Gun Review: USFA ZiP .22LR

109 responses

  1. avatar
    Jake
    April 5, 2013

    That is an astoundingly poor design. How did that not get laughed down before it left the drawing board?

  2. avatar
    Matt in Atl
    April 5, 2013

    Your post-upgrade experience mimicks mine to a “t”. Fun when it runs, but frustrating and dangerous when it doesn’t. The mangled brass I was getting was nothing short of extraordinary.

    I’m not ready to throw in the towel just yet, though. There is a 200 rd break-in period, and there is also notes on the website about reassembly that I missed post-upgrade (there needs to be some space around the triangle charging rods). Given that I’m an early adopter, I can’t get too upset and have to think they’ll get it worked out.

    The “WTF” looks at the range are priceless, though.

    • avatar
      JMS
      April 5, 2013

      I assembled VERY carefully, per instructions that Doug (the inventor) gave me. Did it multiple times, in fact, with the same results. I even had three barrels and other spare parts and had the same results (or worse). What you see in the embedded video is the best it has ever run. There are some other videos I put up where you can see other results (worse) and assembly notes, etc etc.

      BTW — by the end of the video that’s in this review, I was approaching 200 rounds through it….

      • avatar
        Matt in Atl
        April 5, 2013

        Ah, well there goes that theory.

        I think I’m going to disassemble, again, and Froglube whatever I can. That stuff has done wonders for my GSG-1911 that wouldn’t run.

      • avatar
        Bear
        April 5, 2013

        I’d be fundamentally disdainful of a firearm that takes that much tinkering just to work correctly.

  3. avatar
    Gyufygy
    April 5, 2013

    Upgrade Kits? Not running with Ruger factory mags without another upgrade kit? Sounds dangerously like the “ship it, we’ll fix it with a patch at some point!” mentality that has been spreading through the computer games industry like herpes. Not sure about the rest of the software industry. Either way, it sounds like they are knowingly shipping a fundamentally flawed product when “upgrade kits” are popping up this quickly. It’s bad enough with software, but hardware? No. No. No. On top of the scary placement of the bolt… rod… thingies? No thank you.

    I’m also trying to figure out the purpose of this firearm. Innovation is nice, but what it the point?

    • avatar
      TR
      April 5, 2013

      People in the computer games industry get herpes?

      • avatar
        Gyufygy
        April 5, 2013

        Hookers and blow, baby~

      • avatar
        Chris from Iowa
        April 5, 2013

        Convention booth babes are technically associated with the industry I guess.

      • avatar
        rosignol
        April 5, 2013

        If they’re lucky.

  4. avatar
    Aharon
    April 5, 2013

    Five stars because it has a style all its own? I went to a restaurant for lunch yesterday. It had a style all its own and was the worst food that I’ve ever eaten. It doesn’t deserve five stars. Maybe five negative stars.

    “USFA says ZiP is the code for The Future of Fun”
    My .22cal Browning Buckmark Camper pistol is plenty fun. It is also reliable, accurate, and comfortable to hold.

    I would never insult .22cal ammo by shooting it out of a gun like the Zip Sh*t.

    • avatar
      JMS
      April 5, 2013

      Style is aesthetic-only. Your food tasting bad is not related to how it looks ;-)

    • avatar
      Chris from Iowa
      April 5, 2013

      I honestly believe that “USFA says ZiP is the code for The Future of Fun”
      is probably the worst buzz phrase that I have ever heard come out of any marketing department. Probably coined by the guy that drew this thing up.

    • avatar
      R.J.
      December 20, 2013

      For whatever reason, my brain didn’t process the final “n” when I read “USFA says ZiP is the code for The Future of Fun.” At first I thought you’d made a fun joke at USFA’s expense, but seeing as you didn’t, now *I* get to!

      “ZiP is the code for The Future of F.U.”

      HA! I’M HILARIOUS! Anyway, I’m still sad to see that the ZiP’s aspirations for innovation came with so many fatal flaws. I genuinely hope they get it working like butter, or at least fail so spectacularly that their gun becomes a rare collectible that earns them millions.

  5. avatar
    Big C
    April 5, 2013

    I still have no idea why anybody would ever want this? What’s it for? Please enlighten me!

