Despite the Associated Press’ single-sentence article on the issue, President Obama’s remarks on the “stand your ground” law debate brewing in the country were along the lines most of us would have expected. It looks as if in Obama’s opinion, Florida’s SYG law enticed Zimmerman into following and then shooting Trayvon Martin and are, therefore, the root cause of the teen’s death. His remarks, according to AOL.com . . .

Obama proposed an examination of state and local laws to see if “they may encourage” altercations like in the Zimmerman case “rather than defuse” potential altercations.

“Is that really going to be contributing to the kind of peace, and order, and security that we’d like to see?” Obama said.

“If Trayvon Martin was of age and armed, could he have stood his ground on that sidewalk?

So sayeth President Obama, despite the fact that, according to The Daily Caller, African Americans have disproportionately benefited from those same laws. And remember: the George Zimmerman trial did not include any reference to the “stand your ground” laws.

Jumping off from the CinC’s remarks, the Senate Judiciary Committee will be looking into the “stand your ground” laws come this fall. Since these laws are enacted on a state level, it’s unclear whether the Senate can do anything to change those individual laws, but nevertheless they seem to want to “do something.”

133 Responses to Obama Wades Into “Stand Your Ground” Law Debate

    • You cannot recall Senators (or House Members, or the President, or the Vice President). There is no provision for States recalling Federal legislators.

      • The Constitution of the US does not provide a way to recall representatives of independent states. That is beyond the power of the fed to control, exavtly the same way states choose how they individually choose representatives. Itwld be iin the constitution of each state if theycchoose to establish a way

        • No, but the Declaration of Independence does:
          “We hold these truths to be self-evident… That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it…”

      • If we went back to the old way to elect senators, states could yank them out of office for sucking at life and failing to uphold the constitution.

      • Sure you can. It’s called impeachment. But they don’t get impeached for minor things like lying the country into a war, violating people’s basic rights, or subverting the rule of law. It has to be something huge, like lying under oath in a civil trial completely unrelated to the office.

        • Easy Jason, you will likely get the chance to vote for another Clinton. But you can probably get your Hillary 2016 t-shirt right now!!!

    • He has a job to do, and it has nothing to do with you or me. He doesn’t work for us. He works for the Offshore Criminal Banking Cartel (OCBC).

      But can you dig it? DER PEACE. DER ORDER. DER SECURITY!!!

    • Keep wishing, this is what happens when the morons elect a radical leftist Marxist community agitator with no background in anything but academia in all its subversive anti American glory.

    • Well then, it would help if the public had elected someone who intended on being president instead of a community organizer.

      But that’s not what happened.

      • I never voted for him, and will never vote for anyone like him, but y’all probably already knew that. Our nation deserves better, and it’s a shame we didn’t vote that way.

  1. “If Trayvon Martin was of age and armed, could he have stood his ground on that sidewalk?”

    No, he would have initiated the conflict and lost all protection of the Stand Your Ground law.

    • I’m shocked that he wasn’t armed. he had a S&W sigma. well if you count having one of those as being armed.

      • Ever had a dream where you need your gun yet no matter how hard or far you pull the trigger it never breaks?

        That’s the Sigma.

        • Amongst my other guns I have a Sigma as does my son. Never jams and always goes bang when needed. I will freely admit that it’s about as bland a gun as I’ve ever owned. It has exactly zero personality. But it works and for half the price of a Glock.

          If I have to lose a gun to a police evidence locker I hope this is the one and not one of my revolvers.

    • He would have also long ago lost his qualification to be armed with his drug troubles and thievery. Obama forgot to mention a thug’s life disqualifies one from legal gun ownership. But as we know, he is Trayvon too by his own admission today.

    • Because Trayvon was not of age and not armed, he simply had to double back, initiate a challenge with George (as Jeantel told it, “Why you following me?” to which George replied “what are you doing here?”) punch him in the nose, beat him down, hold him down so George couldn’t withdraw, continue to hold him down and beat on him even after witness J. Good yelled “stop it. I’m calling the police.” That’s a set of events Obama thinks reflects badly on SYG? Obviously what it reflects badly upon is the practice of sending a teenager in trouble for drugs, fighting, and possessing stolen goods… from urban Miami to live for a few weeks with the father who abandoned him long ago. Obama’s just trying to continue the obfuscation, and it is shameful. And he knows what he’s doing.

  2. “If Trayvon Martin was of age and armed, could he have stood his ground on that sidewalk?”

    so he’s arguing that we should repeal the age limit of 21 to purchase and carry handguns? I’m for that.

    • i think it should be lowered to 20 years of age. its a nice round number, and it doesn’t make sense letting people drink and get arms at the same time.

      • Or, you know, abolish the age limit. You don’t have to be 18 to exercise your free speech on the internet (even if sometimes we regret that).

