Gun Review: Lionheart LH9 – Take 2

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A few months back, Nick Leghorn reviewed the Lionheart LH9 9mm, which is a modern update of the South Korean Daewoo K5 military pistol. Nick ended up giving it a dismal one-star rating, going so far as to declare it “unsafe.”  Since I had some experience with the Daewoo K5 as a result of my time overseas working with the ROK army, I simply could not believe that this update of a classic military pistol could deserve that kind of rating. Could the entire ROK military have been wrong in adopting a pistol that’s unsafe? And then keep using it for 20+ years? Nah, fat chance. So I asked Nick to send the gun to me so I could take a second look . . .

Here at TTAG, our mission is to tell the truth about guns. And yet on matters of personal preference, we can only provide our opinions. American orator Wendell Phillips (1811-1884) once said that “[t]ruth is one forever absolute, but opinion is truth filtered through the moods, the blood, [and] the disposition of the spectator.” After spending a couple of months with the LH9, I’m in almost complete disagreement with Nick’s take on this pistol. In my estimation, the Lionheart is superb: an upgraded, improved version of the excellent Browning Hi-Power and S&W 39/59 series pistols on which it’s ultimately based. 

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My first thought about the Lionheart LH9 when I saw it for the first time? It’s a drop dead sexy gun with great ergonomics, based on a pistol with a proven record of military service. What’s not to love? Shown above is the LH9 alongside my personal ROK Special Forces beret (presented to me by the ROK Special Warfare Command), my engraved Gerber Mark II, (an informal unit-level award), and my old Gen I Gore Tex jacket that I wore during my tours in country. The LH9 is a looker, right?

Some Americans can be funny about foreign-made guns, especially if the country of origin isn’t Germany or Austria. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve heard some OFWG redneck type say something along the lines of: “If it ain’t designed by Samuel Colt, John Moses Browning, or John Garand, it ain’t worth owning.” To those knuckle-draggers, the thought of owning a Korean-made pistol would be downright treasonous.

But I’ve never been afflicted with such shortsightedness. Quite the opposite, in fact. When I was in the Army (circa 1990), it didn’t take long for me to figure out that the Korean Daewoo K2 rifle was an advancement over my Colt M16A1s and A2s. The “Woo” basically takes an M-16 lower and mates it to an upper featuring an AK-47 style long stroke gas piston and an FN-FAL gas regulator. Brilliant! Why blow hot, dirty gas into the bolt carrier group if you don’t have to?

Oh, I know…because you love taking an extra 2-3 hours to clean all the carbon and junk out of the action, right? In addition, the piston/tappet rod allows the buffer assembly to be drastically shortened, which, in turn, allows for a folding stock. Accurate and utterly reliable, the Daewoo K2 is an impressive weapon system.

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Likewise, I was envious to see my Korean counterparts toting their (then) new K-5 pistols. My issue Beretta M9 (aka: 92F) was a beautiful pistol, but it was needlessly large and bulky. It featured the kinda-lame Walther P38 style decocker and a painfully long first shot double action trigger.  In contrast, the K-5 was compact and featured a 1911-style safety that allows the pistol to be carried holstered in Condition 1. The K-5 reminded me of my first pistol, my beloved Novak custom Browning Hi-Power. The ergonomics were similar, and the K-5 featured a slim front end that made it point very quickly and easy to conceal.

Perhaps the biggest irony surrounding the K-5: though made in the ROK (aka: South Korea), it’s heavily influenced by American designs. Let me explain:

Parental Family Tree:  Browning Hi Power & Walther P-38  S&W 39 / 59 Daewoo K5  Lionheart LH9

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The genesis of the Lionheart LH9 ultimately stems from the Browning Hi-Power, a gun that was based on John Moses Browning’s last pistol design. Engineers at Fabrique Nationale Herstal finished the design of the Hi-Power after Mr. Browning’s death in 1926. Released in 1935, the Browning Hi-Power took the world by storm, and became the most widely used 9mm in the world over the next 60 years. In my extensive travels around the world (over 70 countries), I can confirm that there were few places I visited where Hi-Powers were not represented in the arsenals of the police and military. Even today, the Browning Hi-Power is still one of the widely issued side arms for police and militaries around the world. They show up everywhere.

After WWII, the U.S. Army toyed with the idea of moving to a 9mm to replace the 1911.  Smith & Wesson was anxious to score a big government contract and developed the X-46 in response to Army solicitations. Inspired by the Browning Hi-Power and the Walther P-38, the X-46 attempted to take the best features of both designs and incorporate them into one pistol. The Army ultimately dropped the project, however. Nonetheless, Smith and Wesson continued development of the X-46 into the Model 39, in an effort to attract law enforcement sales.

The Model 39 utilized the tilt-barrel locking cam system of the Hi-Power and combined it with the double action and decocker features of the P-38. The Model 39 eventually evolved into a number of different generations of Smith and Wesson handguns, including some with aluminum alloy frames (e.g., Model 59, Model 459, Model 5903, Model 6906, etc.).

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The Daewoo K5, which is the standard issue sidearm of the South Korean defense forces, is based on the S&W 39/59 series of pistols. The Korean Ministry of Defense and Daewoo Precision Industries designed and tested the K5 over the course of four years starting in around 1985. It’s a combat-proven sidearm currently being carried by South Korean soldiers in places such as Afghanistan, Somalia and Lebanon.

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Daewoo Precision Industries is a turnkey Colt factory, built by Colt in the 1970s as the South Korean Arsenal. Daewoo has produced millions of licensed M16s, as well as M203s, M60s and other American Mil-Spec weapon systems. They eventually developed their own designs, which are widely regarded as improvements to the host guns on which they’re based. Much of the machinery that’s used to manufacture the LH series, such as the drop forge, is Colt’s original tooling.

The K5 was imported into the U.S. in the 1990s under the name “DP-51.”  Importation stopped when the Daewoo conglomerate was dismantled by the Korean Government in 1999. The weapon proved to be light, highly ergonomic, and well balanced. The DP-51s had a well-earned reputation for reliability and accuracy. The only common complaint that you hear about them today is the lack of parts and magazines. However, that’s been addressed by Lionheart Industries. Also, you can use S&W 59 series mags.

Improving a Proven Design: Enter Lionheart Industries

Lionheart Industries was founded in 2011 to import and manufacture innovative firearms and accessories. Lionheart is not a subsidiary of Daewoo, but an independent American owned company with exclusive import and distribution rights in the U.S. market. According to Mr. Josh Whi of Lionheart, they chose to work with Daewoo due to the high quality and innovative nature of their firearms.

Lionheart has taken the proven K5 design and upgraded it with modern features. They started by adding more aggressive serrations on the slide. Mr. Whi told me that it took many attempts before they settled on the current depth and spacing between serrations that they felt was optimal for grip, without being too sharp or abrasive. I think they got it right.

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Next, they changed the old spur type hammer to a rounded commander style hammer, which harkens back to the original Browning P-35. This was done so that the hammer could be easily manipulated and operated with confidence. In my opinion, the commander style hammer is more comfortable to carry, less prone to snagging and easier to conceal than a spur hammer, making it a welcome addition.