    • avatar
      JMS
      April 5, 2013

      Plinking. Target shooting. Shooting squirrels or whatever if you’re into that sort of thing. Same as any other .22 pistol, really. Many people have Ruger 10/22 rifles, so if this ZiP would run properly it would be fun to have a pistol that used the same magazines and ammo as your rifle. It does shoot straight, so it would be a perfectly practical and very unique looking .22 lr pistol if it can be made to run properly…

  6. avatar
    Gyufygy
    April 5, 2013

    On the plus side, yay reviews! :D

    • avatar
      Ing
      April 5, 2013

      Yes, this. It’s good to see something that reminds me that there’s fun to be had with guns.

      • avatar
        William Burke
        April 5, 2013

        Seems like its purpose is built around fun. It’s interesting, very starship trooper in appearance. Let us all know after the break-in period, please.

        The rifle stock option seems a plus also.

    • avatar
      Swarf
      April 5, 2013

      Yup.

  7. avatar
    Jim R
    April 5, 2013

    It’s an interesting little thing, but I think I”ll wait for them to get the kinks worked out before I put any money down.

  8. avatar
    zjmilroy
    April 5, 2013

    It looks like it was invented so people will buy a tax stamp, I would rather buy a suppressor for a .22 that I know is going to work reliably.

    • avatar
      ChainsawWieldingManiac
      April 5, 2013

      I am hoping to buy one of these, SBR it, and then run it under my AR-15 or shotgun while suppressed with a laser. Just for lolz. I love the concept of a flexible little 22lr SBR that I can just mount on anything.

      But they’ve really got to make this thing work right first. And, to be blunt, v2 also needs to dispense with the rods and go with a normal charging handle, preferably non-reciprocating.

  9. avatar
    Bob
    April 5, 2013

    Well it’s certainly not another 1911 clone.

  10. avatar
    Ben
    April 5, 2013

    How hard would it really be to mold in a slot in the left side, and move the operating rod to a left side configuration. As it is, there’s no way I would buy this, it looks like the exact opposite of safety.

  11. avatar
    Legitimate Sportsmen
    April 5, 2013

    The style kind of reminds me of a Babylon 5 ‘PGP’

  12. avatar
    Adam
    April 5, 2013

    I really want a pistol that takes 10/22 mags. The tech-22 was junk I’m led to believe, the ruger Charger is too heavy to shoot offhand (maybe I could get a lighter barrel and stock but that’s extra money), and then there is this abomination. Why make a handgun without a hand grip?

    • avatar
      Aharon
      April 5, 2013

      The Charger was discontinued a few months ago.

  13. avatar
    Ben
    April 5, 2013

    I think I’m missing something here… like what the point of this is.

    • avatar
      Pantera Vazquez
      April 5, 2013

      The idea was to create a .22 with multiple options as to how it is used. As a handgun, as an attachment to a carbine, or as a Short Barrel Rifle. Interesting concept. Concepts however mean squat if the item in question is not reliable straight out of the box.

  14. avatar
    Ensitue
    April 5, 2013

    Call it the “Biden Shotgun sorta thing, with no shoulder thingy that goes up”

  15. avatar
    LTC F
    April 5, 2013

    I don’t know what niche this was supposed to fill, but after I saw this: http://www.wallsofthecity.net/2013/03/usfa-zip-not-a-review.html

    I’m even less likely to risk my digits with this thing.

    • avatar
      JMS
      April 5, 2013

      After reading that, I was told that Remington Gold has a problem with case heads blowing out regardless of whether they are fully chambered or not. Also, that it was extremely, extremely difficult to actually ignite a rimfire round without it being fully chambered due to needing support on the far side of the rim in order for the firing pin to squish it — otherwise, the rim just bends when hit and it doesn’t ignite.

      In the embedded video, I actually try to fire it out of battery at 10:15 into the vid. Check it out. And… a second time in this YT video: YWnet7frg6U

      So… not conclusive evidence or anything, but I couldn’t make it happen.

    • avatar
      DJ
      April 5, 2013

      D@@@mn! That would make me steer clear of it, too.

    • avatar
      Leo338
      April 5, 2013

      Faulty ammo or not the response given by the CEO/Inventor of this POS is unacceptable! This pretty much sums up the conversation. Much of the conversation was Mr. Donnelly telling me why the ZiP was revolutionary / original / superior / advanced / fun / etc.