        Age limits can and will be used against us. Look at California right now. Our braindead senate is trying to brand the Ruger 10/22 and similar rifles as assault weapons. Incidentally, you must be 18 to register an assault weapon in your name, and trying to ban you from passing assault weapons down after death. A single generation confiscation, in essence.

        For so many young people, a semi automatic .22 rifle is their first gun. It was mine. Our shameless senators are in the process of abusing “age limits” to keep young people from participating in the shooting sports. And that disgusts me.

      • Nah – make it 18. If you can vote at 18, then you should be able to legally own all guns. Election results have arguably caused more deaths than legally owned guns.

      • How about 35? Or 50? I know a heckuva lot more now, being over both of those ages, than I did at 21.

        If you aren’t Liberal at the age of 21, you’re weird; If you’re not Conservative at the age of 50, you’re just insane.

        • Or how about only net tax payers can vote? Y’know, those who have skin in the game?

        • Hopefully I don’t reverse that trend and become more “progressive” as I get older. I would like to think I’ll be more like Ron Paul when I’m an old man.

        • +1 John, liberalism isn’t so much a school of political thought as it is a form of mental illness. Fortunately it’s like bedwetting, most people outgrow it.

  3. Nobody seems to want to say this but the root cause of this was a youngster deciding to deal with a perceived insult (being observed by a stranger of another race) by physically assaulting that person. Is Obama saying he, as a youth, would have punched the lights out of a guy he didn’t like the looks of? Because that is the action that set things in motion.

    • Didn’t you read the report on the incident Obama received? Zimmerman was peeling out in his car all around Martin’s neighborhood, yelling racial slurs and shouting which houses he was going to burglarize or burn down next. Then he saw young Martin walking to his grandmother’s house to bring her her favorite candy and drink as she was very ill and could not leave the house. Zimmerman attempted a drive-by but missed, got out of his car to pistol whip the youngster because he is a terrible shot, even with high-capacity magazines, while shouting more racial slurs and Martin bested him in martial combat, despite being much smaller and scared. Then as Martin was backing away to call the police Zimmerman shot him. Also Zimmerman is secretly white and very racist. /s

      They’re trying to grab at anything that will further their cause an inch. It’s quite obvious what they are doing with this, tying in stand-your-ground laws will sway the low-info voters and make their minds up for them with a catchy tag line. “You like stand-your-ground laws? You must be a cold-blooded, racist murderer that the corrupt justice system protects just like Zimmerman”. That’s their spin, if you agree with beneficial self-defense laws you are a murderer looking to exploit the justice system.

      • Fred I think you just about nailed it because as you know, “Trayvon was hunted down like a rabid dog!”

      • Yeah, this. They got geared up due to their own misconceptions about this case, and now they are invested. I don’t know if they were planning something and waiting for the right case, or just thought this was a great opportunity when it came along. Either way, the stupid bastards have placed their bet on the wrong horse again.

        • They throw everything at the wall and hope something sticks. There are multiple posters going around now on social media sites showing numerous cases that were identical to this except for the races involved and their orientation. Black man defends against white teen aggressor: no news. Black man defends against Hispanic aggressor: no news. Same race for aggressor and defender: no news.

          Personally I know it’s more damaging for one “race” to fight itself because it segments the group, but there’s nothing Sharpton or anyone else can do because there is no money to be had. As soon as it’s anyone not black vs someone black there is an uproar…and lawsuits.

      • You neglect the unreported fact that Zimmerman, being a closet NaziKlanAryanZetaMilitiaman (that last name is a clue), was planting burning crosses on Mr. Martin’s grandmother’s lawn and, when Mr. Martin tried to douse the Flames of Racism with some Arizona Watermelon Iced Tea, the cur Zimmerman smote him severely from behind with a Confederate Battle Flag–at which Mr. Martin then engaged him in manly fisticuffs and was getting the ‘upper hand’, as it were, of the villain when the cur Zimmerman drew a concealed fully-automatic Assault Weapon from beneath his Klan robes and let loose a fully-automatic spray of bullets from its 30-round clip from the hip, for which such weapons of war are designed (because of the barrel shroud and the thing in the back of the stock that goes up), and one evil armor-piercing expanding cop-killing dumdum bullet transfix’d Mr. Martin’s manly bosom, laying him on the cold and unforgiving greensward a corpse.

        Fact.

  4. I guess since the latest attack on the 2nd amendment failed, let’s lean on the 10th a little. Florida has already done a SYG review, and the only significant suggestion to come out was to loosen the laws to allow defensive brandishing.

  5. The ONE question that has not been asked by anybody in media, since GZim shot little Skittles what has the crime been like in that subdivision? Bet its plummeted to non existence.

  6. Two points:
    1) “… to see if “they may encourage” altercations like in the Zimmerman case “rather than defuse” potential altercations.”

