CA Congressman: Make Building Your Own Gun Illegal

DIY AR (courtesy The Truth About Guns)

When people hold events they call “gun violence forums,” why does it always seem the proposals that result focus solely on the “gun” part of the equation and not the “violence”? Probably because they see it as easier to restrict gun ownership than to actually deal with the issue of violence in our society. So it’s really no surprise that the recent, ahem, gun violence forum that resulted from the Santa Monica shooting earlier this year has resulted in California congressman Henry Waxman  proposing legislation to make it illegal to sell gun “kits” on the internet . . .

From the LA NBC station:

“It’s scary to know anybody can just build their own weapon nowadays like nothing, and innocent people have to suffer the consequences,” Enriquez said.

Waxman said he’ll introduce a federal law to ban the Internet sale of gun kits that allow people to build their own homemade assault weapons.

“Out-of-state stores sell special California magazine repair kids that appear to be weapons that are banned in California,” Waxman said.

It looks like legislators are finally beginning to realize that guns aren’t magical devices that require an anointed high priest to bless them before they springs to life. People can actually make them in their basements without any outside help. They’re starting to realize just how porous their gun control laws are, and now they’re trying to find ways to close those loopholes.

I’d expect the proposed laws to become more and more draconian the more they comprehend how easy it is to build your own gun. In fact, I wouldn’t be surprised if they want to implement background checks on buying metal piping from Home Depot.

comments

  1. avatar Brian says:

    “Sorry sir, that pipe is 1.5” wide, that makes it high capacity, you will need a permit”

    1. avatar Bruce says:

      No one needs more than 3/4 inch pipe.

      1. avatar Chris from Iowa says:

        That’s not what she said.

        1. avatar Mr. Lighter says:

          “Is that a bull barrel, or are you just happy to see me?”

    2. avatar Jason says:

      Any pipe over 0.5″ (.50cal) is a destructive device.

      1. avatar Mr. Lighter says:

        I thought it had to be rifled to be a destructive device.

      2. avatar J in Ga says:

        A .50 cal? Perfect rifle to complement your .9mm

        1. avatar rawmade says:

          You do know caliber and mm are two different things, and that it is .50 right? You know, like its .45acp and .44 magnum?

  2. avatar Bill says:

    Great, besides this just being stupid, anything could be considered a firearms kit including repair kits/parts for ARs.

    1. avatar Will says:

      THAT’S exactly what they are thinking.

  3. avatar John F says:

    If the GOVERNMENT, had thier way John Moses Browning, would be a criminal for making GUNS

    1. avatar ensitue says:

      He IS considered a Criminal, his guns were used to defend South Korea!

      1. avatar C says:

        And he was a mormon! We know how shifty those bastards are!

  4. avatar Bill says:

    The Congressman is Henry Waxman.

      1. avatar NeonCat says:

        Hey! You insult boxes of rocks by comparing them to Congresscritter Waxman!

  5. avatar Rich Grise says:

    Waxman is a lunatic. He’s the high priest of both the Church of Warmingism and the Church of Antismokerism. The guy just ain’t playing with a full deck.

    1. avatar treefroggy says:

      I don’t think the Golom is playing with a full dick either. Bad case of short ( and ugly ) mans disease.

  6. avatar J.R. says:

    This is starting to get crazy I didn’t think in my time I would see the total collapse of the constitution and our freedom in less than 20 years none the less. And people are so brainwashed nowadays that there completely blind as to what’s going on. It’s making me sick to my stomach

  7. avatar Mmmtacos says:

    “It’s scary to know anybody can just build their own weapon nowadays like nothing, and innocent people have to suffer the consequences,” Enriquez said.

    [Citation needed]

    I would appreciate if Mr. Enriquez could provide JUST ONE example in California’s records that show that a gun built by a gun owner (as opposed to a manufacturer, an off the shelf gun) was used by that owner in a crime or even if someone had ever built a gun, to be used by anyone, specifically for use in a crime.

    I’m betting he can provide exactly ZERO examples of this happening. Such is California, just make laws based on your own irrational justification born out of your fear and need to control that which you can’t.

    The more you tighten your grip, Enriquez, the more star systems will slip through your fingers.

    1. avatar 505markf says:

      Didn’t the shooter at Santa Monica build his own AR starting with an 80% receiver? I think the point is not that it has happened, but that it is irrelevant as it is completely unenforceable, unless people would do background checks on every possible raw material or component.

      http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/Santa-Monica-Shooting-Police-News-Conference-Watch-Live-211492801.html

      Personally, I think people being able to build their own weapons is absolutely WONDERFUL. Yes, some knucklehead may hurt himself or others, but freedom is messy that way. Only way to eliminate risk is to eliminate freedom.

