Quote of the Day: The First Intelligent Thing She’s Said Yet

Shannon Watts courtesy msnbc.com

“I think there is huge value in calling a vote for this in 2014 before the midterm election so that everyone is on record with a yes or no vote on gun reform before Americans go to the polls. It is brilliant and it will remind people who is not for background checks, while this common sense legislation has the support of 90% of Americans.” – Moms Demand Action founder Shannon Watts in With Congress stalled, gun safety advocates look to 2014 [at msnbc.com]

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  1. avatar Ron Kelley says:

    I wish 9 out of 10 people had common sense.

    1. avatar Nine says:

      I wish 3 out of 10 had it…

      1. avatar FatKid says:

        Common sense is a falsehood. If it were common, more people would use it.

        1. avatar Mistereveready says:

          Not quite. Some people know right from wrong, they just don’t give a damn.

        2. avatar William Burke says:

          If crime didn’t pay, there wouldn’t be nearly as much of it.

    2. avatar Chaotic Good says:

      Take heart, that poll was crap and other polls say 62% of Americans want the Senate to abandon their gun-control push.
      http://www.usnews.com/news/newsgram/articles/2013/05/29/gun-control-poll-62-percent-want-senate-to-move-on

    3. avatar Chip says:

      Five out of three people agree with you.

    4. avatar Shwiggie says:

      That she said anything approaching intelligence means there’s hope for every ape in the Congo.

      Even if the 90% figure was true, which is unequivocally is not, the whole point of the first ten amendments of the Constitution was to enshrine certain rights so that they couldn’t be removed by a majority. Then again, it’s not as if anybody in Washington DC gives a hoot about that old thing anymore even though its designed to help all of us. So much for common sense.

      1. avatar William Burke says:

        “Even if the 90% figure was true, which is unequivocally is not, the whole point of the first ten amendments of the Constitution was to enshrine certain rights so that they couldn’t be removed by a democracy.”

        There. Fixed that one for you.

        1. avatar S.Nolan says:

          But… we live in a republic….

  2. avatar (Formerly) MN Matt says:

    Ha! And in the meantime just about every Democrat (and probably more than a few Republicans) are cringing and saying, “Wave off, abort, wave off!” They’d rather destroy the country in some other, more subtle way, that the People won’t catch on to so quickly.

    1. avatar William Burke says:

      +1000 for the insight that the destruction itself is the goal, and not the means.

  3. avatar Ross says:

    I will be swearing in as a US Citizen in the next two weeks and will be going to the polls in 2014 to vote against one of my US Senators for this reason (they voted for it)

    1. avatar Denny says:

      Congratulations Ross Best wishes and good luck.

    2. avatar Pascal says:

      Congratulations! Thank you for voting!

    3. avatar Matt in FL says:

      Good for you, Ross.

    4. avatar Davis Thompson says:

      Thanks and welcome. We need more like you!

      1. avatar MiketheHopsFarmer says:

        Congrats on surviving the process and welcome. Thank you for doing it the right way. Now time to protect your new rights!

    5. avatar Tom in Oregon says:

      Congratulations Ross!
      May all your hopes and dreams be realized.

    6. avatar Zack says:

      Congratulations, we need more people like you.

      1. avatar Ross says:

        Thanks guys, 14 years and approx. 20K is all it took :)…………… now just how many Glock 19’s could I have gotten for that………..

        1. avatar CarlosT says:

          Yeah, the process isn’t easy, is it? I wonder if natural born citizens would be as casual with the Constitution if they had to go as much effort to fully enjoy all of its benefits.

        2. avatar Jan says:

          About 20 Glock 19s if you get them used from the forums or gun broker.

          Welcome to citizenship. I did the same a few years ago. Although it wasn’t until after I got my citizenship that I found out you can purchase firearms legally as a legal immigrant.

    7. avatar CA.Ben says:

      Congratulations Ross! Political participation is the cornerstone of this country.

    8. avatar William Burke says:

      Welcome, fellow citizen! The path is rough and the task is a difficult one. Glad to have you aboard!

    9. avatar JoshtheViking says:

      I’ve been reading TTAG for a while, and I finally had to comment. I consider Ross and others like him to be far more American than those that were born here but don’t appreciate their rights. Congratulations fellow countryman, and thank you for joining the fight.

  4. avatar Brandon says:

    I find myself in agreement with her for once, and thinking that the Headline has one too many letters in it.

  5. avatar sota says:

    she looks scary. anti-MILF.

    1. avatar Spunkmeister says:

      Looks like someone shoved a lemon up her rear end.

    2. avatar William Burke says:

      She looks stoned and nasty. Bet you can smell her perfume before she gets to the door.