    Stand your grounds laws are not intended to diffuse a situation. They are intended to bolster the Right to self defense by removing the gray-area or requirements to flee.

    2) “If Trayvon Martin was of age and armed, could he have stood his ground on that sidewalk?”

    NO, not if he was attacking someone who had not threatened him, and YES, if Zimmerman had jump out of the bushes and sat on him while pummeling his face.

    • Obama’s comments echo what two commentators said on Fox News this morning: that Trayvon Martin had “the right to stand *his* ground” and that it doesn’t matter “who threw the first punch.”

      Actually, it does matter. If you attack someone who is merely following you, that’s not defense; it’s offense.

      It’s pathetic that our own president either doesn’t know that or is deliberately spreading false impressions to further his political agenda.

      • “It’s pathetic that our own president either doesn’t know that or is deliberately spreading false impressions to further his political agenda.”

        Yes. My jaw is on the floor, too.

        Political animal that he is, I don’t really mind that he’s such a lying sack. What burns me, is the complicity of the media in promoting his lies, obfuscation and gross mischaracterizations as truth.

  7. Again the man should just STFU already and act like a President.
    Not some one using the office to express his own personal ifins

  8. low information voters don’t understand what Stand Your Ground does or says. They truly believe Stand Your Ground means shoot first, ask questions later. The fact that the president is toeing this line only bolsters their belief. They have no inclination to be informed or to do their own research and investigation. They read a headline that they should be mad as hell, so by God, they’re going to be mad as hell and to hell with the truth.

    That is the ultimate problem we as a nation face. the ever growing number of low information voters….

    “WAR IS PEACE,” “FREEDOM IS SLAVERY,” “IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH.”

    • Many of said voters have reading comprehension of a 4th grader if that. These thugs like Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, Ben Crump, Allan Williams know this. Then fools like Bill Crosby have dementia going on and don’t know what the heck he is talking about.

    • Wait a second. While I initially agreed, think about who’d be in charge. Double barrel Joe. Not down with that. Maybe Clinton could step in for awhile? (Totally kidding on that last part)

    • Except that would probably cost us 2.5 times our annual GDP…he’s not one to skimp on luxuries…

  9. We are awake and we are not pleased. Anything they do just keeps us focused on 2014. Try to take our guns, try to take our right to self defense, actually take our privacy and right to not be harassed by the IRS for our political beliefs. If this doesn’t wake up America nothing will.

    • Be prepared for the ‘then’ in your if-then statement.

      I find that most Americans find that it’s far easier to ignore the encroachments on personal freedoms than to actually bother to show up and exercise your right to protect them.

  10. Mr. Obama In the aftermath of the acquittal of George Zimmerman, Eric Holder, Al Sharpton and Ben Jealous of the NAACP are calling on the black community to rise up in national protest.

    “Stand-Your-Ground” laws in Florida and other states are not going to be repealed. George Zimmerman is not going to be prosecuted for a federal “hate crime” in the death of Trayvon Martin.

    The result of all this ginned-up rage that has produced vandalism and violence is simply going to be an ever-deepening racial divide.

    Consider the matter of crime and fear of crime.

    From listening to cable channels and hearing Holder, Sharpton, Jealous and others, one would think the great threat to black children today emanates from white vigilantes and white cops or law abiding gun owner.

    Hence, every black father must have a “conversation” with his son, warning him not to resist or run if pulled over or hassled by a cop.

    Make the wrong move, son, and you may be dead is the implication.

    But is this the reality in Black America?

    In New York from January to June 2008, 83 percent of all gun assailants were black, according to witnesses and victims, though blacks were only 24 percent of the population. Blacks and Hispanics together accounted for 98 percent of all gun assailants. Forty-nine of every 50 muggings and murders in the Big Apple were the work of black or Hispanic criminals.

    New York Police Commissioner Ray Kelly confirms Mac Donald’s facts. Blacks and Hispanics commit 96 percent of all crimes in the city, he says, but only 85 percent of the stop-and-frisks are of blacks and Hispanics.

    According to Kelly, a majority of his police force, which he has been able to cut from 41,000 officers to 35,000, is now made up of minorities.
    But blacks are also, per capita, the principal victims of crime. Would black fathers prefer their sons to grow up in Chicago, rather than low-crime New York City, with its stop-and-frisk policy?

    Fernando Mateo, head of the New York taxicab union, urges his drivers to profile blacks and Hispanics for their own safety: “The God’s honest truth is that 99 percent of the people that are robbing, stealing, killing these drivers are blacks and Hispanics.”

    Mateo is what The New York Times would describe as “a black Hispanic” Yet he may be closer to the ‘hood than Holder, who says he was stopped by police when running to a movie — in Georgetown.

    Which raises a relevant question. Georgetown is an elitist enclave of a national capital that has been ruled by black mayors for half a century. It’s never had a white mayor.