      1. avatar 505markf says:

        Interestingly enough, good description of this from within TTAG (I *knew* I’d read this from a credible source – thanks, Nick).

        http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2013/06/foghorn/santa-monica-shooters-ar-15-built-from-80-lower/

      2. avatar Brandon Van Heyningen says:

        yea but if you look carefully that Santa Monica shooting was fake as all hell just like about 98 % of all of the so called mass shootings .. they said he had 1500 rounds and a spare upper in a bag haha that would have been very heavy ,,and a black powder pistol because they were gonna attack the curio and relic side also , but that fell to the way side . what criminal would bring a separate upper hahaha what a joke .. no bloody drag marks by his dead body they supposedly dragged out for safety tennis shoes fell off and laying there but the surveillance video picture they released of the perpetrator is wearing tactical boots come on !!! they think we are all dumb .. the sad thing is that there are far to many people sitting at home watching the government owned mass media machine and they believe everything they see on the boob tube and they know that fact and they exploit it and get dumb people scared enough to go along with just about anything

        1. avatar Rich Grise says:

          That’s yet another reason why it might be a very good idea to turn to state legislatures and governors and even counties and cities. Simply refuse to comply or assist in the enforcement of unconstitutional federal laws: For example:

          “No agency of the City of Easton, KS, or person in the employ of the City of Easton, KS shall enforce, provide material support for, or participate in any way in the enforcement of any act, law, treaty, order, rule or regulation of the government of the United States regarding personal firearms, firearm accessories, or ammunition within the Boundary of this City of Easton, KS.”
          -ORD. 2013-03; Easton, KS.

          http://blog.tenthamendmentcenter.com/2013/10/easton-ks-passes-ordinance-to-nullify-federal-gun-control/

          Don’t comply! Nullify!
          Don’t comply! Nullify!
          Don’t comply! Nullify!
          Don’t comply! Nullify!
          Don’t comply! Nullify!
          Don’t comply! Nullify!

    2. avatar Taylor Tx says:

      You may fire when ready! The whole 80% lower was what started this mess.

    3. avatar DFF says:

      The turd was referring to the mental case that shot a number of people in Santa Monica.

  8. avatar Keith M says:

    “It’s scary to know anybody can just build their own weapon nowadays like nothing, and innocent people have to suffer the consequences,” Enriquez said.

    Provide at least ONE example of such. Either put up or shut up.

    What America needs is a ditch digger large enough to carve California from the mainland so it falls off into the ocean.

    Being that’s not an option I suggest recall elections for every one of these gun grabbers like was done in Colorado.

    1. avatar joe smith says:

      I would pay to watch that!

      1. avatar J.R. says:

        Me to lol at least Colorado has a backbone and stands up for the constitution I’m in upstate NY and its terrible here. People protest all the time about our gay governors safe act but it gets us nowhere ever

        1. avatar Brandon Van Heyningen says:

          im in Caifornia and i think they are trying to catch up to you guys in NY dam it sucks

        2. avatar Rich Grise says:

          What makes it even weirder is that Gov. Moonbeam just recently signed anti\-indefinite detention legislation, defying the NSA. It might not be much, but the longest trip starts with one step.

          On the other hand, I wish somebody would ask him why he doesn’t support the whole Constitution!

    2. avatar BillF says:

      When that ditch digger is built we need it in the Northeast. NYC, NJ, CT, MA, RI can all be dumped into the Atlantic with a single slice.

  9. avatar jollyroger says:

    Can anyone here point any examples of anyone using a kit gun in a crime? Throughout the entire United States? Has the liberator been used in any crimes?

    1. avatar 505markf says:

      Santa Monica shooter built up his own AR beginning with 80% receiver. See: http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/Santa-Monica-Shooting-Police-News-Conference-Watch-Live-211492801.html.

      1. avatar Blue says:

        AR is not a kit gun and the Santa Monica shooter never made any of the parts. Plus, the dumb-ass Congressman seems to forget he had a Cap & Ball conversion revolver as a handgun. Waxman is part of the Ding Bat Caucus of which Cali has the most members, Feinstink, Stretch Pelosi, Maximouth Waters, and Boxer.

        1. avatar 505markf says:

          So what do you call it when you start with an 80% receiver, then add the other parts individually? Saying an AR is not a “kit gun” is playing semantic games when you can, in fact, build it from parts, starting with a non-serialized, non-registered, 80% receiver.

