“Like the broader Republican Party, the pro-gun movement is now dominated by slash-and-burn extremists who are ideologically extreme, disdainful of compromise, and incapable of critical, long-term thinking. There will come a day, probably sooner rather than later, when events like ‘Guns Save Lives Day’ will no longer be viable fundraisers, when changing demographics will result in an American public that is totally offended and alienated by such antics. Alan Gottlieb and his ilk might be bloody rich by that point, but they will also be decidedly out of business.” – Josh Horwitz, What ‘Guns Saves Lives Day’ Tells Us About the Pro-Gun Movement [at huffingtonpost.com]

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  1. Alienate your opposition by calling them “extremists” then attempt to bring the “non-extremists” to your side. You see this strategy a lot with the left. Government shutdown? Caused by extremists from the tea party.

    Will this strategy backfire on them anytime soon? Or will people keep buying this steamy poo they spew?

    • Indeed. Only an extremist right wing nutbag would think that $17,000,000,000,000.00 is enough debt. Sane, moderate people understand that going further into debt is the only responsible thing to do. It is barbaric to suggest that the ruling class stop buying votes with our grandchildren’s money.

      • Wait, what? 17 trillion in debt is a bad thing?! Obama says its alright, and he sounds so reasonable. At least Obamacare is massively efficient and totally cost effective.

        /sarc

        • Ya, that’s the text on my Obamaphone said, so it’s gotta be true. He even sent it himself. Gotta go use my SNAP EBT at Walmart now to buy smokes and beer cuz it’s working again. BCNU

        • He said raising the debt ceiling doesn’t increase the national debt. That’s gotta be true, right?

  2. JOsh – word of advice. . . . cut some calories and get some more exercise. the third chin is not a good look for a man your age, esp one who is expected to be the face of “sensible gun laws”. m’kay?

  3. No need for the American Public to get offended by my PERSONAL choice to own guns and take responsibility for my own defense. I’m the the one that should be offended when you take (or try to) my 2nd amendment rights away.

  4. I am so sick of “compromise” being touted as a virtue. Compromise always benefits the party in the wrong. If you owe me nothing, and I demand that you owe me $100.00, it is no virtue that I am willing to accept $50.00, and it is no vice that you are unwilling to compromise.

    • This falls in with “Rules are for losers”. Those that want rules have no way to win otherwise. This works in sports, finances, politics, etc. Same goes for compromise. Those that cannot adapt and overcome will eventually fall into obscurity. Nature has no rules, thus the strongest (or luckiest) survives.

      Compassion was evolved to allow communities, and eventually society as a whole, to survive without cannibalizing itself. Playing on compassion can be used to manipulate subsets of a group to make irrational decisions under the guise of “common sense”. An example of adapting the “rules” to do harm to the greater body by a small group seeking to influence the outcome.

    • Yeah, I call shenanigans on this whole “compromise” nonsense.

      It’s always the one wanting to take that’s waving the neutral flag off compromise and reason.

      When someone brings an army to your door step they aren’t looking to compromise, they’re looking to take your some of your sh*t, where I’m from we call that getting strong-armed.

      And, the only way to stop that kind of “compromise” once and for all is a good pop in the mouth, figuratively or literally.

      • “Yeah, I call shenanigans on this whole “compromise” nonsense. ”

        How about this compromise? “… the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed, very much.” That should make them happy? (/sarc)

  5. “ideologically extreme”
    I didn’t realize we were extremists for continuously upholding our Constitutionally protected rights.

    “disdainful of compromise”
    It’s not compromise when our side gets absolutely nothing in return, especially when our rights are being violated. We already “compromised” in 1934, 1968, 1994…… nothing in return for us and statist still aren’t satisfied.

    “incapable of critical, long-term thinking”
    Wrong again, we are very aware of statist incrementalism. We remain vigilant.

    “There will come a day, probably sooner rather than later, when events like “MAIG No More Names Magical Bus Tour” will no longer be viable fundraisers, when their lies, manipulation and overt hatred for freedom will result in an American public that is totally offended and alienated by such antics”
    FIFY

    “Bloomberg and his ilk will be seen for what they really are (traitors) by that point, and they will also be decidedly imprisioned”
    FIFY

    • “I didn’t realize we were extremists for continuously upholding our Constitutionally protected rights.”
      Well, according to the Stasi DHS we’re actually terrorists. But just the white, middle-aged among us, according to the video.