    Is Holder saying we’ve got racist cops in the district where Obama carried 86 percent of the white vote and 97 percent of the black vote? And his son should fear the white cops in Washington, D.C.?

    What about interracial crime, white-on-black attacks and the reverse?
    Though blacks are outnumbered 5-to-1 in the population by whites, they commit eight times as many crimes against whites as the reverse. By those 2007 numbers, a black male was 40 times as likely to assault a white person as the reverse.

    If interracial crime is the ugliest manifestation of racism, what does this tell us about where racism really resides — in America?

    And if the FBI stats for 2007 represent an average year since the Tawana Brawley rape-hoax of 1987, over one-third of a million white women have been sexually assaulted by black males since 1987 — with no visible protest from the civil rights leadership.

    Today, 73 percent of all black kids are born out of wedlock. Growing up, these kids drop out, use drugs, are unemployed, commit crimes and are incarcerated at many times the rate of Asians and whites — or Hispanics, who are taking the jobs that used to go to young black Americans.

    Are white vigilantes or white cops really Black America’s problem?

    Obama seems to think so.

    • seems to me that regardless of race or religion, those who look to the future are successful and lead productive lives. Those who bitterly cling to the past are usually miserable failures who scrape by for a living.

    • The brutal truth is that black-on-black violence has killed, maimed, injured and altered the lives of many more people than all the lynchings of the post Civil War era ever did. I’m talking numbers that aren’t even remotely close.

      And yet, the “civil rights” hustlers want to keep pushing a narrative that sheet-wearing dipsticks in the South are the biggest threat to blacks extant.

      When one is acquainted with the actual, sad statistics (many of which John brought out above), it is clear that the biggest problems that blacks face aren’t from whites, with the exception of one issue: welfare.

      When white liberals instituted the welfare programs of the late 60′ and 70’s, they set in motion a institutional policy that sundered many black families and prevented the formation of many more. This resulted in feral youth being left to their own devices, which results in the grim statistics above.

      • Yep, Dyspeptic, you told the story. Senator Daniel Patrick Moynahan comes to mind: and via Wikipedia,

        “Moynihan’s research of Labor Department data demonstrated that even as fewer people were unemployed, more people were joining the welfare rolls. These recipients were families with children but only one parent (almost invariably the mother). The laws at that time permitted such families to receive welfare payments in certain parts of the United States.”

        “Despite Moynihan’s warnings, the Aid to Families with Dependent Children (AFDC) program included rules for payments only if the “Man [was] out of the house.” “

  11. I do not recognize this country anymore. I am only in my early 40’s and yet it appears as though sometimes I live in some eastern European country in the early 1980’s. I cannot and will not obey any “law” that does not support our constitution and/or is fundamentally opposed to the most basic of human rights…the right to self defense for my family or myself. I do not forsee any true conservative/constitutionalist taking the White House any time over the next several years; I forsee constant “executive orders” dealing with our kind…2nd amendment attacks, increased drone targeting, etc. Sometimes I want to disappear underground forever…God help us all.

  12. Obama had to appease the base and since THEY KNOW they have no case, their only option is to make it a gun control issue to keep with the meme since the NAACP, Fat Al and Holder already made up something. The Senate Judiciary Committee has no leg to stand on. They have nothing, the problem here is very, very simple!!! they screwed up by getting involved and now believe they need to keep face.

    • It will have the advantage of getting a large segment of their base whipped up for 2014. I wonder if they pulled the trigger on this a bit early. I’m sure they could have found something else to enrage their voters. It doesn’t seem to take much.

    • I think you’re almost there Pascal.
      It’s the old progressive line; repeat a lie often enough and it’s as good as a truth. SYG didn’t figure in the GZ/TM case? Who cares, ‘our’ voters aren’t informed enough to know that.
      This was a righteous defensive shoot that proves CCW and SD laws are needed? Not in ‘our’ world, this is a Tragedy (TM) and cannot be wasted. We will spin this until it suits our needs.

      This sort of thing is inevitable given the corruption inherent in this administration. It might also be that it is unavoidable given that the 4th estate is nothing more than a propaganda machine for the leftists.

      The only hope is that alternate media (ie the truth) is reaching enough people that 2014 will change control of the senate. Perhaps then we can begin to repair the damage.

  13. I wondered why Martin never opened the candy and drink on the walk home. If my research is right. The Skittles and Watermelon flavored Arizona drink can be used to make “Grape Drank” or “Sizzup”. Martin had the chemicals in his blood that night.

    I guess the media ignores this’s too.

    • @Mike, he bought the candy and drink for his future stepbrother who was waiting at home playing video games.