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The original K-5s/DP-51s featured a black oxide slide coating and anodizing on the frame. The look of the original finish left a bit to be desired, so Lionheart choose to use a Cerakote finish for the LH9. Not only is it attractive, it comes in various colors and its ceramic base allows a semiautomatic pistol to function without much lubrication. Cerakote’s durability, corrosion and chemical resistance is well known in the firearms community.

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Lastly, the grips have been improved. Lionheart tested three different designs before settling on the signature polymer “diamond grips.” The legendary designer behind Surefire, Paul “PK” Kim, designed these grips. They’re not only functional, but their unique patterns stand out compared to standard checkered grips.

One important thing they thankfully did not change: the full size LH9 is still compatible with S&W 59 series magazines and the LH9C (compact) takes S&W 69 series mags. The Korean-made OEM factory magazines are high quality steel with polymer bases.  The finish of the magazines is not nearly as nice as the Mec-Gars made for the S&Ws, but they are functional and rugged.

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Various sight options are available for the LH9. I tested two different slides, one with fixed sights and one with genuine Novak Lo-Mount 380 sights with the optional big dot tritium. The stock LH9 ships with black wide-notch rear sights and white dot front sight. Having the single white dot on the front allows for quick target acquistion and the superb accuracy that Novak’s is famous for. For customization, fiber optic sights as well as brass and gold bead options are also available through Lionheart and Novak.

Comparison to Smith & Wesson Pistols

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The photo above shows the Lionheart LH9 compared to two Smith & Wesson pistols: an all-steel Gen-3 (Model 5906) and an aluminum-framed Performance Center version of the Gen 3 Model 6906, known as the “Recon 9.” The family genetics should be fairly obvious from the photo, particularly in regards to the 5906. The Lionheart LH9 features a more rounded palm swell, a feature originally found on the Walther P-38. See Photo Below. I find the shape of the LH9’s grip feels very similar to modern SIG-Sauers and Walthers.

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So my question to the naysayers is this: if the S&W pistols get high marks – and they do – shouldn’t an updated version of the same pistol that drops the decocker in favor of a 1911-style safety also get high marks? The only real difference is the safety and the “Tri-Action Trigger” (aka “Double action plus +” trigger). But more on that later.

A Closer Look at the Internals

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The LH9 is slightly more complicated to disassemble than the modern Wonder-Nines like a Glock, Steyr, Caracal, or Walther PPQ and PPX.  The process is similar to disassembling an HK USP. But it’s easier than taking down a 1911.

Once pulled apart, the operator is rewarded with a full-length steel guide rod, a forged slide, and a hammer-forged, chrome-lined 4150 steel barrel. That steel is the same used in mil-spec M4s which are rated for full-auto fire. Yes, everything about the Lionheart is first class.

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The LH9 continues to use the original Browning design of dual annular locking lugs with corresponding slide indentions cut into the underside of the slide. This locking system is more expensive to build as compared to the modern breechblock design, but those who appreciate the classics will enjoy this feature.

The “Double Action+” Action

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In his review, Nick seemed to like everything about the Lionheart except the “Double Action plus+” action and the small-ish manual thumb safety. When I read his complaints about the action, I was surprised, and his conclusions didn’t mesh with my recollection of the merits of the system.

What I love about the Daewoo K5 (and by extension, the Lionheart LH9) is the flexibility it offers. Want to carry it in condition one like a 1911? Check. Want to carry it hammer down on a loaded chamber, safety off, relying on the heavy DA trigger as a safety? Check.

But the big disadvantage of a traditional double action system has always been that first shot heavy trigger pull. Most shooters can’t hit their first shot with double action. As discussed below, the Daewoo “Double Action plus+” system bridges that gap. But before turning to that mode, let me state that the LH9 double action trigger pull is one of the smoothest I’ve ever felt. Better than either of my SIG Sauers, my HK USP-T or my old Novak Hi-Power. The only DA gun that’s in the same league is my $1200 S&W Performance Center Recon 9, although TTAG writer Chris Dumm’s SIG-Sauer 250 has an near flawless DA trigger as well.

As Nick noted, you can use the “Double Action plus +” system a third way: by loading the pistol, racking the slide, activating the manual safety, and then pushing the hammer forward on a loaded chamber. That moves the trigger forward to the same position as if it were not cocked. (Note: Although not mandatory for operation, Lionheart advises users activate the manual safety first before operating the weapon in any of the three modes.)

Once so configured, the operator only needs to lightly pull the trigger back ½ inch, and the hammer will snap back under spring tension. At that point, the trigger is in the same position as a two stage single-action trigger; continuing with the pull a short distance more reaches an obvious wall. Another three pounds of force trips the sear and fires the pistol.

Though the pull will be as long as a traditional DA trigger pull, at no point do you need to use heavy, accuracy robbing 10+ lbs. of force. Also, note that contrary to what the bubbas will tell you out in internet land, you don’t have to pull the hammer back using the trigger. You can just as easily use your hand to re-cock the hammer. Thus, this system is flexible, and provides all the benefits of single action (accuracy + speed) with the safety of double action (longer trigger travel).

Nick saw it differently. He states: “In theory, this gives you all the benefits of a single action trigger and a double action trigger combined. In reality, though, it’s more like you get all of the drawbacks of both.” Which seems like a “glass half empty” view. In my opinion, the LH9 is a “glass is full” affair. Again, opinions will vary based on personal preferences and prior training. But one thing is for sure: there’s nothing inherently “unsafe” about the action.

Drilling down on specifics, Nick didn’t like the “long but light” characteristic of the ‘third’ trigger mode. As he said, “Since the “double action +” pull is lighter than a normal double action gun’s, you need to use the frame mounted safety.” Well, yes and no. You don’t have to use the safety if you don’t want to. It’s certainly true that the third (double action+) trigger mode doesn’t offer the same degree of heavy resistance as a traditional double action trigger.  But the trigger pull will still be long, which in itself provides a degree of safety.

Certainly, a Glock with a standard 5 Lb connector isn’t any more “safe” in this respect.  I’m currently testing the Walther PPX – which has no manual safety and an even lighter DAO trigger pull than the Lionheart. My advice: if you do want to carry the Lionheart in the pre-cocked, hammer down mode without a manual safety, then you MUST always carry it in a quality holster made specifically for this particular gun that completely covers the trigger guard. Of course, you can still back up the trigger with the manual safety, as Nick points out. Again, Lionheart recommends that.

In sum, the LH9 gives you options. You can carry the LH9 in various conditions depending on the situation and shooter preference: single action with safety on, double action with safety off, “double action +” with safety on, and “double action +” with safety off. 

The Safety

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Nick’s second concern was what he described as a “small safety.” See photo above, comparing the LH9 (right) to a modern 1911A1 (left).  Nick complained that the LH9’s safety is “roughly the size of a Tic-Tac” and that “even under the best of circumstances, it’s tough to find and flip it at the range.”  Continuing, Nick wrote, “And in my opinion, the safety is impossible to use under stress. It’s simply too small to hit with any certainty when you’re hustling to take a shot.” I beg to differ.

