Philadelphia Home Invasion: Why Seven Rounds is Not Enough

Marine roughed-up and robbed by five assailants (courtesy myfoxphilly.com)

“He is a disabled veteran from the Marines,” Philadelphia Police Chief Inspector Scott Small told myfoxphilly.com. “He’s bed-ridden. He stated just before midnight there was a knock on his door. He believed it was his neighbor when he buzzed the person in. It was five to six males who rushed him, punched him, struck him in the face several times, made him lay on his stomach and put a gun to his head . . . The entire apartment was ransacked. They searched everywhere in order to steal his jewelry, his money and even his medication.” This sad tale reminds us to maintain situational awareness and home carry. It also makes us wonder when a New York resident—abiding by the seven-round limit imposed by the SAFE Act—will lose his or her life when they run out of bullets during a defensive gun use. Elections have consequences? And how.

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  1. avatar jwm says:

    It’s midnight, don’t believe; confirm.

  2. avatar k4R-15 says:

    Every time I read news about the despicable things that humans are capable of doing to one another it reminds me why it’s important to carry.

    And home carry.

  3. avatar ST says:

    Its a self fulfilling prophecy for the antis.

    The antis claim that guns are ineffective tools for self defense due to the threat of a scumbag disarming the citizen.So the antis pass laws mandating sub 10 round capacity.Bad guys then attack a citizen,who is overcome because he ran out of bullets.The antis then use the case to argue firearms are useless for personal defense,so why “allow” their legal use?

  4. avatar Hinshelworld says:

    7 round mag… New York reload

    1. avatar Randy Drescher says:

      3 gun NY gun belt, Randy

  5. avatar Parish says:

    Just a little confused on the relevance to NY’s 7 round limit. This took place in PA and he didn’t seem to use his PDW.

    1. avatar Jeff the Griz says:

      Cuz if he did shoot at 6 guys it would have been hard to kill them all before running out of 7 bullets. And I bet if the bad guy had a pistol it wouldn’t have only 7! And this is a comparison if that stupid law spreads as most stupid laws do…

  6. avatar Oscar says:

    If it was just before midnight, he should have asked who was there before he opened the door. He learned a lesson and is lucky to be alive after this. He must have forgotten he was back in Philly and he’s not as safe as he was in the middle east war zone.

    1. avatar William says:

      “Trust but verify!”

  7. avatar Accur81 says:

    This is clearly a bad scenario. I think RF’s take home point is that a pistol holding 7 rounds would be insufficient in a situation such as this. A two-round double barrel twelve gauge would still leave multiple opponents, and a 7 round shotgun would not leave room for a single miss. Against 7 attackers, I’d choose an AR with 30 round mags and as many spare mags as I could carry, with a 15 round .40 cal on my hip. Or, the 15 round .40 to fight my way to the AR. At any rate, 7 handgun rounds would likely be thoroughly inadequate, and in a surprise situation you may not have time to reach for extra mags. Hence the NY SAFE Act sucks.

    This is an answer to the question “Why would anyone need more than 7 rounds to defend themselves?”. Because you might have 7 attackers, that’s why.

    1. avatar William says:

      I am willing to guess that, in the case or the multiple home invaders, and said seven-round shotgun was fired, invaders two through six are not going to wait around for rounds two through seven.

      1. avatar Soccerchainsaw says:

        Yeah but, are you willing to risk your life on a guess?

  8. avatar Capt. Al says:

    This story is a sad reminder of why I decided to get my CCL. Having lived in a city that at least one home invasion a day, it’s only a matter of time the same thing could happen to my family. It will not happen now and I’m lucky to live in a state that hasn’t passed limiting gun regulations. Next election, I will be asking alot more questions of the policies of the persons running.
    My prayers go out to this victim and his family. It is my hope that we are more selective on the next election dates. I will stand up and be counted.

    1. avatar William says:

      You should ask, but they will probably lie.

      1. avatar Capt. Al says:

        This may be true, nothing is totally guaranteed. But we have access to their past voting records in the senate, the house and the local issues. The internet affords us this privilege. Do your research and hopefully it will pay off in the long run. As part of the silent, silent no longer.

  9. avatar Mediocrates says:

    As always, people get exactly what they deserve.

    1. avatar William says:

      Sort of; “exactly” is too… well, it’s too exact.

  10. avatar the last Marine out says:

    I would say if you live in a 7 round limit area , get extra guns/pistols/shotgun (pump), and i am not saying to break the law, but i would get a large cap. mag. and have a way ahead of time to hide it if you had to use it. The number one rule i learned in combat there is no such thing as rules but stay alive! rule 1 and only!!!!!!!!