    • @ Mike and Ralph It is more likely TM bought the Arizona Watermelon Drink and Skittles to mix up a batch of “Purple Drank” than for his stepbrother. There is also evidence from the Circle K Video he got an older guy to buy him two Blunts after the Store Clerk refused to sell them to him. They are used to smoke marijuana. The autopsy showed he had unusual Liver damage for a 17 yr old that is consistent with chronic used of DXM (synthetic codeine) which is the active ingredient of cough syrup, the third ingredient of “Purple Drank”. Review the link below for more on this.

      http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2012/05/26/interesting-development-trayvon-martin-quid-pro-quo-at-the-7-11/

  14. I wondered why Martin never opened the candy and drink on the walk home. If my research is right. The Skittles and Watermelon flavored Arizona drink can be used to make “Grape Drank” or “Sizzup”. Martin had the chemicals in his blood that night.

    • I believe that when he asked the other boy at the house if he wanted anything, the other boy asked him to bring him back some Skittles.

      This whole “grape drank” theory is such a weak attempt to demonize Trayvon. I suggest you give it a rest, because it only serves to make one appear to be desperately grasping for straws.

        • Suspensions and fights, maybe. I won’t demonize the kid for weed or holding a gun.

          And really, there is no need to attack him, especially not with speculation. The verdict has been delivered and the way out of this mess is conversation and to clear it up is with truth, not raking up more muck.

          I think a big part of the problem is that people who heard the first reports of the incident are going around and basing their opinion off what they knew or thought then … it has become a public discussion tug of war, and heels have been dug in.

          What you need to do is to debate calmly, and listen to your opponent’s issues, and address each fallacious or debatable claim as soon as they are brought up. Don’t let anyone steamroll you on a road made up of false assumptions. Listen to the tapes, look at the map, watch the video of Zim recreating the event (with a grain of salt), and look at the timeline of the phone calls. That’s pretty much all that is relevant. Pics of Martin as an angel or with a grill don’t really have anything to do with anything.

          Both of them had the right to be there. Neither of them had the right to start a physical fight.

        • Seren, I wouldn’t demonize him for weed, either, though being caught with a backpack full of other people’s gold jewelry raises some issues. The trial evidence did tell a story, did prove much that was 180 degrees from the major media distortions. The trial’s evidence and verdict seem to have had no effect on the opinions of prominent black NGO leaders, their followers, or the President. I find this reality telling.

      • I tend to agree with just letting the grape drank thing go. It’s so thin and impossible to prove, and frankly not really relevant, it’s not really worth wasting time on.

      • Actually, given that these are two of the three reagents for ‘purple drank’ it’s not clutching at straws so much as admitting to the obvious. Are we to take TM’s parents at their word, or assume they are covering for a deceased child, knowing only too well what those two items are intended for?

  15. After watching and listening to congressman Rush from IL, Eric Holder and our President I can only come to the conclusion that there is in fact widespread racism in America. It’s just not the kind that the media would lead us to believe. It’s black on white racism and if you are white (or light) you will feel it’s wrath. It’s sad to see that our president is doing nothing to keep this situation from escalating beyond any control. On the contrary he is exacerbating the problem. Or maybe if we just cut to the bottom line… If you are young and black you can go anywhere you want. If you are white, stay in the car. If a young black man attacks you, you can run or take the beating and/or die.

    My opinions here are based on available evidence only, not what I or somebody else wishes for.
    Finally, today I see some of you calling TM what he really was. This young black “child” that was only a few months from being eligible to join the Marines was an aggressor. The aggressor.
    I only wish the media would get it right. Trevon Martin caused his own death by attacking a stranger. I think it’s about time for somebody to actually investigate this kid and publish what kind of person he really was. If he really was an “angel” I would like to hear about it. If he was something else I would like to hear about that too.

    For all those Black Fathers out there that need to have a talk with their sons… Tell your sons not to go around attacking strangers no matter what color they are. Tell them if they want to dress “differently” and act “differently” that they should not be surprised if people treat them differently.

    • Stirring the pot is intentional. Nothing good can come from this if you are an American, but if you are a Progressive anything that weakens America is worth doing. The issue is never the issue. The issue is always the revolution. This is worth remembering if you are ever tempted to discuss the issue at hand with a Prog true believer.

  16. a) I thought SYG had nothing to do with the acquittal- straight up self defense.

    b) In which direction should one retreat when on your back? I’m not sure ‘burrowing’ is an efficient form of escape.

    c) According to GMA and Today, America is nothing but fatties. We couldn’t retreat if we tried.

    Isn’t this the 3rd time Obama has discussed “personally” a state legal verdict with “heartfelt emotion”(a.k.a. racebaiting)?

    • Your point #2 is the most important one.

      Even if stand your ground law didn’t exist, and IF it were even an issue in Zimmerman’s case, he could not have retreated given the situation that the jury found him to be truthfully recalling in his testimony – that is that he was on his back, being beaten. There is nowhere to retreat, and therefore even under a “duty to retreat” situation, Zimmerman would’ve been within legal bounds to shoot Martin.