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While the Tic-Tac comment is only a slight exaggeration, I don’t understand the complaint about not being able to find the safety. Personally, I like the smaller, out of the way, ambidextrous safety lever. Guys like Nick get used to their oversized “competition” add-ons, but all of those bigger-than-stock features diminish the ability to carry the weapon concealed. Although sufficently positive to not flip off accidentally, the LH9′s safety is designed to switch off easily and instinctively on your drawstroke. In a tactical draw, it’s a simple process to deactivate the safety as you clear the holster and bring the weapon on target. My thumb finds the safety without any problems, day or night.  Reactivating the safety requires slightly more effort, but it’s not annoyingly difficult. It’s certainly a better option than the decocker on the Beretta M9.

Thus, while it’s true that the safety isn’t as large as the oversized safeties you encounter on some modern 1911s, it’s large enough to serve its purpose. It’s certainly easier to disengage the safety on the Lionheart than it is on many other firearms; including traditional WWII era 1911s. Those of you familiar with those 1911s will know that the safety on those old guns are only about half the size of a Tic-Tac!

The Soft Case

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These days, many manufacturers are cutting costs by only providing a marginal to crappy plastic hard case with their pistols. You know, the ones that you end up ditching in your closet because they suck.  The only pistol I own that came with a really nice case is my HK USP-T, and that puppy cost me almost a cool grand. Thus, Lionheart certainly takes it to the next level with their OEM soft case. The case has a high-quality feel to it, with room for five extra mags, a box of ammo, and cleaning supplies. The case includes:

  • A small tube of FrogLube
  • 1 brass bore brush
  • 1 steel cleaning rod
  • 1 cleaning brush
  • 1 trigger lock
  • Manual
  • Warranty card

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While a case isn’t going to be the reason you buy a Lionheart, it should factor into whether you think $600 is a fair price for this pistol. Which leads to the question of value . . .

Value

When the DP-51 was first sold in the U.S. in the 1990s, the price was $325.00. Based on that price point, the perception was that the DP-51 was an ‘economy line’ gun. In reality, it was a total steal. Twenty years later, inflation has caused pistols to become more expensive. Even so, the fixed sight Lionheart LH9 retails for $615. The Novak sight LH9 lists for $715. That makes it cheaper than a SIG-Sauer, Browning Hi-Power, or HK USP, but puts it squarely in the price range of guns like the Walther PPQ, Glocks and Springfield XDs.

Nonetheless, the quality features of the Lionheart – forged frame and slide, hammer forged 4150 barrel, excellent machining, Cerakote finish, (usually a $150-$200 custom coating job), smooth trigger, Novak sights, and the proprietary grips make this pistol a great value for the money. If you can find another firearm with all that, please let me know in the comments. The only other firearm that I found that is similar is the SIG Sauer Scorpion line that cost $1000+ MSRP.

Warranty

Often, you can gather all you need to know about a pistol by looking the warranty. These days, one- and two-year warranties are common, even among well-respected gun manufacturers. In this case, Lionheart is offering a limited lifetime non-transferable warranty on its guns and is providing full parts, magazines, and servicing from their headquarters in Redmond, WA. According to Josh Whi of Lionheart: “Great customer service and customer satisfaction is very important to us.” I hope Lionheart is here for the long haul. Maybe with any luck they will bring back an updated version of the “Woo” K2.

Conclusion

In his review, Nick says, “this gun is an accident waiting to happen.” I emphatically disagree. The South Korean military has been using this pistol for over 20 years and there is no unusual history of accidents. Besides, from the external safety, the LH9 has an internal firing pin block. It’s impossible for the LH9 to fire unless the safety is off and the trigger is pulled. If you want an “accident waiting to happen,” buy an old school 1911 – before they added drop safeties.

Nick recommended that potential LH9 buyers “stick to a Glock.” But the Lionheart is so completely different from a Glock that I suspect the two guns will attract totally different buyer demographics. The LH9 is a professional grade firearm intended for users who will train regularly with their weapon. Those who appreciate the pointability of a Hi-Power or a Walther P-38 and who like to carry in “condition 1” will really appreciate the Lionheart. As will anyone who has trouble warming up to the concept of a plastic gun.

Bottom line: the LH series of handguns is a top-quality military-grade firearm which is produced without cutting corners and without regard to saving manufacturing costs. I’m hoping that the Lionheart LH9 is well-received because it’s an excellent design. In fact, I like this pistol so much I am planning on adding it to my personal collection.

Specifications:

Manufacturer: S&T Motiv (formerly “Daewoo Precision Instruments, Inc.”)
Model: LH9
Calibers: 9mm,  (.40 S&W and .45 ACP versions are in the works)
Action: Semi auto, short recoil, locked breech.
Barrel length: 4.1 inches
Barrel Twist:  6 groove, 1:13 twist
Overall Length: 7.5 inches
Weight: 28 ounces (1 lb, 12 oz.)
Sights: Many options (See Below)
Finish:  Cerakote
Capacity:  9mm = 13 or 15 rds; .40 S&W = 13 rounds
Suggested Retail Price: $ 615 (MSRP)   Novak Sights $715 (MSRP)

Ratings (Out of Five Stars):

Accuracy: * * * * *    
Outstanding, pure and simple.

Ergonomics: * * * * *
The Lionheart is a bird dog – a natural pointer. If you like the ergonomics of the S&W 5906 and the Browning Hi-Power, and appreciate the palm swell of a Walther P-38, you’ll like the LH9.

Reliability: * * * * *
I experienced no malfunctions of any kind. This thing gobbles up all types of ammo like Rosie O’Donnell does Little Debbie snack cakes.

Durability:  * * * *  
I didn’t torture test this gun and, frankly, 500 rounds is hardly enough to give much indication about the long-term durability of a firearm. Having said that, after 500 rounds I didn’t see any signs of weakness in the materials or design. The Cerakote got scratched in one spot where the external trigger bar rubbed against the frame.

Customization: * * * 
Most holsters made for S&W 59 series pistols should fit the LH9. S&W 59 series mags will work as well. Novak’s tritium, fiber optics, gold and brass beads are available for this pistol.

Overall Rating: * * * * ½
I’m thrilled with this handgun. Again, even if you don’t like the “Double Action plus +”  trigger system, it’s merely an option. If you want to run your LH9 in regular double action mode, you can. Prefer single action, cocked and locked? Nothing is stopping you.

142 Responses to Gun Review: Lionheart LH9 – Take 2

  1. avatarcsmallo says:

    “OFWG redneck type ”

    What other ethnic and racial slurs do you use on a regular basis? Or are you a hypocrite?

    • avatarPulatso says:

      I have to say, that one sentence soured me to the counter argument before it even began. Protip: If you’re trying to convince an audience that prior information is incorrect, try not to insult them out of the gate. Even if you make valid points, they won’t give a damn.

      • avatarHuman Being says:

        I kept reading, but the “flyover people are knuckle dragging xenophobes” opinion was definitely noted.

        • avatarSnJohnson says:

          I agree with the author’s opinion. Too many of the OFWG redneck types are too willing to dismiss something because it isn’t made in ‘murica or has some kinda crazy new feature going on. Hell, go see how many people flame Toyotas simply because they aren’t American. Pretty much every experience I’ve had at an NRA meeting.

        • avatarCaligula says:

          I’m a Redneck (and proud of it) from Fly-over NC country, and I own mostly foreign made firearms. I don’t own a S&W, and My wife drives a Honda Odyssey. Thanks to Hollywood and the mass media, most people on the East and Left coasts think Southerners and other rural occupants are ignorant and closed-minded. I find that conclusion strange since some of the most ignorant people I’ve ever encountered were from New York City and Chicago. I lived (survived) in both cities. Both are also filled with assholes.