    1. avatar Jeff the Griz says:

      What do you mean not break the law? As soon as you put round 8 in that high cap mag you just broke the law. I guarantee if you checked the drug dealers/gangs/mafia people in NY all of them have more than 7 in unless they have a 1911(even then they probably have 8 round mags)

  11. avatar Russ Bixby says:

    Dear Gods, please tell me why you limited the intelligence of the smartest legislators, while placing no limits on stupidity of the dumbest?

  12. avatar dwb says:

    most human beings will risk jail to defend themselves or their family. Id like to meet the 12 people who will convict.

    1. avatar Jeff the Griz says:

      Well load 8 in NYC and I’m sure the DA will arrange such a meeting!

  13. avatar Ropingdown says:

    Seven shots? A cop faced with one hobo on bath salts knows that ain’t enough.

    Our township just west of Philadelphia has very low crime, but a pattern of change is apparent, guys coming out from the city committing robberies of occupied dwellings or stores. This is high risk to the perps, because we have a ton of cops per capita, 139 for a township of 27,000. One HI happened last week. I was proud of the homeowners: They both fired shots at the intruders, who fled to the city in an SUV chased by our local PD. If it adds interest, it occurred one block from Kobe’s suburban Philadelphia house: The city has too many ‘dead-enders,’ to borrow a phrase from W, used in regard to Iraq. The poor Marine in the story shows the result.

  14. avatar Jerry Clark says:

    Like another posters said…don’t just think it’s your neighbor and buzz them in. The invaders could have had thousands of guns but if they can’t get inside, then……….
    So, no gun was used against him. He could have shot at them and took out 2-3 of them and the others would likely have fled. But let’s suppose they DO have guns. I have a 19 round clip. I fire off 3 quick shots, instantly killing 3 of them but BANG, BANG!!…thugs 4-7 all shoot at once killing me. If you have the time to shoot 10-19 times at 7 armed thugs all grouped together against you , then you should have time to reload. It only takes 1/100th of a second to get shot and killed. Absurd! Yes, rather…but it is also absurd to believe you can sit there calmly shooting 19 times. Now, 21 thugs invade your home…now a 19 round magazine isn’t enough!

  15. avatar JoshinGA says:

    But the antis have been telling me for months that a.) home invasions never(some will admit rarely) occur in an occupied residence b.) If a pig flies over a blue moon, it will only be one home invader c.) If the impossible happens and a home invader enters your home while you are there, they most assuredly wont be armed d.) Home invasions never occur with more than one perpetrator. Four strikes. They’re out.

  16. avatar Pat says:

    A person would have to either be insane or the biggest cowardly loser to only have seven rounds in their firearms that are in their own home.

  17. avatar MDC says:

    If he fired one shot, maybe 2 they would of back tracked. However, perfect reason for a shotgun for home defense and buck shot. I like that Mossberg Persuader that holds 8+1.

    1. avatar Capt. Al says:

      Have one. Added +5 receiver mounted shell holder and +4 stock mounted shell holder. Shells varying from buck shot to 3″ slugs. Stops anything from intruders to the vehicle they may be riding in. When the vagrant started banging on the picture window demanding money. Mamma pulled it out and made sure he could see what she had. There were no more banging on the window. No more demands. He left with his life, never to return. Crisis over. All the walls and windows still intact.

  18. avatar the last Marine out says:

    That is why you have more that one gun , and a way to trash the high cap. mag…and if in 7 round mag area , move soon, and till than drive to a free state a get a high cap. mag…if you had two to four seven round mags,to show police how they going to prove anything……..

  19. avatar the last Marine out says:

    I also want to add GET A GOOD KATANA sword ,, many a good Marines died due to this sword in WW2, it’s razor sharp and heads will roll ,,, No kidding a very fearsome weapon ! this is a Japan reload.. DEADLY.

  20. avatar MDC says:

    Just look at the video in England AFTER the stabbing assault. People COWERDING as opposed to assisting. Even if ONE person was carrying, this scene can be different. England laid down, nothing more, nothing less. Sad,Sad,Sad.

  21. avatar Mick says:

    We are creatures of habit and experience; as well, we are too often able to fall into patterns of behavior that make us targets. Not just “sheep”– all of us. I have no idea how the title came to be about the 7-round issue when tied to a situational awareness topic; mixing the two does not clarify. And when it gets right down to it, sometimes despite all “our” preparedness, practice, color codes and equipment, stuff happens. That happens everywhere, everyday.

  22. avatar The Pit Boxer says:

    Inside job. His neighbor just happened to call to say he’s coming over and before he could get there, 5 thugs knocked on the guys door? Self defense tip: Don’t make friends with bad neighbors.

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