      There is a good chance this guy will be facing a class action lawsuit. I just hope no one is seriously injured due to this product and a CEO that is unwilling to take responsibility and believes it is perfectly fine to blame any and everything else besides his piss poor design.

    • avatar
      William Burke
      April 5, 2013

      Wow, THAT’S endearing – a manufacturer that blames the victim.

  16. avatar
    16V
    April 5, 2013

    An ergonomic trainwreck that requires you to you to place your fingers almost to the muzzle when attempting to “cock” or better yet, “reset”. Enjoy those fingertips while you have them kids.

    Perfect accessory for the mall ninja crowd AR though – “You dawg, we heard you like w@nker-railed popguns. So we put a miniature w@nker-railed popgun on your w@nker-railed popgun! “

  17. avatar
    Pantera Vazquez
    April 5, 2013

    One might be able to see the potential if not for all the flaws. The controls that force one to put hands in the area of the barrel is definitely a non-starter, too many potential trips to the ER just waiting to happen. It works with 10-22 mags, BUT you gotta BUY an additional gadget first. I tried to purchase when first announced, yet thankfully the factory was having issues on delivery. I say thankfully because since then not one single review which I have seen or read has fallen on the positive side. I will wait until the folks on the design crew figure out how to fix the flaws, making it safe and reliable out of the box, which should be the norm for any item-particularly a firearm.

  18. avatar
    Human Being
    April 5, 2013

    “suffice it to say that only the right side of the frame’s “clamshell” is serialized, and ZiPFactory has future plans for things you can do by swapping out the left side”

    You cannot be telling me they plan to release a wrist-mountable .22 pistol…

    • avatar
      NeonCat
      April 5, 2013

      Head mounted. Strap it to your right temple, put a GoPro on your forehead and pretend you’re a robot assassin from the future.

      • avatar
        Accur81
        April 5, 2013

        That’s scarier than sharks with freakin laser beams.

      • avatar
        William Burke
        April 5, 2013

        Or sharks with embedded chainsaws. They can cut you up into more bite-sized pieces.

  19. avatar
    Evan
    April 5, 2013

    This is another answer in search of a question type of invention.

  20. avatar
    Aharon
    April 5, 2013

    When ammo inventories and prices eventually go back to normal levels, $200 msrp; ok lets say $180 street price will buy the equivalent of nine bricks of 22LR or about 4,500LR rounds. I’d rather have that amount of ammo in my home storage.

    • avatar
      Stinkeye
      April 6, 2013

      By the time bricks of .22LR are $20 again, we’ll all be using laser pistols…

  21. avatar
    Charles
    April 5, 2013

    I strongly believe in the rule to keep the barrel pointed in a safe direction and do NOT consider my hand to be a safe direction. The reliability problems may be able to be addressed but the location of the operating rods is a complete fail.

  22. avatar
    Pulatso
    April 5, 2013

    Finally, a gun ergonomically designed for people who like to clutch things instead of simply holding them.

  23. avatar
    Swarf
    April 5, 2013

    This is what happens when Wall-E gets constipated.

  24. avatar
    Azimuth
    April 5, 2013

    After all the liberal anti-gun caterwauling about how too many toy guns look too real, now we see a company that’s doing its level best to make a real gun look like a toy. This is the creators of Doom, Duke Nuke ‘em, and Halo trying to design a real gun. If you were a LEO, and you saw a kid with this ZiP, would you think it was a real gun?

    Q: Do we really want or need guns that look like they came from, and were specifically designed for, a post apocalyptic world where life is one big FPS, Hell on Earth?

  25. avatar
    Highvoltage
    April 5, 2013

    I’ll stick with my MkIII. Cheap to shoot, very accurate, reliable, and very customizable.

    Oh, it doesn’t look nearly as ridiculous, dangerous, and I’ll conceived as this POS.

  26. avatar
    Chris Hazelton
    April 5, 2013

    I know everybody is kind of crapping on this thing… But I still want one. It’s a weakness, I know, but I have a thing for Bizarre guns, useful or not. I love the answers to questions that were never asked. For that reason alone, with the price as cheap as it is, I want one of these in my collection just for the conversation value.

    • avatar
      JMS
      April 5, 2013

      Hey Chris, you can buy mine along with my Cobray Pocket Pal and get two awesome conversation pieces in one shot :-)

      • avatar
        Ryan M
        May 22, 2013

        How much I am a collector too. Rarities and oddballs are some of my favorites I have plenty of well funtioning firearms I need to add a couple more f#$k ups. lol

  27. avatar
    Shenandoah
    April 5, 2013

    Dafuq is that thing?