      • avatarJim B says:

        I admit I didn’t finish reading the article after that remark. [FLAME DELETED]

        • avatartoast says:

          When you allow rhetoric to lead astray of argument the loss is none but yours.

      • avatarAnonymous says:

        “Protip: If you’re trying to convince an audience that prior information is incorrect, try not to insult them out of the gate.”

        Are you saying you are a redneck? Methinks good ole Joe thought that he was not talking to rednecks. Maybe he was.

        • avatarjamieb says:

          That does not matter. I doubt if I made ethnic slurs about Mexicans, japanese, Chinese, Haitians, Pakistani etc that they would be allowed to remain.

          Either its in bad taste or its not. Either its allowed here or not. If having a stereotype of backwardness, fiercely anti education, steadily anti progress, there is a couple hundred million people in the middle part of earth who want to live like its the year 900-1100.

          So you agree then. We can. Slur them. Do not delete this mods. I did NOT actually names a people or country.

    • avatarCraig says:

      I don’t even know what OFWG stands for. Why do journalists need to use abbreviations? Ever heard of writing classes in college and high school? Besides, why would any American think higher about a German/Austrian gun than a Korean one? I don’t want either country’s crap in my collection.

      Which brings me around to this pistol. Its a copy of a copy of a copy of a copy. Seriously, this thing is based off of a Korean pistol, which was based off a S&W, which was based off the Browning Hi-Power and the P38. Why would I want this, when I could buy all of the originals? And I don’t even want the originals…

      • avatarTim U says:

        OFWG = Old Fat White Guy.

        it’s a stereotype of the “traditional” American gun owner who worships the M1 Garand, 1911, et al.

        • avatarSnJohnson says:

          Copy of a copy? So you’re still driving an original Model T right? No other brands or updated “copies”? You pretty much proved his point.

      • avatarJoe Grine says:

        Craig, if you have any Pre-64 Winchester Model 70s or Springfield 1903′s in your “collection,” you better send ‘em to me. You wouldn’t want any of that German designed crap in your collection.

      • avatarAnonymous says:

        I would agree. I have no idea what all these abbreviations mean. When I took technical writing at my university we would have achieved a failing grade after such usage without distinguishing it in parentheses first. Even so, we were discouraged in their usage as it made us appear lazy.

        Regardless of the abbreviations, this gun looks nice and I wish I had one – or several.

        • avatarjamieb says:

          Because you do not trade I hate speak and tired cliches.

        • avatarLough Sun says:

          My Lh9 runs like a champ 1400 rounds as of today and not one issue; not even with cheap reloads either. Toyota, Honda, Mazda, Kia, Hyundai, Nissan, Panasonic I could go on.
          We make some good guns in America and I’m proud of them; furthermore, LionHeart Industries is right here in good old Washington State putting Americans to work. Nuff said.

      • avatarpercynjpn says:

        “I don’t even know what OFWG stands for”

        I didn’t either – thanks Tim U!

    • avatarJoe Grine says:

      I didn’t know that rednecks were a “race” or an ethnic group. Listen, you guys need to quit with the PC nonsense and put your big boy pants on. I’ll bet that you want your kids to get a trophy even when their team loses. Do you want the Washington Redskins to change the name of their football team, too?

      • avatartoast says:

        Not a race but, redneck and OFWG do meet the dictionary definition of ethnicity. Though you’d be hard pressed to make a case for affirmative action out of it.

      • avatarAnonymous says:

        What is “PC nonsense?”

      • avatarRick says:

        effing A right!pc has ruined our nation get over it!if you dont like it then dont read it and move on is all.

      • avatarRhino Ranch says:

        Agreed. Lighten up. Put on some Big Boy Pants! Sarcasm & humor are legitimate tools. Otherwise join the socialist party that controls words & thoughts (and major league team names) with so called politically correct speech which is dangerous censorship. Learn how to think, reason, and interpret language in context. There is a difference between hate speech, useless inflammatory rhetoric and satire.

      • avatarOld heathy White Guy says:

        The comments did not bother me at all, the fact is there are plenty that say exactly what he quoted, go to any gun forum and look at the “General Discussion” section…..heck I’m a red neck but not a namby pamby on. Enjoyed the article and look forward at giving one of these handguns a try-out. When I have run 10K rounds through one I will report back.

        Lets get back to talking about the darn gun people…enough of this PC whining.

        Thanks for the review.
        Semper Fi

      • avatarjamieb says:

        They are a race. What other race of people can even get a red neck. Your argument makes as much sense as say I g the n word is not an insult because it means black, and no one is really black. So it does not even apply to anyone one. Better let the tv censors know, they no longer need to bleep it.

      • avatarCymond says:

        ‘Redneck’ is a slur for poor, secluded, rural people. There are many claims for the origin of the term, but one of them relates directly to my cultural heritage.

        As the story goes, the ‘rednecks’ were miners and sympathizers who took up arms to free the miners who were basicaly slaves in the southern West Virginia mines.

        So call me a redneck if you want, but the truth is I’m not nearly tough enough to deserve the label.

    • avatarAccur81 says:

      There are OFWGs, and very opinionated ones at that. It is a stereotype, but stereotypes are based in reality. If not, we would see no variations in race or culture in the real world. A quick look at crime rate or pregnancy rates by race would show considerable variation.

      I took Hunter’s Safety classes taught by the exact type of person that he is referring to. If we said the components of a cartridge in the wrong order, it was a failure. I see no reason for that. That was a class near West Bend, WI around 1990, and the instructors there has opinions like those mentioned in this article.

      For me, the bottom line is that the article contains excellent factual information, with apt comparisons to current design and previous design evolutions. A quick slightly offensive comment barely blips my radar. I’d rather learn about guns than worry about such trivial matters.

      • avatarDavid says:

        Accur81, I see you mentioned West Bend. You still round these parts? I’m just down the road from there.

      • avatarjamieb says:

        You can’t let the enemy define the a rguement and constantly change it. Either racial, ethnic, religious slurs are ok all the time. Or they are wrong all the time. End of story.

    • avatartoast says:

      Author worked overseas with the ROKA so likely all the slurs all the time. Also, if you are an old fat white male redneck then what the author is articulating isn’t really an isult is it? Unless you take offense at someone stating the obvious. In general are OFWG rednecks, as a group, predesposed to liking this pistol or not? Stereotypes exist for a reason and given that people, in general, make generalizations all the time your cries of hypocrisy fall flat. At what point does the author even begin to hint at how he defines his personal moral standards which allow for an assessment of the authors hypocrisy?

    • avatarCulpeper Kid says:

      Cut the guy a break, he was just trying to lighten up his article. What, now everybody is sensitive to the term OFWG? I don’t mind if I am, and every day my knuckles get lower and lower (it’s called aging). Maybe the site needs to become ‘The truth and Sensitivity About Guns”, hahahahahah.

    • avatarTotenglocke says:

      He’s not wrong. That’s exactly the type of people who bash a gun without ever firing it.