  6. The value of Horwitz’s and Morgan’s criticism of Alan Gottlieb will be demonstrated on December 15, 2013 when we see what kind of turn-out “Guns Save Lives Day” produces. Anyway I am sure all five of Piers Morgan’s viewers were appalled at Gottlieb’s remarks, as were all three of Horwitz’s readers on HuffPo…BFD!

  7. Just keep rocking back and forth in the corner and telling yourself that buddy. Any day now this groundswell of pro gun political action and financial support is just going to dry up, and then, on that glorious day, then you can have your no-gun utopia. Just keep waiting. Feel free to occasionally dribble your nonsense in the meantime.

  8. Interesting to hear what Gotlieb actually said in private. I’m assuming that’s a verbatim quote? He’s right as we are already seeing Bloomberg back a background check initiative in my state and there is every sign they will make the ballot in 2014.

    I think this Newtown protest is terrible PR and in bad taste, just like the Newtown OC protest which pushed Starbucks over the edge.

    And as much as I detest the HufffPo, it’s in the top 15 US sites by traffic, so don’t discount the reach of their message.

  9. One look at the author’s (Josh Horowitz) twitter feed is enough to say who the “extremists” are, and it is CSGV.org, Since 1974!

  10. “…disdainful of compromise…”

    That part got to me. I didn’t even finish reading the quote yet.

    So we are, “disdainful of compromise,” are we? We can take you back through the decades of the number of compromises that we have made on state and federal levels and you still want more compromise. Let’s compromise and take something back then, shall we? How about we trade more stringent background checks that the ATF actually bothers to investigate and prosecute where necessary when they fail and to “compromise” we can legally purchase and build short barreled long guns without any extra paperwork or payment?

    Does that sound like a fair compromise to you? I hope you say yes, that’d be wonderful. If for some odd reason you disagree then… well, how does it feel to be on the other end of the compromise this time?

    Funny how whenever we compromise we just end up losing more of our rights with nothing to show for it. Then you ask us to compromise some more later. Yeah, that tends to make me disdainful of your useless propositions of compromise you come up with one after the other because your gun control legislation does one of two things: nothing, or it has adverse affects. There’s an Einstein quote that ought to be rattled off about insanity and doing the same thing over and over again…

    • + infinity.

      All we have to do is get the word out about what they mean by “common sense” I have explained Massachusetts’ “common sense” to my friends and family in VT and NC, and they look at me like I have three heads. I sometimes think they think I am making it up.

  11. and there you have it. The left and their evil task masters, the Democratic Party, are defining the opposition as “extremists”. I, myself, have been characterized as such. Such words have been routinely used to describe terrorists and other violent groups. If they want to make an enemy out of me, then I am perfectly OK with that. If that makes me an extremist, then so be it.

    • I’ll wait for the predicatable comment from the offended democrat. You know, the one who thinks he can support all the other tyrannical nonsense his party legislates but still keep his RKBA. What a joke. Cue some retard’s outrage in 5,4,3,2….

  12. I’d like to know what compromises the anti-gun people have made over the years…

    And no, failing to achieve your entire agenda is not a “compromise”.

  13. “ideologically extreme, disdainful of compromise”

    Check. No rest until total freedom to keep and bear arms is achieved. Also, your version of compromise involves us incrementally giving up our firearm freedoms while we get absolutely jack shit in return.

    “and incapable of critical, long-term thinking.”

    Negative f*ck stick. Long term thinking is exactly what the RKBA is all about. The idea that th world will melt into a buttery utopia by removing guns from civilian hands demonstrates YOUR complete inability to think of the long-term. Nations are fluid and prone to change and I am not talking about the good kind. They have also claimed a thousand times more lives than civilians have over the course of history.

    So you’ll forgive me if I dismiss you outright as a naive ideologue and a brainless moron. FOAD. I hope you become the unarmed victim of a home invasion.

  14. “ideologically extreme, disdainful of compromise, and incapable of critical, long-term thinking”

    Pretty sure that’s an accurate description of the sitting President.