        2. avatar Brandon Van Heyningen says:

          you forgot Frankinfienstien hahaha ugly old scid mark needs to retire and we need to set term limits for these jack asses it is supposed to be of the people by the people and for the people not for me and us not for them or you and i decide what is best for everybody and oh yea Constitution whats that we need to drag them out by their ears and replace almost all of them in office these days starting from the top down and restore everything in our Constitution to its original state period

      2. avatar Rich Grise says:

        Finally read the article, and this jumped out at me:
        “The gunman … tried to legally buy a firearm in 2011 but was denied by the Justice Department …” Good job of keeping them out of the hands of lunatics. /sarc

        What mental defect is it that makes the grabbers think that people who don’t obey existing laws will suddenly decide to obey a new one?

        1. avatar Ardent says:

          @505MarkF Where are these legal to own non-serialized non-registered AR lower receivers you speak of?

          A lower receiver is a firearm, stripped, partially built, still a firearm. Obviously it requires lots of parts to function, but none the less it is a fire arm subject to all the laws and regulations same as any other firearm.

  10. avatar Mike says:

    Yeah, because a 10/22 is used in so many crimes. I know he is aiming for ARs with this, I used the 10/22 because it has to be the most customizable gun out there. And my Boyd’s stock makes it an “Assault Weapon” now.

  11. avatar In Memphis says:

    How about we make violating the oath of offce illegal.

    Oh, wait.

    1. avatar Rich Grise says:

      <chuckle>

  12. avatar thatoneguy says:

    I’m waiting for these twits to propose some legislation targeting production of raw materials used in making firearms. “We must shut down the steel industry. For the children!”

    1. avatar Rich Grise says:

      And 7075 T6 aluminum. And titanium. And nickel. Heck, you could probably even make a lower out of magnesium! (when you machine magnesium, you get chips that if you set them on fire, you can’t put it out with water or CO2 – you have to smother it with sand. Fun stuff!)

      1. avatar Will says:

        Even then… That magnesium needs time in sand.

        Yes, I’ve seen it burn in water. It’s one reason magnesium is used in flares… once lit, it stays lit until its consumed itself.

      2. avatar Brandon Van Heyningen says:

        there are some magnesium ones on the market their nice and light

  13. avatar Chuck Pelto says:

    TO: Nick Leghorn
    RE: No

    Probably because they see it as easier to restrict gun ownership than to actually deal with the issue of violence in our society. — Nick Leghorn

    It’s because THEY want to be the ones who own the guns. The ONLY ones.

    It’s all part of class warfare. Just like what Walter Russel Mead is talking about over where Instapundit links to him…..

    ….http://blogs.the-american-interest.com/wrm/2013/07/16/this-is-what-class-war-looks-like-bonfires-banned-in-socal/

    Regards,

    Chuck(le)
    [The Truth will out….it’s not about guns. It’s all about control. And whether the upper class, i.e., the elites, use the courts or the police or legalizing drugs or guns of their own to subdue the lower classes, THAT is what it’s all about…..]

    1. avatar Jim R says:

      Been saying that for years. It’s not about guns, it’s about control.

  14. avatar The Blue Angel says:

    The Stupid is strong with Congresscritter Nostrilitus!

  15. avatar Cpt. Howdy says:

    Waxman’s nose is shaped that way from being shoved up too many arseholes.

    1. avatar Tom in Oregon says:

      That explains the brown ring around his neck!

  16. avatar Steve says:

    “Out-of-state stores sell special California magazine repair kids that appear to be weapons that are banned in California,” Waxman said.

    So, now a spring and a plastic follower are weapons? Wow. Sure, it would hurt if it hit you in the eye…

  17. avatar Aharon says:

    I think the politician gun grabbers actions are really about government wanting greater control over the masses of common people they look down upon and the emotional needs of politicians seeking to be looked up to like a leader or super hero. Bottom line: I consider most of the people in politics emotionally unbalanced and unfit for office.

    1. avatar Akira says:

      Absolutely… Unfortunately, the nature of the political career field is that it attracts a lot of power-hungry control freak types, due to the benefits it offers. The chance to dictate how others live their lives.

      That’s why there are checks and balances in place at all levels of government to limit the damage that these types can do. Unfortunatly, the attitude among a lot of people seems to be that such processes are no longer necessary because Obama is such a wonderful benevolent angel and he would never hurt us, so we should just trust him with absolute power over every aspect of our lives.

  18. avatar Akira says:

    “Out-of-state stores sell special California magazine repair KIDS that appear to be weapons that are banned in California,” Waxman said.