  6. avatar Narcoossee says:

    “They First Intelligent Thing” ? Perhaps “The First Intelligent Thing”?

  7. avatar Bill says:

    Notice how the liberal media is now calling gun control gun safety?

    1. avatar Jeff says:

      They are slowly inching towards simply referring to gun control as “crime prevention.”

      1. avatar In Memphis says:

        If they do that, call it crime control, then even the dumbest voter should start to care when they notice crime is still present.

      2. avatar Herman Johnson says:

        If we are not careful, they are going to do to guns what they did to Smoking. It started out that there would be smoking and non smoking areas in Restaurants. It spread like a cancer after that. You can see what happened. There is a Hospital, I think in El Paso, Tx., that if you smoke, you can not work there. I mean if you only smoke at home, you can’t work there. I believe that there are some Condo’s or Apartment Building that ban smoking. It will not stop there. Pardon my French, but give these Bastards an inch an they will take a mile. If they can’t pass a law to disarm us, the are going to make it pure hell to have one.

        1. avatar Rich Grise says:

          I’ve seen the documents that show that antismokerism is nothing but an insidious religious cult. Every single one of the “statistics” that the antis “cited” was a total fabrication. The EPA violated their own rules and used a 10% standard deviation rather than the statutory 5%, just so they could catch enough outliers to claim a correlation. And the list goes on. The Church of Warmingism adopted their tactics; the root of the tactic, of course, is the Big Lie.

          And the grabbers are doing exactly the same thing.

          Sometimes I feel like I’m seeing “1984,” “Animal Farm,” and “The Marching Morons” being acted out simultaneously.

    2. avatar Xbonesrider says:

      Yup, I noticed the word games this time around. Likely a DNC/Team Hussein talking points memo. Also notice how they use the words “common sense” and “reforms”. Conspicuously absent from the debate are Schakowski and Feinstein. Must have stuffed them back in the commie closet. Now they trot our “machine gun” Mark Kelly and Gabby Giffords as their new sock puppets for gun control.

  8. avatar Mediocrates says:

    Yes. I would like to get on record again those elected officials that are anti Constitution.

    1. avatar William Burke says:

      What are you waiting for?

  9. avatar scottlac says:

    She only wants them on record because she is deluded enough to believe her own propaganda.

    1. avatar Pascal says:

      You are correct, but who cares. Bring it, we saw how well it worked against them. Bring-it-on, let us all remind the people.

  10. avatar Herman Johnson says:

    I would like to see all of them vote on gun control. That way I could check to see who I would vote for. If they voted for more gun control, I would not vote for them. This would save me from having to dig up their voting record, to see how they voted.

    1. avatar William Burke says:

      If you can’t look up the voting records of two senators and a congressman, what are you doing tomorrow?

  11. avatar D says:

    The transition from “40% of all gun sales are without background check” to “90% of all Americans want bg check” is now complete in it’s entirety. This will be their mantra for the next couple decades.

    Shanon Watts – go sell lemonades please.

  12. avatar S.CROCK says:

    i wonder if they believe the lies they speak.

    1. avatar Pascal says:

      Some like this women, truly do.

    2. avatar Kelly in GA says:

      Yes, they do. At least the low level tools like this woman do. Maybe not Shotgun Joe, but this chick does.

  13. avatar dwb says:

    The Corpse Bride.

    But not because she looks like the character in the Tim Burton movie, although she does a little.

    1. avatar Evan says:

      Yeah but the corpse bride was actually a good person.

      1. avatar dwb says:

        your right, its an insult to that character. Her evil twin maybe.

  14. avatar Jim Barrett says:

    90% of Americans…blah blah blah. The same tired refrain. Of course this is coming from the woman who can’t tell the difference between a few thousand people and a million, hence the name change of her oganization when 90% of her expected “marchers” failed to show up.

    1. avatar dwb says:

      95% of Americans think they have the right to own a gun for self defense. Poll that.

  15. “Common sense” is interesting … Usually what common sense means is what the is first solution or set of a solutions someone can think of right off the cuff without thinking about it further in order to solve a problem.

    In everyday life it means clearly logical solutions (i.e. If something is wrong it’s better to fix it sooner rather than later or else the problem will get worse).

    Yet in this case, in terms of imposing civilian firearms restrictions (aka “gun control”), the set of solutions proposed are off the cuff solutions that clearly have not been thought out in detail. Ergo, they haven’t thought about the long term ramifications of what such legislation may do.

    In this case “common sense” won’t work. Because common sense has a good reputation and the
    way most of us think and feel about the word “common sense” it is actually a sort of “hypnotic word” (I have a background in hypnosis for the record) that when we hear it is meant to disengage our logical
    minds, and is also meant to make it difficult for us to argue against an argument, and heck … who can
    argue against “common sense”?