    • avatar
      Lucas D.
      April 5, 2013

      Hey, I knew Dafuq, he ran the felafel stand on 4th street for years. He had an ugly wife, four ugly kids, and good felafel!

      But this Zip thingy, I dunno… Looks more like a jigsaw than a pistol, and I already have a Colt/Umarex 1911-22 anyhow, so I’m set. If I wanted another .22LR range toy, though, I’d just save up and buy a GSG-5.

      • avatar
        Shenandoah
        April 5, 2013

        Heh well played, sir.

  28. avatar
    adm.fookbar
    April 5, 2013

    I love it. I really do. Its utterly ridiculous, outside the box, and finally an interesting thing to stick under my rifle.

    If I had disposable income for this and a tax stamp, I’d do it in a heart beat.

  29. avatar
    g
    April 5, 2013

    I like innovation, but it’s sad to hear there’s so many problems. I wonder if the design would have worked better if it had been around a centerfire cartridge instead of 22LR? I guess that would defeat the purpose of it being a “fun” gun… though these days, I’m having more problems finding 22LR than 9mm…

  30. avatar
    JMS
    April 5, 2013

    Forgot to mention in the write-up, somehow, but the ZiP has no extractor at all. While it ‘extracts’ just fine, I actually think ejection would be more reliable if there were an extractor holding the case against the breech face up to the point where the ejector (which is a notch in the feed lip of the 10/22 magazine) kicks it out.

    • avatar
      Chris
      July 22, 2013

      Some pin forces itself through the recoil block to kick the spent casing out. good luck finding a load that will kick the block back hard enough to eject properly. 18 loads and counting, 300 rounds and 5 range days in… Mine still won’t cycle more than 3 rounds of anything, with either sets of springs. I even read the reviews, and thought it could be figured out. If endlessly fiddling and constant disappointment interests you, you should pick one up

      • avatar
        Roger
        July 22, 2013

        As I said May 26th, Mine works well with the 10 rd mags and Blazer ammo. Only problem I have now is finding the ammo to feed the Zip.

      • avatar
        JMS
        September 7, 2013

        Hey Chris, that’s incorrect. That pin that sticks through the hole in the recoil body is the striker itself. It does stick through its channel when the recoil body is fully back in its travel, but the empty case has (in theory) already been kicked out at that point. The Ruger 10/22 has no ejector, and the ZiP continues this design by using the notches in the magazine feed lips as the ejector. That’s what those notches are there for, as designed by Ruger. So you could say it has an ejector just like the 10/22, it’s just not part of the gun, it’s part of the magazine. However, the 10/22 does have an extractor. Some of the ZiP’s ejection problems are almost certainly due to the case bouncing off the recoil body and not contacting the magazine notch in the exact correct attitude to kick out properly. Too much left to chance in this design.

        As an update while I’m posting here and a bit of a response to Roger above, I sold the ZiP. However, before doing so and after writing the review I did keep trying to get it to work for a while longer. I used the CORRECT Blazer ammo, multiple factory mags, multiple upgrade kits, three barrels, every combo possible of the recoil springs, different lubes, etc etc etc and it never ran any better than in the video that’s up in the review. Forget it.

  31. avatar
    2Wheels
    April 5, 2013

    This has got to be one of the silliest firearms ideas I’ve seen in a long time, even if it they could get it to work reliably.

    Mount it on a rifle (and pay $200 bucks)? Why? Their promotional vid on their site calls it a “battlefield advantage”… I nearly fell out of my seat laughing. Yes, when my rifle runs dry I can instantly switch to a .22LR pistol… Come on…

    Pay $200 to make it a rifle? Again, why? For Zip+SBR fees+stock I could get a .22LR rifle AND pistol, and they’d actually be reliable!

    Use it as a pistol? Maybe if it worked, but personally I’d prefer a conventional design.

  32. avatar
    Matt in Atl
    April 5, 2013

    I wonder if the poly bolt is to blame for some of the issues. As you mentioned in the review, it seems as though the gun out runs itself when cycling.