    I didn’t know it was legal to sell child laborers… But damn, those must be some pretty smart kids if they know how to take apart a magazine and repair it! I wish I had that kind of firearms experience when I was a kid…

    Sorry, couldn’t resist. 😉

  19. avatar Daniel Silverman says:

    On behalf of all us patriots here in California I want to apologize for this state electing this retard to congress.
    My head hurts from beating it against the wall…

    1. avatar Mr. Lighter says:

      You should move on up here to Oregon. That’s what my family and I did. I think California is too far gone, but with enough patriots, we can save Oregon.

      1. avatar sagebrushracer says:

        dont hold your breath, as the violence goes up those that can afford to leave will move up to OR with ya and bring their emotion driven voting power with them. Paradise Lost.

        1. avatar Rich Grise says:

          I remember several decades ago, Oregon decriminalized cannabis, and the influx of potheads prompted at least one bumper sticker that said, “Don’t Californicate Oregon!”

    2. avatar Chip says:

      “…My head hurts from beating it against the wall…”

      If you stop for just a minute and think about it you might realize it is not your head that should be meeting the wall.

  20. avatar Tama Paine says:

    Oddly humorous to see the fear of tool users is so profound among those who talk for a living.

    I think we should just ban all tools and be done with it. Also, ban all people who know how to build stuff. You never know when, say, they’ll hammer a nail into a board and fight off Kang and Kodos.

    Kodos: Well Kang, it seems the earthlings won.

    Kang: Did they? That board with a nail in it may have defeated us. But the humans won’t stop there. They’ll make bigger boards and bigger nails, and soon, they will make a board with a nail so big, it will destroy them all!

    1. avatar DaveL says:

      Oddly humorous to see the fear of tool users is so profound among those who talk for a living.

      Awesome.

      It speaks to a phenomenon that came into sharp focus with the economic crisis of ’08. There’s an extravagantly compensated “bullshitter” class in this country, whether they work on Wall Street or in Washington. They’re such consummate bullshitters that they’ve convinced themselves that it is, in fact, they who are essential to the running of society. It is they who bring in the harvest and keep the power plants running. It is they who make the internet and global telecommunications possible. It is they who produce everything from cars to Cracker Jacks.

      So when they’re presented with one of those insignificant “little people” and forced to confront the fact that this person can produce an artifact of civilization and they cannot, the cognitive dissonance strikes at the very core of their being.

      1. avatar Rich Grise says:

        “Cognitive dissonance.” That’s psychobabble for “bat crap crazy,” right?

  21. avatar KCK says:

    Any stats on how many lives, innocent or otherwise have suffered from a kit built?

    And like wise, after any model of pistol or rifle is used to kill someone, it has to go off the market?

    1. avatar Brandon Van Heyningen says:

      a real true number is impossible because ALMOST all these shooting are fake so you cant count victims that dont exist but i would bet money that no one has been killed from and 80% lower built rifle most of the people building these are law abiding Americans that just love being able to save money and have pride of craftsmanship they love their guns and would tend not to wanna do anything stupid that would jeopardize their rights i am one of those persons i built my own and i love it

  22. avatar Lance says:

    Is this state bill or federal??? I dont see a Federal bill going any wear in the US HOUSE. Agree Nick??

    1. avatar Lance says:

      Do you think this will pass or its another kaliforian fascist barking??? Nick???

  23. avatar Scot says:

    Moves like this make it increasingly clear that their motives have nothing to do with public safety and everything to do with public disarmament.

  24. avatar Lance says:

    Think this bill is dead Nick??

  25. avatar Nigil says:

    For a group of people that accuse gun owners of paranoia and fear mongering, anti gunners sure use the phrase “it’s scary to think that…” a lot.

  26. avatar William Burke says:

    I suppose the next step will be to ban making your own car. After all, CARS KILL, and homemade cars kill absolutely!

    1. avatar Rich Grise says:

      I’ve seen a vehicle called a “Freeway” which was the back wheel and motor of
      a motorcycle, a driver seat with two axles and wheels about as far apart as a
      small car’s, that could have been assembled by, say, any guy who could put together IKEA stuff, for example. The front was like the nose of an airplane.

      I believe electric cars will be feasible competitive when they come up with a battery that can go 250 miles at freeway speeds and recharge in 10 minutes.

      Nothin’ to it! 😉

  27. avatar Ben says:

    What’s a “repair kid?”

  28. avatar fmunk says:

    The fact that guns can be built in basements plays even more to their fear. And, of course, enter fear… exit reason.

    1. avatar Rich Grise says:

      All fear is fundamentally fear of the unknown. This evolved because the guy who wasn’t afraid to go out in the forest at night got eaten.

      The way to heal the fear of the unknown is to make the unknown known. This is the intellect’s job.

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