  15. Compromise? Okay, what is your side putting on the table? Getting to keeping some of our rights for the time being is not an offer. That’s the same “compromise” a mugger offers you when he says “your money or your life”.

    Once we hear a real offer, then we can see. Somehow I don’t think anything will be forthcoming though.

  16. This may be remembered as the turning point when the anti-civil rights, gun grabbing crowd transitioned publicly from Disarmament Deniers into Disarmament Applauders.

  17. They still blame the gun instead of the criminal who uses the the gun.
    “It’s not Hitler’s fault for World War Two,it’s those darn guns that started it all.
    The STUPID anti – gunners who are clueless ‘it’ll never happen to me ” drones and the Mom’s Demand to be Victims IDIOTS and Mayors Support Criminal Defense League are bound and determined to go down the toilet and take you with them.
    These bonehead ignoramuses ar exactly what all the worlds enemies are praying for.Ignorant goodie two shoer’s who don’t believe a gun is a way to refute atrocities ,Look who they have;Feinstein ,Bloomberg,Horowitz ,Piers Morgan,REALLY? Are you kidding me?let these Jerks go unarmed,let them have coffee in gun free zones,let them be victims of crime ,if they are really that stupid and ignorant,Let them,not you think they are protected .Time will tell who is right and who is wrong.One thing is for sure; those who don’t learn from history are bound to repeat it!

  18. I’m interested in their proposals to rid our streets of bad actors.
    I’ll just wait over here while he explains how they plan to address criminals first.

  19. “…disdainful of compromise…”

    2nd amendment advocates have been “compromising quite a bit. We’ve bent over so damn that we are literally sitting on our own heads and then anti-gun people rage at those of us who refuse to go that one step further of inserting our heads to form a moebius strip of stupid that is anti-gun.

    We’ve tolerated stupid knife, sword, gun laws that don’t help. We fill out stupid ineffective forms to try to exercise our Constitutionally protected rights. We’ve sat through watching accounts of multiple gruesome murders shaking our heads at what could be prevented if only they were armed. We’ve even some how managed to refrain using the 2nd amendment for it’s intended purpose, ie giving this corrupt country an enema using the blood of the would be tyrants. We have done all that yet some how we are fanatical, unreasonable, immoral dullards?

    • Well stated, Mr. E.

      Their version of compromise is “we’ll take this now, and you can keep that, but we’ll be back for it later.”

    • Liberals like Josh Horowitz live with their heads up their asses, so much in fact you can smell the sh*t on their nose. But instead of pulling their heads out and washing their face, they’d rather you join them then take some responsibility for themselves and accept reality where people don’t give each other candy and laws such as those we fight are largely ineffective.

  20. Screw Josh Horsesh1t, who heads the organization formerly known as “The National Coalition to Ban Handguns.”

    I guess that the name just didn’t work out.

  21. Unfortunately, he’s half-right. Staging events in the Wrong Locale or on the Stupidest Possible Day is how to neither win frends nor correctly influence [fence-sitting] people.

    Step on her toes once too often, and she’ll walk right off the floor.

  22. I’ve always been kind of curious about the CSGV group. I wonder if they want to stop ALL violence or just “Gun Violence”. I mean would it be OK with them that violence is committed with other implements?
    Like Pipe Bombs and Molotov cocktails? What about good ole ‘ fashion swords and machete’s? Would death by beheadings be OK with them our would they change the name to Mediaeval Violence or CSMV? You know the Mexican Drug gangs us Guns and Machetes. I don’t hear the CSGV protesting the use of machetes, just the Guns. How odd.

  23. Call me an extremest, however, there is no room to maneuver when it comes to the second amendment. “A well regulated militia being necessary to a free state the right of the people to keep and bear arms SHALL NOT be infringed” No room for compromise in those words.

  24. Horwitz slogan: “Secular Jews (so many trust Big Gov….strange) hate guns and love Obummercare”. I think that’s what he said in a nutshell.
    Evil, effing libtard (democrat).

  25. Compromise. If someone I don’t know, is opposed to my way of life and wants to take away my means to self defense comes up to me and says ” My doctor says I need a new kidney, won’t you compromise yourself and donate your other kidney to me?” What do think would be my reaction? Exactly..

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