    • avatarJDSmith says:

      Really?? I know this is an older article, but I was not aware “Redneck” was an ethnicity or a race. The author’s desciption of the “type” of people that would dismiss something just because it isn’t made in America is accurate. Thanks for the laugh though ;-D

      • avatarCymond says:

        ‘Redneck’ may not be a nationality or skin color, but it is most certainly a cultural group. As a West Virginian, pop culture has considered me a backwoods, backwards redneck my entire life.

        eth·nic
        [ éthnik ]

        1.sharing cultural characteristics: sharing distinctive cultural traits as a group in society
        2.of group sharing cultural characteristics: relating to a group or groups in society with distinctive cultural traits
        3.of particular origin or culture: relating to a person or to a large group of people who share a national, racial, linguistic, or religious heritage, whether or not they reside in their countries of origin

  2. avatarmlk18 says:

    Didn’t the OFWG Redneck types invent racial slurs?

    • avatarDarren says:

      People have been using racial slurs since there were people. This is not unique to OFWGs. OFWGs just tend to use ones in English, which means they’re more commonly encountered and understood in North America. I’m sure there is a litany of racial slurs used against OFWGs (including “OFWG”) if you broaden your cultural and language horizons a bit. But that would spoil the fun and sense of superiority, right?

  3. avatarJR LORENCZ says:

    Great review–detailed and quite exhaustive. I may need to have a nice little nappy after reading all of it. It’s an intriguing pistol with an attractive design I do not buy ‘ugly’. I have a Daewoo K1 carbine, and love it. It certainly has improvements on the M16. Fun to shoot old school–no rails, or optics.

    • avatarJoe Grine says:

      Oddly enough, the current generations of K1s are all railed out, with optics, etc. I would love to own a K1 and a K2

  4. avatarAharon says:

    Dan, thank you for this very informative and interesting review. I had my sight set on buying a CZ later on this year. Now I will also be considering the Lionheart.

  5. avatartdiinva says:

    Great Review. People who recommend Glocks and then complain about the safety of a pistol like the Lionheart are speaking from prejudice. (Sorry Nick, it’s true) The Glock has one of the highest ND rates of any pistol. Check the IGOTD winners who were awarded the prize for a spectacular ND if you don’t believe that. I don’t think I have ever seen an ND reported for a XD with it’s grip safety. I don’t know whether I would buy a Lionheart if I was in the market for a full sized 9mm but I would give it a look based on its heritage alone..

    • avatarMichael B. says:

      It’s worth noting that Nick himself is partial to 1911s and Sigs, according to posts he’s written in the past. He is of the fuddish opinion that all metal guns are superior to dem tupperwar gunz.

      So him recommending a Glock over the Lionheart is sort of an insult and accidentally solid advice.

      I don’t think I have ever seen an ND reported for a XD with it’s grip safety.

      I have. Google is your friend.

  6. How would this compare to a Cz 75 SP-01? I use one as my USPSA pisol but love the ergos to death. If the compact version compares I might have a new carry piece in mind

  7. avatarJPD says:

    Some thin skins out there!! I am a OFWG….so what. As far as the “redneck type”?? Well, guys, you sure get your little feelings hurt when someone hits close to home!!

    Funny, with the issues today, you get your panties in a wad over that.

  8. avatarg says:

    Wow, dueling reviews on TTAG? I liked this one, though… if nothing else, for the extensive history and Grine’s detailed discussion of where the LH9 evolved from. I’m usually a big fan of Nick’s reviews, so I very surprised he disliked the gun so much.

    Reading this review definitely gives a more balanced perspective.

    Well done, Mr. Grine.

    • avatarIng says:

      Agreed. Good review.

      I’d like to see a lot more dueling reviews here — the truth about reviews is that they’re mostly just opinions. Expert opinions can differ for very good reasons. I figure I can get a lot closer to the truth (or at least the things that matter most to me) by seeing where well-reasoned opinions diverge.

      I like the way that gun looks. I’d really love the opportunity to shoot one. Not sure I’d buy one, though. Aside from having no money, I worry about the complexity of those controls — too many options. I own Springfield XD’s partly because they’re a great combo of simple and safe; no confusion about what mode you’re in. If you’re not holding it, the grip safety ensures that you can’t accidentally fire it. If you’re holding it, you’re ready to fire.

    • avatarWill says:

      Agreed, I live the second opinion reviews. Reminds me of that Hi-point C9 review and counter review. Too bad there’s no counter review to the Taurus 651 review.

    • avatarFourString says:

      28 oz is pretty impressive. I think I want one. Slip some 20 round Mec-Gar S&W59 mags in and she’s good to go.

  9. avatarSwarf says:

    Anyone who thinks “redneck” is equivalent to a racial slur needs professional level panty unwadding.

    This Fox News driven woe-is-me-I’m-the-real-victim hyperventilating would be hilarious if it weren’t so pathetic.

    • avatarJTPhilly says:

      While I agree that “redneck” is not a racial slur, I’ve worked for both city and state governments whose handbooks specifically equate it on the same level, along with age-discriminatory names like “old-fart” and “dinosaur”.

      • avatarAvid Reader says:

        I proudly subscribe to all of the above: OFWG Redneck, old fart, and dinosaur. You gotta be what you is!

      • avatarjwm says:

        As an old fart, OFWG and recovering redneck I was not insulted by the use of the terms. If I live a few more years I may also adopt the dinosaur title.

        It’s been my experience that the white guys that make a fuss about these terms are just guys that miss the days of “Seperate But Equal”. Which were not, of course.

        Never used the Korean pistol but I was found of the S&W 39. I’ve always preferred single stack autos to double stack, they fit my hand better.

      • avatarMike in TX says:

        I’ve been told that the proper PC term for redneck is now “Agricultural-American”…..

        • avatarjwm says:

          I must still be a redneck then. I have a small vegatable garden in my back yard.

    • avatarMichael B. says:

      When someone uses it derisively it smacks of cultural condescension.

      Don’t think Joe meant it that way, though. After all, why intentionally insult a huge portion of your readers?

      >;P

    • avatarht4 says:

      Did you miss the OFWG (Old Fat White Guy) part, or were you just ignoring it on purpose?

    • avatarSwarf says:

      That silliness aside, I thought the Lionheart looked like an interesting piece and was disappointed by Nick’s assessment of it. It’s interesting to hear someone else’s take on it.

      Interesting article, well written. This moderatelyO FWG redneck done learned somethin.

    • avatartoast says:

      “But one also finds in the human heart a depraved taste for equality, which impels the weak to want to bring the strong down to their level, and which reduces men to preferring equality in servitude to inequality in freedom”

      Political correctness is a progressive act which seeks to shape language to reinforce the notion that all are equal in being.

    • avatarapplebutter says:

      Fox News drives “woe-is-me-I’m-the-real-victim hyperventilating”?

      What the hell are you talking about?

      Usually when I see such stupid claims, it’s called Faux News. While Fox is far from perfect, when compared to the other three letter networks (or five), Fox is the only game in town.

      Personally, I earned the “OF” part. The “WG” part just showed up. And “redneck” should be a badge of honor. Farmers and others who worked out of doors had the skin on their necks burned by the sun, thus the term. I could do a lot worse.

      • avatarjamieb says:

        Like n word rigged is a compliment? Meaning the poor guy with no resources managed to fix X with no good tools etc cool.

        So I can start using that on here?

  10. avatarGyufygy says:

    I used to think redneck was an insult. Now I’m marrying into an arguably redneck family. You live, you learn.