    • avatar
      JMS
      April 5, 2013

      There are two real ways to effectively give the magazine more time to lift the next round into place:

      1) Add bolt overtravel. By allowing it to run back beyond the point where it passes behind the next round, stop, and then run forwards again to where it strips that round out, you add time. Most guns have overtravel built into them. My other .22′s have a solid 1/2″ or so of bolt travel behind where the breech face touches the rim of a round in the magazine. The ZiP has essentially none. This can’t be changed due to the design. Well… if the bolt could be shortened front-to-back by shortening down the back side of it, specifically, then anything you take off the back could be turned into more travel ability.

      2) Add mass. The bolt and the charging rods reciprocate. If the combined weight is heavier, the bolt speed would slow down. This was the “trick up my sleeve” that I was going to test but did not. I have some weights that I was going to stick to the ends of the charging rods and add mass until it either started working better or stopped working. I didn’t get around to this, but may still try it out. My main concern with this approach is that the gun has no extractor, so the bolt speed may be necessary for the empty brass to hit up against the ejector and get kicked out. As is, it does not eject with much authority or consistency. I can only assume that slowing the bolt down will make this worse, or even result in empty brass never fully leaving the chamber.

      So… I think #1 is a better option. However, you can’t simply extend the size of the “receiver” because it would mean moving your hand back away from the trigger. It’s a comfortable reach for me now (size L men’s gloves), but any longer and it would become a stretch. So… it’s a tough one and it would have to happen internally. What I suggested above is the only way I can actually see it happening, and it would also only require a small change (a new bolt).

  33. avatar
    TheSleeperHasAwakened
    April 5, 2013

    Since it has no extractor, I wonder if it is ammo sensitive like a Beretta 21A, which pretty much only runs reliably on Stingers.

  34. avatar
    JTwig
    April 5, 2013

    This is disappointing; I have yet to see good review for this firearm, and I was actually excited about it when I first found out about it. While it is unique (which is a polite way of saying ugly yet intriguing) looking, it was the rumors about its customization and the price that really got my attention. I would love to have a .22LR pistol that I could attach to a stock for an instant long gun, even if it looks like it was made by the producers of Halo.

  35. avatar
    TRUTHY
    April 5, 2013

    I have had nothing but trouble with mine. Have talked to Doug thru email and on the phone. He’s a good guy. I also installed the update kit with no success. My Zip is currently at the mothership per Doug’s request.

    As crazy as it looks, it really does shoot accurately, the problem is somewhere in the feeding department. I have tried 3 different mags, the BX1 (two new ones), the BX25 (two new ones), and the HC3R (two new ones) with no luck. It wouldn’t even strip the rounds out of the BX1.

    I will post on here once I hear back and get some time with it.

    To all those calling it a joke, shoot one and it will put a smile on your face. At least for a round or two, til it jams. But I have hope that they’ll work the bugs out.

    One more thing, when I left the LGS with it, I opened the box and showed my wife. She then said she thought I was going to buy a pistol. She thought it was an accessory for an AR.

    • avatar
      TheSleeperHasAwakened
      April 5, 2013

      So is it ammo sensitive? My Beretta Bobcat only likes Stingers and runs flawlessly on ‘em because it will reliably cycle the action and spit out the spent case. Whereas any other .22 lr ammo doesn’t cycle the action fully and/or spit out spent brass.

      Just my thoughts since niether of these firearms have extractors if that’s what’s happening.

      • avatar
        JMS
        April 5, 2013

        The Blazer Bulk that I tested is supposed to be the best bulk ammo for ideal function in this gun. The CCI Stingers are supposed to be the best among premium ammo. I ran both of those with equal results. Ran Winchester and Federal as well with worse results (these are both weaker than even Blazer Bulk). Maybe there is a combination of spring choice/configuration and ammo choice that gets it to work better, but I haven’t found it yet and I’m honestly not sure how much time I want to invest. It is supposed to run reliably with the Blazers and the springs that I had installed — it’s sort of a best case scenario. And… the results are in the video. It runs okay but not well enough that I would ever allow somebody who wasn’t a very experienced shooter to use it. Too much chance for an accident due to a jam if the shooter doesn’t have an extremely deep-rooted instinct to keep the gun pointed in the right direction and take their finger off the trigger. IMHO.

  36. avatar
    Jake F.
    April 5, 2013

    I actually kind of like the design apart from the charging rods. May pick one up once the problems get sorted out.