      This just falls in line with the fact that all of the people fanning the flames over the Zimmerman case COMPLETELY IGNORE the facts as shown in the testimony given by Zimmerman and backed up by his defense.

      These people still pretend that Zimmerman walked up to Martin and executed him with a shot to the back of his head. Actually, I’m pretty sure that some of them believe that’s what literally happened.

      • “This just falls in line with the fact that all of the people fanning the flames over the Zimmerman case COMPLETELY IGNORE the facts as shown in the testimony given by Zimmerman and backed up by his defense.”

        A much better way to say it is they’re ignoring the self defense proof offered by the PROSECUTION. Since that’s really all they managed to do – prove that they had no case and that GZ acted in self-defense. Other than TM’s family, did they actually call any witnesses or produce any evidence of criminal action? I mean, at all?

  17. “Also nice to remember: the George Zimmerman trial did not include any reference to the “stand your ground” laws.”

    Look… uh… there’s some debate on this and I don’t think it actually played a factor in the outcome, but it was a part of the trial in that it played a specific part in the jury instructions. Word-for-word copy from the jury instructions: “If George Zimmerman was not engaged in an unlawful activity and was attacked in any place where he had a right to be, he had no duty to retreat and had the right to stand his ground and meet force with force, including deadly force if he reasonably believed that it was necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony.”

    ^^^ that IS the SYG law being built into the law that the jurors must follow in determining their verdict. SYG is where this language in the jury instructions comes from.

    They chose not to have a specific hearing on immunity from lawsuits and such under the stand your ground law — and may still end up doing that — but that does not mean the law wasn’t in effect and relevant to this trial. The hearing for other parts of the legal protection offered by the law is separate.

    • You’re correct that it was read as part of the required jury instructions, but that’s because it can’t be taken out, legally. The fact remains that Stand Your Ground does not apply in this case, and it was not asserted. Therefore it is not relevant.

  18. PuffHo reported today that Obama told his staff “Trayvon Martin could have been me 35 years ago.”

    His staff thought that POTUS said “Trayvon Martin should have been me 35 years ago.” Several of the staffers fainted, but the Clintons were heard laughing.

  19. Obama seems to have reading comprehension problems. TM could have used SYG. Age doesn’t matter nor does the weapon. However, he can NOT commit a crime and claim SYG. The trigger to used to trigger SYG is “who is attacked.” Therein is the problem. TM went mma whoop ass on Zimmerman which was even corroborated by Rachel Jeantel, John G. and the injuries to GZ.

    Lastly, Barry admitted to being a thug 35 years ago. Interesting.

  20. This is rich… from the guy that will have Secret Service protection for he and his family for the rest of their natural lives.

  21. All we have to do is watch the local news any day , and see rapes, car jacking , store holdups, home attacks, parking lot attacks, that is way Obama hears people lock their car doors, and house doors, and if it comes down to and we have no legal CCW or stand your ground . Than we will just have DO it anyhow….

  22. “Trayvon Martin could have been me 35 years ago.”

    Oh, don’t I wish. I would even put up with Hillary if it meant that Obama’s mendacious lying ass was just another chalk outline in Chicago rather than polluting our nation’s highest office with stupid agitprop and end runs around Constitutional law. You are a disgrace to your country and you remind us of that fact thrice daily.

  23. The “root cause” of Martin’s death? The root cause is that Zimmerman incorrectly (this time) profiled TM (being that young black males are responsible for criminal crime way out of proportion to their numbers as a percent of the population) and that Martin overreacted by attacking Zimmerman. If young black males did not factually have such a statistical high rate of criminal activity then they would not be so profiled. The root cause of why so many young black males are criminals — according to Larry Elders on Piers Morgan — are that most black males are born out of wedlock and the unemployment rate among black males is a result of the first reason.

    • No Aaron, Zimmerman profiled Martin by behavior, not by his race. I quote from the conversation with the non- emergency dispatcher: “…he is up to no good or on drugs…” The toxicology report on Martin entered into evidence at the trial showed high enough THC levels to impair Martin’s mental state. Zimmerman profiled Martin on his behavior and Zimmerman’s assessment was correct.

      Stop treating erroneous media reporting as fact and start using the facts put in evidence during the trial. I am getting tired of watching the media memes drive out actual facts. You are not helping the cause of citizen self defense by parroting back these false media memes as if they were facts from the trial.

    • This is simply factually inaccurate. Despite being repeated in the media ad nauseum, there is not evidence for profiling at all. GZ saw a person acting suspiciously and investigated. He did not say ‘there is a black person in my neighborhood I’m going to check it out.’ He said there is a man who is acting suspiciously. He only identified to race when asked by dispatch. Read more and write less.