    OT, great, detailed write up. Love seeing the disagreement between you and Nick; not for the sake of seeing y’all fight, but seeing differing views and opinions.

    • avatarGyufygy says:

      Also, the mechanics of the + trigger seem interesting. Not solid on the terminology, but after the hammer is cocked, does the visible hammer disengage somehow from the spring portion to move forward? So the long + pull is just pushing the hammer back into place with no spring resistance?

  11. avatarrobin says:

    Having served with the ROKs as part of First ROK Army (FROKA) in the mid-80s, I’ve got to agree with you. The ROKs take their personal weapons very seriously. They are still at war with the north and don’t have time for pretty looking, almost good, weapons.
    They are also serious about their freedom. The most mellow ROK officer I worked with wanted to kill every communist he could get his hands on. And he was the laid back one.

    • avatarPFCKIM says:

      absolute truth. my dads retired ROKA officer. he hates communism with a passion, it tore apart his family. and it is also true that the south korean military takes its military tech VERY seriously. they will not settle for “good enough”. glad to see i was correct in my assessment of the dp51 aka LH9. will be acquiring one as soon as financial constraints will allow. glad to see the new ones still take S&W mags also.

  12. avatarCamo says:

    The LH9′s safety looks a heck of a lot bigger than the FNS- 9′s safety…just say’n. I’ve got the FNS-40 and it’s safety is probably smaller than a tic tac and hard for me to engage quickly.

  13. avatarensitue says:

    I applaud Grines usage of “Knuckle Draggers” to describe everyone that disagrees with his lofty assessments. A class act like Joe needs no further kudos or accolades bestowed upon him by the diminutive readership of TTAG then to acknowledge his clear moral superiority that place him so far above our collective insignificance.

    • avatarJoe Grine says:

      Learn how to read more carefully: I ascribe the term “knuckle dragger” only to the point of view that Colt, Browning and Garand are the only three guys that knew how to make guns. If you fall into that category then sorry you got butt-hurt, but its true: there is a whole world of excellent firearms that are made somewhere else.

      • avatarensitue says:

        I love it Joe, you get called out for being an ash in print and your response is to verify the fact and then double down.
        Very Professional-move

      • avatarQuantum Zen says:

        Thank you Joe, for your excellent review. Nick’s review had turned me off the LH9 but you’ve made me reconsider. Your LH9 review has been one of the best reviews on this site. I thoroughly enjoyed reading it.

        To back up what Joe said about the “knuckle draggers,” I absolutely agree with you. I’ve grown very tired of the near religious fanaticism afforded to the JMB/Garand/Stoner crowd who attribute near mythical properties to the firearms designed by these excellent American icons but have clouded reason with patriotism and fable. Yes, the M1911, M1 Garand, etc., are superb firearms. But there are many non-American firearms just as good, or even better out there. But to disregard reason and fact for sheer bias is absurd. Sadly, many have that attitude still, and they deserved to be called out for what they are: “knuckle draggers.”

      • avatarJesus says:

        I like this guy.

      • avatarjamieb says:

        That could be anyone. Its fine because its not racial.

  14. avatarFug says:

    But will it still work if you bury it with the Kimchi for months? I wonder how tenifer would hold up to pickling?

  15. avatarTim U says:

    If I wasn’t already heavily invested in other platforms that were here before this one, I would seriously consider this for a “service” type pistol.

    • avatarBlehtastic says:

      I agree. Being able to use glock 17 magazines in the 19 and 26 make it tough to leave.

      This one does look a lot classier though.

  16. avatarJames1000 says:

    My biggest take away from this was this dude doesn’t like Nick….

    • avatarJoe Grine says:

      Actually, that is the furthest from the truth than you could get. Nick is an impressive guy in all respects. I consider Nick a friend, and you will note that I was careful not to insult his opinion, even if I disagree with it. Just because you disagree with someone on a specific topic does not mean that you don’t like them.

      • avatarJames1000 says:

        Noted and I stand corrected. Was just my perception.

        • avatarJoe Grine says:

          The irony is that I tried really hard to write the article in a manner that would not lead to that perception. Hopefully, I did not fail in that regard. Surely, there has got to be room to have disagreement on a topic without making it personal. This is especially true when so much that we write about is a matter of personal preference.

  17. avatarRalph says:

    Great review, Joe, and thanks especially for the history lesson. My concern about this pistol is the same that I would have for any product from a new company, namely, will the manufacturer support the gun? Customer service is a big deal to me.

    I loved RF’s compact Caracal, but in my review of it I said that I wouldn’t buy the pistol until it had a track record. When the Caracal-C was recalled, RF was SOL for many months. That’s hideous customer service. Not knowing what to expect from Lionheart, this pistol would be a no-go for me.

  18. avatarAharon says:

    What is with the recent trend of increasingly politically-correct thinking and whining going on in the TTAG comments? The comments at this site used to be almost exclusively manly and thick-skinned, and not comments expressing hurt-feelings and sentiment. For those OFWG whose panties are all bunched up by this post stop wearing girls panties and go buy a kilt. I’m definitely going to go buy a Himalayan Imports Gurkha Knife I’ve been considering along with some coconuts the size of human heads and start chopping away.

    Once again, Joe great post. I’m interested in possibly buying this gun.

  19. avatarGyufygy says:

    Oh gosh darnit, please take “c0cked” out of the spam filter! The non-0 version. Or at least less us know when the post got eaten and why.

    Third times a charm. Okay, so, I’m rusty on the terminology, but I’ve been trying to figure out how the + trigger works. After you’ve pulled the hammer back and compressed the spring, does the hammer disengage somehow from the spring when you push it forward? So when you pull the trigger, the only added resistance/distance is pushing just the hammer back into position and reengaged with the spring before the sear trips and the whole shebang goes forward?

    • avatarGyufygy says:

      Triple post GAH. Stupid spam filter.

      On TTAG, the spam filter is the source of FUD.

    • avatarJoe Grine says:

      The LH9 features a unique two piece hammer design where the backstroke of the hammer cocks the spring and then it is free to move forward without decocking the spring. When the trigger is pulled, the hammer moves back into single action mode with a long light trigger pull. If you would like a more detailed, technical explanation please review the original Daewoo patent: US5166458A.

      If the manual safety is on, the safety completely disconnects the trigger.

      Even if the manual safety is off, the firing pin is completely blocked. In order to disengage that mechanism the trigger must be pulled to engage the lever that releases the firing pin block.

  20. avatarBeav says:

    I work at a gun range that rents about 50 different handguns. If it can break, we see it here. The owner brought two Lionhearts into the rental fleet about three months ago. We read Nick’s review before they arrived and had some preconceived notions about the guns. Boy, were we wrong! These are quality handguns that are really accurate! The trigger system is a little quirky but once you understand it, it works extremely well. So far, no malfunctions or any problems with the rental guns. I only wish they were at a slightly lower price point. Despite the obvious quality of the LH9 and LH9C, it’s tough to fight the consumer bias to buy something they’ve heard of (Glock, M&P, XD) over something new. That said, all rental customers like the Lionhearts.

  21. avatarmacgearailt says:

    OFWG, are those the folks that BHO calls the bitter clingers? With the great issues before us, how is it one can take the time to be offended by OFWG?Perhaps more effort is needed to focus on what really matters to each and every one of us, our freedom.