    • avatar
      Swarf
      April 5, 2013

      Maybe you are supposed to charge it by punching someone in the face with it?

      • avatar
        JMS
        April 5, 2013

        Or you can do a “tactical cock” on the edge of a hard object.

      • avatar
        Duzt
        April 5, 2013

        thats why the rods are there, duh! so after you shoot your fingers off you can still cock it

  37. avatar
    Rokurota
    April 5, 2013

    Cheers for the “Grand Day Out” reference!

  38. avatar
    Joseph
    April 5, 2013

    Looks like someone tried to design a turd that would shoot, only it doesn’t.

  39. avatar
    Aaronvan
    April 5, 2013

    something that worried me guns.com reviewed it and found theirs was actually firing TWO ROUND BURST from the factory… did you guys see any of that?

  40. avatar
    gringito
    April 5, 2013

    Futuristic but the death of ergonomics!

  41. avatar
    deusvult
    April 6, 2013

    You do reviews of this crap but still havent completed one of the M&P 9 or 40??? Eye roll… not impressed guys. How about reviewing some firearms we would actually purchase…

  42. avatar
    Russ Bixby
    April 6, 2013

    ‘Dafuq?

  43. avatar
    Jeh
    April 6, 2013

    Reminds me of that gun from the GRFS live action trailers, only tiny.

  44. avatar
    whit
    April 11, 2013

    This is the greatest example of tacticool jumping the shark that I have yet seen.

    ZIP .22.

    OPERATOR.

    …Hahaha

  45. avatar
    Roger
    May 25, 2013

    Could not get my Zip Pistol from USFA to function. It was returned post paid to CT where they updated. Returned with extras. A rail and a box of CCI Blazer 22 Ammo. Great company who is trying to get their new gun working. Will test Sunday and tell you all.
    Life of a collector beta tester to be the first on my block!!!

  46. avatar
    Roger
    May 26, 2013

    Got it back from USFA. Came back upgraded with a box ov CCI Blazer 22LR (Can’t find any in my area.) which they recommended using. One of my 2 BX-1 mags that I fitted to the pistol worked perfecty. The other mag will get a little more TLC.

    I accually got 10 rounds in a row a bunch of times.

    The spring for lower vol ammo is in the ZIP. I tried my CCI Min Max ammo (I Have a few thousands on hand.) An empty shell casing not ejecting fully got jammed above the live round being loaded into the chamer and stopped the action. So all in all I can say it does work.

  47. avatar
    www.losportales.com.pe
    June 10, 2013

    I have not had a drag in for many years. The most severe thing relating to giving up may be the 1st 1 to 2 weeks. Luckily this stuff didnt last long and stuff got easier day-to-day thanks to the e-cigarettes. Please dont surrender. Please keep going with it and you can realize success once and for all.

  48. avatar
    Trigger
    July 12, 2013

    the MPA master piece arms MPA22T is a piece of shit also

    • avatar
      Roger
      July 12, 2013

      What does a MPA have yo do with a ZIP? If you call the MPA a brown ,stinkey turd you handle. The Zip is not…

  49. avatar
    PeterC
    July 29, 2013

    I understand that USFA has ceased production of all but this ZiP22 oddity, which is a shame. I tried every variety of .22 LR ammo in this gun, from Eley target to MiniMags, CCI Blazer, Winchester M22s, you name it. Reliable function is just not in this beast. It has no extractor, and needs one desperately. It has the ergonomics of a brick, the trigger pull of a caulking gun and no accuracy to speak of. I don’t know what the designers were thinking. If this is “The Future of Fun,” I want to die right now!

    • avatar
      Roger
      July 29, 2013

      USFA stopped SAA production a couple years ago.

      As I said my ZIP works Mine went bact to USFA,
      I use the recommended Blazer as i said and it works with the 10rd mage. Only problem I have now is finding more Blazer .22′s. Just aint out there at reasonable price
      It has a place in my unique guns colection. No regrets and i am glad i have it.

  50. avatar
    Todd
    August 1, 2013

    What about holster options for this… thing??? I don’t think that leather snap-side/thumb-break would be very appropriate for it!

    • avatar
      roger
      August 2, 2013

      Todd do you have a ZIP. This is a unusual fun gun. I would not want to carry a 22 as a concealed carry gun. I see no reason for a holster.Go to USFA ZIP web page.

