New from Slide Fire: SFS BFR (Not a Machine Gun)

The mainstream media has its knickers in a collective twist about Slide Fire‘s new product: a rifle specifically designed to maximize its semi-auto-that-thinks-its-a-machine-gun technology with belt-fed fun. The company’s no stranger to hopolophobic hysteria; House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi herself mentioned the Slide Fire stock in her post-Newtown anti-gun agitprop. Luckily that didn’t lead to any action from the ATF, which has given Slide Fire’s system a pass, allowing it to grow like kudzu in a north Georgia rain forest. And so . . .

SFS BFR, baby! Slide Fire sales and marketing manager Brandon Renner claims the SFS BFR will be available this fall for a mere $6,000. “It sprays like a fire hose,” Renner told money.cnn.com. “We recommend no more than 30 rounds on the belt, but one person could make it as big as they want.” (There’s a sexual innuendo there but I’m not touching it. So to speak.)

Meanwhile, I like how CNN says “Machine guns are illegal in the U.S. for most people . . .” implying that you have to be someone very special indeed to be “allowed” to own one. Well it looks like that’s about to change. TTAG’s on the case.

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38 Responses to New from Slide Fire: SFS BFR (Not a Machine Gun)

  1. avatarTexheim says:

    Way to show an AK when talking about an AR. Stupid liberal media

    • avatargloomhound says:

      I know when they put up the AK graphic I lost it.

    • avatarCameron S. says:

      +1

      They always have to f*** up just one simple firearm fact for it to be liberal media.

    • avatarIdahoPete says:

      A media story about firearms is defined as “something with at least one major factual error”.

      They hate guns, they hate gun owners, and they are proud of their ignorance. Funny how they always talk about letting the “experts” control our lives, but they want to pontificate on firearms from a position of total, invincible ignorance.

    • avatarRokurota says:

      I thought an AR-15 is the same as an AK-47. Sincerely, a reporter.

  2. Wonder why the video was just removed?

  3. avatarJim Barrett says:

    one does have to admit that Slide Fire is kind of pushing their luck here. Granted, I agree that this not an automatic weapon and thus is not subject to regulation under the NFA, but as we are learning with ATF’s proposed change to rules requiring finger prints and photos for trust and corporation owners, the ATF has a lot of latitude in the realm of interpretation.

    A belt fed bump stock gun is kind of stupid for a couple of reasons; first of all, its $6K. For that money, you can get into the low end of real machine guns. Reislings and MAC weapons fall at or below this price range including the $200 tax stamp. Sure, there is an 8 month wait for the paperwork, but in the case of the MACs, you are shooting 9mm or .45, which is going to be a lot cheaper per round than .223.

    Very few people are likely to purchase a $6K belt fed bump gun. Maybe at $2K, you have a shot, but not at $6K. What is much more likely to happen is that this becomes the poster child for “unregulated gun excess” and ultimately the ATF clamps down on the whole bumpfire stock thing and rules them all illegal.

    The ATF can certainly change their position whenever they want – just look up Atchison Accelerator for one such example. I know that Slide Fire wants to expand their market share, but this approach is a dangerous one as it just might end up shutting the whole thing down.

    • avatarRokurota says:

      If bump firing becomes legally equivalent to full auto, then so is really fast shooting because that’s all it is. Jerry Miculek and Max Michel will have to get Class III stamps.

    • avatarAdam says:

      *Akins Accelerator*

      Although I see a slight difference in how that one operated since it was a mechanical (The use of a spring making it so, according to the BATFE) device that altered the way the gun operated.

      Still I have a feeling that bump fire stocks and trigger cranks and the like will get banned at some point by some bureaucrat at the ATF. If they can find a way to ban it, tax it , or regulate it, they will.

  4. avatarJeh says:

    Great now when people see footage of the Taliban using an AK they’ll think its an AR. Nice mess-up Liberal morons.

  5. avatarJim R says:

    Dear Santa…

  6. Why are they showing an ak when discussing ar15 parts… Oh,that’s right. They have no idea what the hell they’re talking about

  7. avatarRoll says:

    Uneducated liberal media strikes again!

  8. avatarMike says:

    Military Arms Channel SHOT Show Video of it:

  9. avatarRokurota says:

    To speak to the obvious question — how easy is it to use one of these? Can you train yourself to shoot it and acquire targets as naturally as a select fire gun? Seems like it’s only suited for giggles on the range. I can’t imagine it would be easy to walk into a school/movie theater/coffee shop and spray the room with a Slide Fire. Which is undoubtedly the concern here.