  22. avatarSkyler says:

    I think this is a much more credible review than the other. Thank you. It was hard to believe that a weapon was as bad as he described it.

  23. avatarDJ9 says:

    For a book-length review that concludes with a 5-star, “Outstanding, pure and simple” accuracy rating, you’d think that a person might be able to find something about the level of accuracy with various loads, perhaps even a list of loads tested along with distances and group sizes IN THE REVIEW. Now, I didn’t read the previous review, so perhaps it was covered there, but as this was supposed to be a “corrective” review, I wouldn’t think that depending on any aspect of the previous write-up would be considered logical.

    No one would have missed half of the history lesson, and some solid info on accuracy of the gun under review would have been far more useful, IMO. 5-stars is a top-of-the-line rating; it would have been nice to actually hear/see what it took to earn it.

    • avatarJoe Grine says:

      You make a valid point. I guess when I wrote the article I was doing so in the context of a rebuttal to Nick’s article. Nick did post some photos showcasing the accuracy of the pistol, and since we did not disagree on that point, I assumed that Nick’s photos and text would suffice. I will try to update the article and get some of my photos as well.

  24. avatarGov. William J. Le Petomane says:

    Seems like a handgun for people who aren’t comfortable with either a 1911 or a Beretta 92. In practice the DA+ mode should work like my (personal carry weapon) Taurus PT709 which precocks the striker then there’s a light 1/2″ of take up before a short throw that engages the trigger safety and fires. It has a safety and I wouldn’t carry it without one.

    But I’m a big fan of safeties. The way I see it most people get a little too worked up about a potential quick draw situation that is statistically extremely unlikely to ever occur. If you practice even a little bit, disabling the safety should be automatic, even on the Beretta 92 (you just flick your thumb up – I don’t see what’s so hard about that). That 1/10th of a second it takes would be significant in one gun fight out of a million, and the odds any of us will be involved in a gun fight in the first place is pretty remote. The odds that you will have a brain fart with your booger finger is significantly higher.

  25. avatarHinshelworld says:

    Does the gun have a conventional decocker? Or if you want to carry it in DA do you have to drop the hammer by hand?

  26. avatarTotenglocke says:

    I’ll go get Nick some ice for that burn!

  27. avatarJohn says:

    Author is spot on in his assessment, and some of you guys need to get real. Going after him because of the OFWG blurb is just silly. Reading comprehension is important.

  28. avatarJohn says:

    Awesome! Bout time people got past that line of thinking. I own colts, Brownings and garands but they are not the end all be all of gun design. Now if they would get over that line of thinking of preserving firearms in a state of decay. Saying a firearm is worth less because it was refinished or restored and is not original is weird.

  29. avatarjames says:

    Jim B, you notice, the comments got selective?

  30. avatarAmarante says:

    .40 cal?
    Where??????

    • avatarJoe Grine says:

      Correction made – the .40 S&W and .45acp versions are not released yet.

      • avatarAmarante says:

        Are they announced?

        I live in Brazil so I can`t buy 9×19 firearms for sport-shooting. (IPSC – Production [not uspsa])

        • avatarJoe Grine says:

          Not formally. The guys at Lionheart told me that they will be out by next year or so.

      • avatarJake Dorsey says:

        Did the reps say whether they have to rework the weapons at all to accommodate the higher pressures of .40 and the size of .45? I.e., are they going to use the same frame for all three weapons, or is retooling required?

  31. avatarCloset Gun Nut says:

    Outstanding review!

    I really look forward to your PPX review too. I picked one up recently and have been very pleased with it

    I’m also a happy model 39 owner and enjoyed see it referenced in this article.

  32. avatarSteve Mac says:

    I’ve owned the DP51C compact version of this pistol for about 15 years, back when it was imported by Century (which was about the 4th importer, after KBI, Kimber, and a couple of others). I’ve carried it in a Galco paddle holster marked for the S&W 69 series, fits perfectly. The hammer-down/precocked feature was derived from the FN “Quick Action”/SFS system for the Hi-Power, and is a real benefit, very quick into action, IF you’re willing to practice enough to develop the unique trigger discipline it requires. I always use the thumb safety when carrying, and have never found it too small or hard to hit (you just lay your thumb along the slide and sweep down). Having said that, I’m right handed, but the ambi left-hand safety lever is only about 1/2 the size, so might be a problem for lefties. Last thing, I only use stainless S&W factory 12-round 69-series magazines, which actually fit a bit better than the 10-round Clintonized Daewoo mags, but you MUST swap out the Daewoo followers into the S&W mags for the slide stop to lock open when last shot’s fired, the S&W followers have the surface to lift the slide stop lever positioned too low to engage the Daewoo slide stop. Swap followers and everything is fine.

  33. avatarGI_JoJo says:

    Based on reading this review, and re-reading Leghorn’s earlier review I am much more inclined to ignore the rating that Leghorn initially gave to the Lionheart.

    Honestly, it’s all three stars and up until BAM! Nick no like safety! Then all the good points, the accuracy and reliability, the trigger, all of it goes out the window. Right alongside Nick’s objectivity.

    I’m forced to conclude that Leghorn had himself a FUDD moment when reviewing this firearm now that there’s something against which to compare it the line of reasoning that led to a one star rating is obvious.

    New -> unique -> unfamiliar -> evil and unsafe!!!

    Ridiculous effort by an otherwise reliable source.

  34. avatarrevjen45 says:

    Yes, I am an OFWG, Old Fart, and a dinosaur. That’s because I have lived long enough and consumed enough adult malt beverages to earn those titles. BTW, the dinosaurs were the most successful group of fauna since the beginning of life on Earth. (Top of the heap for twice as long as they have been gone, and if you consider birds to be dinosaurs they aren’t gone yet.) Just because I light incense on my JMB shrine doesn’t mean I think guns made somewhere else suck.
    Back when they were imported I had the chance to shoot a DP-51 and wanted one very much, but money issues meant it was not to be.
    Now, we need to convince Lionheart to take up production of the K2 rifle.

  35. avatarGapp says:

    Nice review Joe.
    I had an eye out before this gun came out and was able to test one, and I can say, it is a quality firearm. There is nothing about it that makes you feel they cut corners or tried to save time or money, much like a Sig. Machining is top notch, as slide to barrel and barrel to slide fit is fantastic. I personally like the trigger setup, and the DA+ action may confuse many people by description, but once you use it, it makes perfect sense.
    Nick’s review also had me a bit confused, so Im glad to see you respond. He does have a huge bias against anything that doesnt have a giant paddle as a safety, if it has one at all. The LH9′s safety was easy and natural to click off upon draw from a holster, I had no issues finding it or using it, but my carry gun has a similar sized safety in roughly the same place, so I have trained to do so.
    As for the accuracy comment(s)…the LH9 is a *very* accurate gun that points naturally.
    While im not a huge fan of the $700 price tag, it should come down in time, just as the XDm’s did (650+ down to $540ish)
    I do love that they Cerakote them though, the color along with the grips and slide serrations make for a very attractive gun IMO.
    Anyone who had interest in this gun prior, I can say from personal experience dont base your decision off Nick’s, if anything, try and see or fire one in person, because I would also give the LH9 at least 4 stars.