  24. I agree Obama and Sen Durbin cannot repeal state laws. So there Saber Rattling the NRA for in there small fascist minds political gain. Best thing is for gun owners to stand u[p and say NO OBAMA on gutting self defense.

    • However, you can bet Dick Durbin will try to come up with some sort of b.s. legislation to try to preempt state law. They are already discussing it.

  25. Herman Goring said that if you repeat a lie frequently enough the people will come to believe it. One problem applying that tactic to the modern era: there is this thing called the Internet that has along with modern telecommunications broken the back of the state and big business owned and controlled media that were the gatekeepers of news and information to the masses of people.

    • Your previous comments shows that internet does not defeat the big lie. You continue to propagate the big lie. I would argue that the evidence supports the assertion that the internet promotes the successful use of the big lie tactic.

  26. “A revolutionary dedicates his life to the destruction of Capitalism”~Che
    “To call Obama’s Regime an extended case of bad political theater is to deny the dire consequences of his acts.”~Me

    • Well said ensitue! It’s enough to make one wonder if there wasn’t a meeting after the reelection where they decided to have him go full tilt; ignore the constitution, foment civil unrest, usurp the rights of the populace etc. Perhaps I need to be fitted for a tin-foil cap . . .or perhaps you’d have to be in denial to not wonder WTF?

  27. But the do get kicked out for ethics violations and so far these BOZOS have done every unethical maneuver possible and it starts with the Florida special prosecutor and then there is Judge Debra Nelson,all should be on trial and in jail for their ‘TRAVESTY OF JUSTICE TRIAL’,Perpetrated on George Zimmermann.

  28. Trayvon was a homophobe as I understand it, Rachel Jeantel told him over the phone that Creepy-Ass Cracker Zimmerman ‘could be a gay rapist.’ That could definitely have been a factor in Trayvon deciding to punch George Zimmerman right off the bat, which lead to the young man’s death. Perhaps DOJ should sue Rachel Jeantel for encouraging a hate crime?

    Considering Obama is about as light in the loafers as any American President has ever been and allegations of his homosexual tendencies are rampant, I would be surprised if Trayvon didn’t beat the living shit out of Obama. In my analysis of Obama’s murky past I found it startling how little Obama seemed to associate with members of his own race and how likely it seemed that he was a gay man. He is a fraud who looks down on his own race, that’s why he keeps trying to cynically exploit this situation in this particularly tokenistic way.

  29. In his speech Obama did pretty clearly say that there was a trial, a Jury reached a verdict. the System worked as it is supposed to, then went on to push the burden of discussing possible changes to existing Laws onto the States. To my Obama “intensely disliking” mind, this sounded like he was telling Al unSharpton and others in the African American Community to slow down and let things work themselves out. I may have got the wrong vibe, but for a fraction of a moment I thought I saw a glimmer of National Leadership coming from him. I think we need to wait and see what happens in the next few days what with the weekend protests AS has called for.

  30. Hypothetical question:

    If Trayvon Martin had survived the gunshot and Zimmerman was still found innocent, shouldn’t the DA then be obligated to charge Martin with felonious assault?

    • I’m not a attorney, and didn’t even stay in a Holiday Inn Express last night, however I think you’re onto something. What the jury did in essence is find that TM was committing an act which a reasonable person would conclude was likely to cause great bodily harm or death (de facto by finding GZ justified in using lethal force by self defense). The only charges that come to mind are attempted murder or aggravated assault. However, had TM lived, I doubt GZ would ever have been charged. That said, TM would likely have gone from the hospital to jail.

  31. Never let a crisis go to waste- anything to distract from NSA, IRS, Benghazi, DOE Solyndra, EPA email, F&F – the list is long.

    I think his PR people are running scared- Holder tried to establish the idea that it was all about SYG at the NAACP meeting in Florida, but the low-info-voter and MSM of course don’t/cant think that deep.

    Having started this fire, I wonder if he will take responsibility if it flares up, and people are killed, and cities burn…

    The average citizen sees Sharpton, Jackson, and now Obama, all pushing a racial stereotype and victim agenda, and many just shake their heads, and go on doing their business, with more lost respect for the Office, and the Govt in general.

    We wont know for years just how much damage this narcissist has done, and we wont be getting apologies from CNN, MSNBC, Huffpo, DailyKos, Rolling Stone, WAPO and NYT, because they are either part of the cult drinking their own bathwater, or terrified as they realize their culpability in what has been done, thanks to their propagandizing.

    Maybe in a way, its a good thing, because this has no good ending, and the faster we hit bottom, the better- and lets hope it will pound a stake in the heart of the whole affirmative action vampire that’s sucking the blood out of schools, jobs, and black Americans own self-respect, for their own achievements.

    The fact that there ARE brave Black Americans and some celebrity-darlings of the left, who ARE willing to stand up and speak truth to power, is a sign that the lunacy is not universal.