      • avatar
        Todd
        August 2, 2013

        No Roger, I do not own one as of yet. I’ve been teetering on to get it or not and upon reading reviews I stumbled here. The thought about a holster isn’t to conceal it by any means. By the looks and feel of it, I think it would be easier to shove a brick down my pants! However, to carry it when not directly firing it or if one chooses to use it for transition drills, you /they WOULD need some sort of holster. I was briefly on their site but, must have missed what you are trying to direct me towards. I didn’t see anything about holstering.

      • avatar
        roger
        August 2, 2013

        Very Important. If you do buy one make sure it is of current production sr. # as it will than have the up dates. (web site has serial nrs) They go for around $200 to $250.
        As for a holster made for it . I doubt there is one.you could have one made if you wanted to carry it. As a collector i don’t have a holster for all the guns i own. Just what i carry.
        The Zip I just put in a pistol carrier or range bag. It is just a fun toy.
        I was in the US Army however never heard of transition drills. Sorry.
        I gave you their web site to ask USAF if there is a holster for it.

  51. avatar
    Todd
    August 2, 2013

    Well, I guess that it’s unfortunate that you didn’t get that training while you were in the Army. It is simply put switching between your long rifle and your hand gun.

    • avatar
      Roger
      August 2, 2013

      Were you trained in the military Todd? When I was in the 1970′s we used the M16 as the prime weapons. As an officer i did carry a 45 however we never had any dumb ass transition drills.

      • avatar
        Todd
        August 3, 2013

        Roger, I’m sorry that you feel that way and so strongly about it. I also hope that you have not misread anything I have asked on this site which was AGAIN, if anyone knew of any holsters for it. That in itself was a tongue in cheek question, not a personal attack on you. And yes, I have and do serve my country. Thank you for your service.

      • avatar
        Roger
        August 3, 2013

        Todd, Sorry about being so defensive.

        Roger

  52. avatar
    Ronald Moore
    September 8, 2013

    Oh yeah Doug, this is so much better than the USFA Single Action Revolvers you were building.

  53. avatar
    Paul D. Mitchell
    December 20, 2013

    I had a tek 22 that did the same thing when shooting ANY CCI brand rounds through it. I found that the lower velocity rounds ran smoothly, but after a couple hundred rounds of breaking it in, I could run the CCI brand again. Hope the problem gets worked out, seems to be a pretty cool little piece.

  54. avatar
    Ray Hill
    January 4, 2014

    I owned two of these, ended up sending them back to the factory. Total garbage, whatever you do, don’t buy one.

  55. avatar
    roger
    January 5, 2014

    My ZIP works. Honestly one wonders who are the trolls?

    • avatar
      PeterC
      January 5, 2014

      So, you have the one that works. Mazel tov!

    • avatar
      Jeremy S
      January 6, 2014

      ZiP claims to have made multiple updates that have the newer production guns working properly. I’ll see if I can get my hands on a new one to test again. Mine definitely did NOT run, even after trying multiple barrels, every spring combo, installing the upgrade kit, then doing some polishing and lubing, etc, plus using multiple BX-1 mags, aftermarket mags, and lots of ammo types including the two most highly-recommended-by-ZiP ammo brands. Additionally, this was the norm, not the exception. If you look at pretty much every single other review done in the first 9+ months of production of this gun, whether written or video review on YouTube, etc, you’ll see the exact same results. Your “trolls” comment simply doesn’t apply. If the new guns truly are better that’s great! But it doesn’t apply to this review, which was an honest experience of my specific gun and I tried every darn thing possible to get it to work and spent almost two hours on the phone with the owner of USFA troubleshooting.

      • avatar
        roger
        January 6, 2014

        Well sparkie. I guess I am just lucky than. As stated mine went back once. As long as I use the CCI Blazer it runs. Hard to find the ammo now.
        I am a happy customer.

  56. avatar
    Tom Amans Sr
    February 15, 2014

    FLAME DELETED Stop whining about a few minor bugs in the system. God gave us extra fingers to deal with fun new quirky innovations like the Zip. I can’t wait to buy my neighboras Zip. I’m getting a super good deal on it because both his index fingers are missing for some reason. I can’t wait!

  57. avatar
    Pete Veroneau
    April 13, 2014

    Has anyone out there sent there Zipgun back to the factory and never got it back?

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