    For this reason politicians are using this term as a rhetorical device. In this instance it becomes a “trance” word … who can argue against “common sense”?

    However, while common sense may work for every day life, if we looked in detail at the pro civilian disarmamentarianists camp’s solutions and again, thought about the long term implications, we’ll quickly see it’s not common sense to make it difficult or impossible for law abiding citizens to expediently exercise their God-given right to self defense as affirmed by the 2nd Amendment, thus
    slowly guaranteeing a monopoly on arms to criminals and government (military and police) alike.

    Perhaps Shannon Watts should educate herself in depth about what happens when gun control is implemented, after all, being the founder of Mom’s Demand Action, it would make sense, “common sense” if you will. It would be common sense for her to really investigate and explore her own “common sense” solutions.

    Perhaps it would be “common sense” for her to scrutinize the methodology of her “logic”.

    1. avatar Pascal says:

      So, per your argument, what is the best way to argue with someone who declares that something is “common sense” A phrase BTW I would love to ban since it is so abused.

      1. Common sense is a dangerous word. It presumes people will buy-in to an idea, as in “we should all know that.”

        How to combat “common sense”?

        Here’s some ideas.
        Something to the effect of:

        “How do you define common sense in this instance?”
        Talk about logic.
        “You’re assuming that because something is common sense it has to work. What if something is seems to be common sense and doesn’t work?”
        “How do you know the solution is common sense.”

        I would argue it is better to win arguments on facts and logic. Many rhetoricians persuade through process, tactics, techniques, and emotions and not through facts.

        It’s terrible to lose an argument because someone used tactics and process and not logic and facts.

        Expose the weakness of the methodology that they use to win arguments (Look at the examples stated above).

        (I.e. If someone
        uses an ad hominem attack remind them that your debating
        an issue and not you, yourself. Remind them that your weighting
        the merits of each argument. A judgment of you should have no
        bearing on the truth of the facts pertaining to your position)

        I was fortunate enough to have a wonderful tutor as a youngster who, although she was a staunch democrat, taught me how to think clearly and look past tactics in arguments.

        For a more comprehensive set of ideas that you can use, and I think this should be required reading for all freedom lovers, check out the following:

        “Thinking Straighter” by George Henry Moulds
        The Propaganda Game (Distributed by WFF’N Proof) which is based on Mr. Moulds’s book.

  16. avatar Jay in Florida says:

    Common sense means we should ignore this.
    Since 89% of the 90% claimed are uninformed voters.
    Lets put it to a vote again before the elections.
    This way “We” would know who to vote out of office.
    Now that would make for more “Common Sense”..

  17. avatar Frodo says:

    She likes like the hooker version of Zira from “Planet of the Apes.”

    1. avatar BillF says:

      It’s the manufactured face–apparently they didn’t break the mold. Gotta love the Fiendstein pearls.

  18. avatar Dirk Diggler says:

    I would hit it. Dirty Sanchez style

    1. avatar Tom in Oregon says:

      Hahahahahahaha
      I was waiting for something from you Dirk!

  19. avatar Chris from Iowa says:

    When did it switch to being “gun reform”? Is it already time to try a new label?

    1. Glad you mention this.

      This is from the Dem’s playbook
      “Preventing Gun Violence Through Effective Messaging”

      The link to this playbook is here:
      http://share.marylandshallissue.org/gunviolencemessaging.pdf

      Unsurprisingly, they talk a lot about winning arguments by appealing to emotions … a tactic found
      in “Thinking Straighter” and in the Propaganda Game.

      I think appealing to emotions is a cheap shot in most instances. It’s better to exhibit principle
      and talk about facts, logic, and well principles.

      These folks want to disarm us and reduce the level of choices we pertaining
      to self-defense rights more difficult. Fascinating.

      You want to counter some of their arguments? Ask them to go in depth about the mechanics by which the laws will work and ask them to provide examples of the arguments they make.

      People will often not be able to provide specific examples about what they’re talking about. Asking them to explain the mechanics of how a certain situation arises will often leave them dumbfounded.

      I’m all for intelligent debate backed by facts but it amazes me how many people have drank someone else’s Kool-Aid and never scrutinized the philosophy they’re buying into hook, line and sinker, let alone
      never examined in detail the methodology they use to think things through and come to conclusions.

      Often you’ll see they’re not logical either. Sadly, it seems to me as if that’s a lot of people.

      I can’t plug “Thinking Straighter” and The Propaganda Game enough.

      1. avatar Matt in FL says:

        “Ask them to go in depth about the mechanics by which the laws will work and ask them to provide examples of the arguments they make.”