    Anyone who’s shot a Slide Fire-equipped “AK-47″ (i.e., any rifle) wanna chime in?

    • avatarSteve Truffer says:

      It takes some practice. All firearms have a Cyclic Rate, the mechanical limit for how fast the action can cycle. If one does not push hard enough, they will not overcome the draw weight of the trigger. Too hard and you get “hammer follow”- the trigger is pulled, but the hammer is blocked by the bolt carrier and jams. You also have to make sure that you do not bind the rifle in the hollow tube of the stock. Some get lucky and get it right on the first try. AR rifles cycle between 700-900 rpm (.09 – .075 seconds to rechamber), AK’s 600-750(.10-.085 seconds to rechamber). Note that soldiers rarely exceed 3 magazines in an entire firefight on full auto due to heat issues. And please don’t call any rifle you see an AK-47, its like calling all states in the US Georgia.

  10. avatarensitue says:

    The 1st time I fired a slide fire AR I actually melted the plastic hand guard. It happened so fast that it was only the aroma of styrene smoke that alerted me!
    As to this product: It is a perfect example of entrepunerial capitalism
    SF did the R&D, paid out the cash and took the risk that ATF would bite THEM in the ash. If you can find a BF non-MG for less than 6K buy it!

  11. avatarCHOtto says:

    Long time reader, first time posting. I have a slide fire stock that i bought for my ak74. Tons of fun, but there is a learning curve to get it right. I blew though about 1k rounds worth of ammo and decided that I needed to take it off because I was burning though so much. And this was right before the craze of SH. Still have it, might put it back on if I get another couple cases of ammo. It’s a novelty IMHO. Fun novelty though

  12. avatarlouringe says:

    I have sold bump fire stocks that were aluminum and fit 7 different rifles. Slide Fire have been trying to peddle these since 2010 and they were 6500. then. And where do one find belted 223?

  13. avatarHidden Hills says:

    Yep. The original article link works, and the producers are still pinheads. If you are going to claim authority on a subject, at least have the credibility of ensuring your graphics match the topic.

    And, I now think I need a Slidefire. Simply just because it annoys the media goobers. Thanks for convincing me, CNN. Well done! Very effective reporting!

  14. avatarQuacky.357 says:

    I’m assuming the graphics guy just googled “assault weapon” and picked the AK at random or he might have googled “ultra baby death ray” or “vial death spewing Satan stick”

  15. avatarChris Dumm says:

    Now can they make one for my buddy’s M1919 .30 cal belt-fed semi-auto? And then upsize it to fit the semi-auto M2HB?

    • avatargreat unknown says:

      I’m waiting for the .50 BMG Barrett version; then I can pretend to be Jerry Miculek – until I have to have my shoulder replaced.

  16. avatarRalph says:

    I hope they make a Water Slide Fire for the Supersoaker. That would be fun, and if you don’t fill the water machine gun with Vichy Water, it would be much cheaper than shooting this belt fed monstrosity.

  17. avatarPeterC says:

    I have a Maadi AK fitted with a SlideFire stock. More fun than a barrel of Irishmen, but only the first shot will hit original point of aim. It helps to have a 5-gallon pail of water handy to dunk the barrel in after a long burst, otherwise the forestock tends to smoke. Sure causes a commotion on the firing line! SlideFire, God bless ‘em, does provide a certificate to carry with the gun, to assure nervous LEOs that this is indeed not a “firearm.”

  18. avatarAnmut says:

    SLIDEFIRE – MAKE US AN SKS STOCK FOR F*CKS SAKE! Then you’d only have $600 invested in a toy instead of $1000!*

    *Pre-SH Prices…

  19. avatarMark N. says:

    Another toy banned in California. On the up side, however, the bill to ban previously grandfathered mags of greater than 10 rounds capacity failed (at least for this legislative session), so if you’ve got ‘em you can keep ‘em.

    • avatarlouringe says:

      The last I heard was the CA. DOJ had no written or vocal policy on a bump fire stock. In fact I was contacted by a law firm about a case pending. As having come from CA and my back round I wrote an
      opinion for the law firm.

  20. avatarAlphaGeek says:

    The mag bill failed? How did I miss this? Yayyyyyy!

    In related news, there may not be enough votes to pass SB374:

    https://mobile.twitter.com/CalFFL/status/378298889779953664

    If you live in CA, contact your state senator right fscking NOW to oppose SB374!

  21. avatared says:

    Machine guns are perfectly legal in the U.S. (at least in the free states), you just have to pay for the tax stamp. And pay artificially inflated prices due to the 1986 ban on new production for the civilian market. Heck, enough paperwork, you can become an SOT and build you own, legally.

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