    • I realize I’m going buckshot with responses on this thread but there are so many good ideas going around it’s hard not to. It seems to me that there are two major casualties of this fiasco: MSM and the Executive branch. That is unless you count race relations in general as collateral damage.

      Speaking to racism, I’m just not sure how far a pair of race agitators (Sharpton and Jackson), an AA president and an AA AG can push this issue before it really does form the racial divide they either think or wish exists. Further I fail to see how it benefits them. Playing to the AA community is a waste of resources for democrats. They already have the ‘black vote’ and I don’t see what this accomplishes. They could just have well of said ‘our hands are tied by the jury verdict’ and been done with it without losing a vote, especially with a second term president. I suspect we might well be seeing their (Obama and Holder) true colors so to speak. But even assuming they are simply racists it still doesn’t explain what they hope to gain. An all out race war is an unmitigated disaster for AA’s. That is simply a game of numbers that they couldn’t hope to win even under color of law or with strong assistance from the government. An increased sense of race as identity doesn’t favor such a cause either, since again it’s a numbers game that would inevitably be lost by the minority. The only third option that I can see is that they hope to foment unrest as a vehicle to impose if not martial law, then at least draconian civil rights disruptions.
      I suppose there is a fourth possibility, and that is that they (the president and AG) really just are that racist and that foolish. Hanlon’s razor suggests this latter answer is true but even I’m not so sure anymore.
      Hasn’t anyone fitted my for my tinfoil hat yet? Well, get busy!

      • If you want real answers as they say Follow the MONEY: Who put big money and why behind getting a very JR. senator who never had a job in his life to the highest post in the USA. ,,,a few hitters for Obama J.P. Morgan/Chase,,, David Rockefeller/ standard oil… Charles M. Schwab co. / George Soros / Wall Street Why is Big money for all this ???? Well first when you reach a point that you have all that money call buy : what next CONTROL of what EVERYTHING::: nations/ governments/ peoples just get in your way for what the NEW WORLD ORDER!

  32. The United States is on its way out as a country thanks to Obama and his Dem/liberal cronies. There is not a single thing going on in America that even looks like it is United.

    • Dude, it’s not dens vs repubs, it’s us vs builderburger types. Rush is a shill and repubs are chickenhawk warminger sellouts. And this coming from a vet.

      • Spoken like a democrat Heh. It’s absolutely conservatives and the rule of law Vs progressives and their ‘anything goes’ view of the same. Turn this around and imagine George Bush behaving this way about a white teen killed by a black man and the truth is clear. This administration (and progressivism in general) are lawless, racist, anti-American, anti-constitutional and just plain absurd as a political party in the US.

        • I have never had an affinity for the GOP. However, it it is done, we have serious problems because the Libertarian Party isn’t going to win against that Socialist Communist Machine. Name one Libertarian Party Member in the House of Reps, Senate or to ever even come close to making it to the White House. Therein lies the problem.

  33. All these silly people talking about voting, like its real. Sorry but presidents are selected not elected. And not by the people.

  34. See even the racist in chief had to weigh in. If TM had been a white dude and GZ a black dude. Nothing would have ever been said. It would have been a sound bite on the local news maybe.
    Now all the race baiters are coming out with protest rallies and marches. Poor little black boy got killed by hispanic man. What about the white folks that get killed by blacks and hispanics. Who marches for them? NO one!!!!

  35. Events repeatedly bring to mind that famous Jesse Jackson speech, including this anecdote, paraphrased: “I was walking home from a meeting late at night in Chicago. I heard footsteps behind me. I was so relieved to turn and see it was a white man.” The BS only goes so far. Experience and statistics tell the story. Obama, raised in a privileged white family in Hawaii, of which he was a blood member, exaggerates grotesquely any commonality between his life and Trayvon’s.

  36. Could we PLEASE stop referring to this clown as the Commander in Chief? I realize he holds he title, but he is a disgrace, and the notion of him as a commander of anything is nauseating. A commissioned officer or NCO who behaved as he has would be court martialed and hung out to dry for gross dereliction of duty. I have served under 5 presidents, and I am disgusted that he is, and in fact refuse to refer to him as, the Commander in Chief.

    Having gotten that off of my chest, he needs to STFU about this and stop interjecting inflammatory comments like “Trayvon Martin could have been me 35 years ago”. Skipping the obvious first thought, does he mean he was a little dumbass troublemaker when he was 17? He is just as bad a race -baiter as Holder, Sharpton and Jesse Jackson.

  37. NOW is the time to institute a national Stand Your Ground Law! Because according to the Declaration of Independence I have the RIGHT to Life. First couple of years would be Darwinism at its finest and then the crime rate would drop to near zero. Present the bill to congress and anyone who votes no can be pointed to as the politician who believes criminals have more rights that law abiding citizens,

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