        I’ve often done exactly this in the past. I’ve asked them to tell me how exactly the law or laws they’re stumping for would have prevented Newtown/Aurora/Phoenix/Insert Example Here. The most common responses I receive are deafening silence, followed closely by goalpost moving and/or conversation focus changing.

  20. avatar jwm says:

    Yes, go on record right before the elections. Never thought I’d agree with a grabber about anything.

  21. avatar DisThunder says:

    Hell’s yah, Moms-who-scream-do-something! Let’s get it on!

    Actually screw the voting, let’s just brawl! I really wanna spar with Bloomers, since I’ve always wanted to headbutt a mini-senior citizen millionaire, but I am absolutely not above putting my boot up some wanna-be milf’s narrow ass,
    90% of Americans want Whoop-Ass! Fight! Fight! Fight! Fight!

  22. avatar Davis Thompson says:

    There are no solutions, only trade-offs.
    – Thomas Sowell.

    As for 90%, that number is an utter fiction as it didn’t poll the specifics of the Manchin-Toomey background check proposal, but only polled the faerie and unicorn concept of “every gun sale has a background check.” One you mention these checks will cost money, that folks in rural areas may have to drive long distances to get background checks, that two neighbors now can’t sell shotguns to each other, that it creates a paper trail which could be used for future gun registration, support dies off pretty quickly.

    As for the public clamoring for gun control? More polling shows that gun control is way down on the list of people’s concerns. In fact, I believe that well over 60% of those polled don’t want congress to revisit gun control.

  23. avatar John Fritz says:

    I don’t think she said what she thinks she said. 🙂

  24. avatar Jay in Florida says:

    My bad no 89%
    I was close though as close as she was anyway
    Newest polling.
    http://gunssavelives.net/blog/support-for-more-gun-control-laws-at-lowest-point-since-newtown-shooting/

  25. avatar Bob7 says:

    As long as the Democrats have their minions in government, we are not safe. It does not matter to me what voting record they have on any particular issue, I will vote against them until my last breath. If they were true patriots who believe in the Constitution, they would have changed parties years ago when their party started an overt pattern of defying the Constitution.

    1. avatar S_J says:

      Outside of third parties there is no pro-Constitution party in this country to switch to, don’t delude yourself. The “mainstream” GOP has just as much contempt for our rights as the Dems do. The Bill of Rights is more than just the 2A.

  26. avatar Jus Bill says:

    We here in the Formerly Free State already know the result. All of our congresscritters swim in the Kool Aid. And Maryland hangs her head in shame…

    1. avatar Matt in FL says:

      That’s pretty awesome. Thanks for the link.

    2. avatar CA.Ben says:

      That is awesome! It deserves its own TTAG post.

    3. avatar Rich Grise says:

      What a load of crap. Not one single word about the fact that the shootings took place in zones that were already “gun-free;” it’s just another ho-hum character assassination piece.

      1. avatar Matt in FL says:

        I don’t understand your point. The point of that article was not really about gun-free zones, it was about these “moms” being not who they purport to be.

  27. avatar Ralph says:

    Shannon Who should be honest and rename her group “Moms Demand Money.”

  28. avatar Russ Bixby says:

    Y’know, I would be in favor of more background check legislation – so long as it would eliminate the existing system and replace it with something that actually works, maintains privacy, is simple to use and without cost to the user.

    ‘Course, while such a system is entirely within our means, it’ll never happen as that’s not the aim of the “best government money can buy” — but I’d like to see it.

    See y’all at the barricades…

  29. avatar Jeh says:

    Eew their letting it speak on TV…
    That proposal supported by “90% of Americans” seems to have missed everywhere that isn’t NYC because nobody outside of NYC would be dumb enough to think its a good idea.

    1. avatar Russ Bixby says:

      Weelll…. I’ve seen a “map” of the U.S. in a pizza joint which illustrated the notion — through foreshortening — that N.Y.C. is most of the U.S.

  30. avatar TheThingThatGoesUp says:

    We already have background checks.

    We’ve had background checks for 20 years.

    You can argue whether or not felons should be able to buy guns because it is a Constitutional right. And while that is not without validity, at this point in time it’s considered an extreme view.

    So, if you ask most people, they support background checks. That there is some screening process to keep criminals from buying guns from the store doesn’t bother them. Probably because it wouldn’t stop them if they ever wanted to buy a gun.

    But that does not mean 90%, or even a majority of Americans, support anything like her “common sense legislation”.

  31. avatar TX says:

    That’s a bad screen cap up top. Here’s one that shows she can make a mean sandwich. (Two, actually, served with a glass of cabernet located at back right.)
    http://www.currentzionsville.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/CIZCoverWatts.jpg

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