  36. avatarMichael Bull says:

    I’ve actually shot both the LH9 and the LH9c. I did better with the compact. My girl shot the compact as well. She hasn’t shot a pistol in a few years, and she shot a straight up and down column with a spread about 5″.

    I didn’t mess with the Double Action +, I was just trying to get comfortable with the gun. Without the extra feature, it’s a fine gun, you’d never notice anything different.

    The price may be a tad on the high side, but the Cerakote and carry bag are a definite improvement over most other offerings. The folks at Lionheart are great. They also have (or had) a survey on which would be the next LH caliber; I believe .45 is the next release.

    I suggested to DJ at LH to offer special Cerakote colors for universities. I wouldn’t mind a Purple & Gold LH9c. :D

    • avatarg says:

      Purple and Gold? You a U-Dub Husky or a LSU Tiger? ;)

      • avatarIng says:

        My first thought was the UW Huskies, but the gold combo says LSU.

        Either way, wrong choice. :)

        Crimson and gray is the only way to go. If you really want to do it right, engrave “Go Cougs!” on one side of the slide and “509″ on the other.

        • avatarJake Dorsey says:

          Go Cougs indeed!

          Crimson and gray would be a sexy combination on that gun.

  37. avatarOldman says:

    Great review Joe! You gained a fan because of your style, the comparisons and history…… plus your sense of humor….. some people just don’t get it….. like many, I never heard of Daewoo firearms…. until yesterday when held one at my LGS. liked thefeatures and the way it felt, so it went home….. I have a nice Firestar 40, but my wife is unable to cycle it…… she is able to operate the DP51 and had more confidence in its safe operation… Thanks again for your review for the Lionheart! Dan

  38. avatarGreg Heller says:

    After a long search to find something that fit my big hand, but also wouldn’t require my wife to start body building training, we purchased a Lionheart LH9C in early April, 2013. A few days after I purchased it, I read Nick’s review of the LH9 and thought to my self that I had probably made a big mistake. We took it to the range shortly there after and I was not only pleasantly surprised with it’s performance, but I wondered where Nick had his head when he wrote his viewpoint. Ammo being what it is to find, I was lucky to find some cheap stuff and crossed my fingers all the way to the range. We put 100 rounds downrange and not one problem. It was kind of like the old Polaroid cameras…. Point and shoot. Very accurate, and I was surprised how smoothly everything worked. My friend was with us with his Walther PPK 380 and that little gun kicked a whole lot worse than my LH9C.

    I don’t regret my purchase at all. I like the double action+. I pull the hammer back with my thumb and slide the safety off and I’m ready to fire. Using the trigger to reset the hammer is going to take a little practice and a lot more than a 100 rounds to get use to. My wife was very impressed with it and her targets revealed that I might need to practice a little more if I want to keep up. Thanks Joe for the great review…. You got it right!!!

  39. avatarJoseph C says:

    I suppose the make or break factor for me is, can you use this as a plain double/single action pistol? Or are you limited to “double action+” and single action? I personally don’t see any use for the “double action+” and feel it’s little more than a gimmick. My local range has several of these in, and they do feel quite nice in my hand. I’ll have to fond… I mean look at them again next time I’m in.

    • avatarJoe Grine says:

      As I said in the article, you can use it as a single action or a double action, whatever you prefer. The “double action +” is strictly optional.

  40. avatarRoger says:

    Daewoo DP51

  41. avataraegis808 says:

    I’m glad to see a second opinion on the LH9. No disrespect to nick but his review seemed a contradicting with the safety issues he was worried about. I hope lionheart gets to expand and continue bringing over high quality guns from Korea. From what i saw in the test firing target that came with my LH9C it looks like there are plans for an LH40 and LH45

    http://imgur.com/LcgHcur

  42. avatarMikeA@WV says:

    I couldn’t care less about the OFWG thing, what I want is simple. Will someone, anyone, for the love of god, PLEASE tell me what the trigger reset on the LH9 is like? It’s advertised as having a “short reset trigger”. Are we talking short reset like a Sig SRT? Or are we talking something more along the lines of a stock CZ 75b / Sig 226? The trigger reset is the only thing keeping me from placing an order with Lionheart Ind.. Any advice or experience would be appreciated.

    • avatarJosh says:

      Mike,

      The trigger reset on the LH9 is about the length of the Sig Sauer Short Reset Trigger (SRT). It is much shorter and crisper than standard Sig Sauer, CZ and Beretta triggers. It’s one of the best stock trigger resets on the market today. If you have any other questions, please feel free to email us at wecare@lionheartindustries.com or call us at 888-552-4743.

      Best,

      Josh

  43. avatarDeeDeeMao says:

    The “Double Action Plus” sounds like an improvement over what Jeff Cooper called “Crunchentickers” AKA pistols with DA/SA heavy trigger pull first round trigger systems which were intended to somehow compensate for a lack of training when Issued to military personnel, and this mindset still exists today as evidenced by the US military’s choice of the DA/SA Beretta 92 as it’s service pistol.

    But I’d be interested in one if they chambered it in 40 S&W since I have no need for any other 9mm pistol besides my model 19 Glock which has had it’s DAO striker-fired trigger re-worked by a master gunsmith and certified Glock armorer,.

  44. avatarJeremy says:

    Sure were a lot of butt-hurt pansies posting here.
    I somewhat resemble the OFWG remark, but don’t care about it.

    I have a DR200 and a DP51.
    Both are fantastic guns. Both are improvements over their predecessors.

    The Jamomatic 15 and Block fanbois are missing out.
    Too bad for them. Good for me.

    The DP isn’t my #1 favorite CC piece, but it is in the top 3 (for autos, anyway. I usually CC revolvers)

    Excellent write-up and review.
    Maybe I should get mine Cera Coated and put some LH9 grip panels on it.

  45. avatarJoe Molinaro says:

    I totally agree with the author, Joe Grine. And unlike most of the whiners who seem to have trouble with fact based reality, I speak from first hand experience. I own a Lion Heart LH9. It is super piece and well worth possessing. If I only had one 9mm hand gun in my collection, this would be my weapon of choice.

  46. avatarg says:

    2014 Update: Bought a Lionheart LH9 and I’m far from disappointed… very impressed with both the gun and the customer service from the company. Great pistol!

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  48. avatarPolytech67 says:

    The author is correct about this weapon platform. I purchased a Daewoo DP51 back in the 90′s on the recommendation from a retired Army Gunny. He said ‘If you want a great pistol for a great price, that most will overlook, buy a DP51′. At that time, I had a 5906, Browning HP, and an RSR 6590 (of which, I still have). The pistol I carry, and take to the range, is the Daewoo. It is lighter, more accurate, and never fails to function. And I have never had an issue with the ‘triple action’ mode. My only regret with this weapon is that I did not buy two more before they were discontinued. I paid $298 out the door, with (2) 14 round mags. I will buy a lionheart soon if it is truly better than the DP51.

  49. avatarBD says:

    I read the first review on this gun, the one star and was totally floored! I had a DP51 and it was a totally decent gun, in fact, it made me want to buy my first 3rd Gen S&W, a 5906, which led to the 4506, 4006, and a 6906. I don’t have the DP51 any more, but the Lionheart looks like a pistol I will be adding to my collection one of these days.

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