By Eddie Devir

Undercover citizens can pose difficult questions to unsuspecting police officers. Especially in – surprise! – New York and New Jersey. “Um, officer? What happens between dialing 911 and the time the first cruiser pulls up?” When pressed, the cops admit that, to no one’s surprise, “You’re on your own.” This, despite predicted response times ranging up to 30 minutes or more . . .

Here are a few of the helpful suggestions offered by officers to enquiring citizens:

  1. Get a Dog
  2. Hope nothing happens
  3. Use a baseball bat
  4. lock yourself in the room
  5. make noise
  6. yell and scream
  7. use bleach
  8. Put your cell phone to your ear
  9. Flee the house
  10. Put 2 x 4 on the windows
  11. Eliminate shrubbery

Some of the cops are even caught on tape advising citizens in fear of their lives that guns really aren’t the way to go. All of which raises a question: Why do many police officers — who have guns on their hips for their own protection every day — advise their fellow citizens against doing the very same thing?

90 Responses to Answering the Tough Questions: What Do I Do Until the Police Arrive?

  1. > Get a Dog
    > Use a baseball bat
    > use bleach

    According to Evie Hudak, statistics are against you if you use a dog, a bat, or bleach.

    Millions of dog-owning women are murdered every year by crazed NRApists, and almost every woman who was murdered has used bleach at least once in her life.

    I’m not sure about a bat, because I’ve never seen a fledermaus play baseball.

    • Dogs do work. If nothing else they bark and serve as a warning. But unless you own a couple of fighting pit bulls, you can’t absolutely depend on them to protect you from a rapist

      As far as bleach? What is the plan there??? use a squirt gun. I guess if you had nothing else (bleach in the eyes cant feel that to good) its something besides lying there and playing dead or peeing/menstrating on yourself.

      A bat. I’ve seen a few softball players that I wouldn’t want to try to take them on if they had a bat. It takes luck, a stupid rapist (thankfully there aren’t to many smart ones) and a good swing. Better than lying there.

      BUT a Glock 23 does work. Statics show that guns are used on their owners <2% of the time (which is in contrast to urban myth).

      AND Two .40cal rounds center mass if nothing else drops the blood pressure enough to prevent an erection…

      • Don’t get friendly lap dogs like pit bulls. They’re pushovers and sweethearts. I have never met a pit bull that ever worried me. They’re love sponges. I love them, but they’re not guard dogs.

        Get flock guardian dogs – big ones. Over 120lbs. The friendliest of them might by a Great Pyr. If you’re ready for the varsity league of guard dogs, you should look at an Anatolian Shepherd. Want something smaller, look at a Kuvasz, or Akbash/Pyr cross. The smallest I would go would be a Komondor.

        If you’re dealing with very serious security problems, then look at a Caucasian Ovcharka.

        Yes, all of these dogs have a lot of fur. Yes, they’re too big for most apartments. But once they bond with your wife, she’s no longer “your girl.” She’s their girl. Your kids are now owned by the dog. Your cats are now owned by the dog. Your house is now owned by the dog. If you’re a hard man, you’ll likely be largely ignored by your dog, as it dotes on your wife, kids and other pets.

        People who enter must be approved… or else things are going to get messy. And they must be approved every single time. Just because your mother-in-law was over last week doesn’t mean that she’s on the ‘approved’ list for the dog. Unless your mother-in-law starts living with you… she’ll never be “on the list.” Even if she stays a week, she won’t be “on the list.” So there is a real upside to these dogs…

        And they do all of this without any training. It’s bred into them.. for hundreds to at least a thousand years. They’re wonderful security systems.

        • Those all look like great dogs, although perhaps hard to find. I like the flock guardian role.

          What about:
          Bullmastiffs, Rottweilers, or Dobermans?

          I own a couple of German Sherpherds. They are great watchdogs (watching and letting me know if something is up), but mine at least, are not “hard” guard dogs.

    • Quality Wasp spray with a 30 foot reach, is much more effective if you don’t have a firearm.

  2. People who gamble with their lives are STUPID.

    When they want to gamble with mine, that makes them TYRANTS.

    RESIST TYRANNY.

  3. If it can take 20-30 minutes for the cops to show up do this. Run out onto your balcony and fire 2 blasts from your 12 ga double biden shotgun into the air. Reload and if you still feel threatened fire 2 more thru your door. Problems solved.

  4. I’m going to tie my rape whistle to my Glock 19 and douse it in bleach. That way I’m covered all the way around

    • How about a rape whistle, containing bleach, seated in a charged 9mm casing that sits inside the chamber of your gat?

  5. Where I live I could make a ThanksGiving Dinner, invite the family over, watch the NFL, fall asleep, wake up, eat left-overs and freeze what’s left!

  6. What if the criminal won’t let you call the cops? I asked a respected instructor around here how much time does a person have till the perp is in the house, typically. He said 4 seconds, Randy

  7. Curiously, of all the inane “suggestions” (basically blowing off legitimate questions), they didn’t mention the one thing that might actually work and that is because it is deadly; Sevin.

    I found out some years ago that Sevin and other bug sprays are actually nerve agents and the antidote is the same as we use in the auto-injectors to counter Sarin Gas; Atropine and Two Pam Chloride. BTW; neither of these two counter measures are readily available to a civilian and may not even exist on an EMT truck.

    Using one of these bug “nerve agent” – especially one that delivers a hose like flood of the material would not only disorient the invader, it would render him “inoperable” in short order, eventually killing him if not treated in a short amount of time.

    Will I be replacing my sidearm with a can of nerve agent? No, but in light of the remarkably callous “helpful suggestions” these LEO’s and the rest of the left-leaning idiots are making, it troubles me that they would leave these off the list.

    Apparently the lives of, a burglar, rapist and murder are of greater value than a government mandated unarmed Mother and her children….

  8. It’s not ignorance. Cops tell themselves we’re “civilians”, while they are not. Deluded, but true. In their minds, this puts them in a superior position to us. If they wanted us armed, they’d have to see us as equals.

    • Cops (for the most part) are just armed civilians with delusions of grandeur. Most of the donut brigade would last two seconds in the sandbox.

  9. It is called JOB SECURITY. Per the Supreme Court, the police are not there to “protect” us. They are to there to pursue the criminal AFTER the crime is committed. So, it is in their best interest to let the crime be committed. Then they can spend thousands of man hours, hunting down, capturing, and processing the criminal.

    If we, as private citizens, defend ourselves. The criminal is dead or injured. Leaving the police very little to do.

    Now, they can demand more men, equipment, bigger budgets. Walk around in their cute little uniforms and violate our rights when the mood strikes them.

  10. I advise a few people every month to get guns and as much training as they can. I also make it clear that I will not be able to provide the training myself, especially if it’s a young woman I’m speaking to. Not worth even the chance of a complaint.

    Then I tell them my wife has guns and a clear plan of action if someone breaks in, and that my own home defense gun is more powerful than my duty gun.

    Lastly I tell them about the limits of police response time, and that they are legally and morally in the clear to defend their own lives with force.

    There are a few guys I work with who do the same, but then, we don’t work in NY.

  11. as you can see, disarmament destroys the natural right to private property and personal protection, and freedom in general.

  12. What happens between dialing 911 and the time the first cruiser pulls up?

    I don’t suppose that reload, remove earplugs, and make a ham sandwich is the right answer, is it?

  13. Here’s my LEO advice:

    1. Clearly identify lethal threat / target
    2. Align front and rear sights on lethal threat / target
    3. Pull trigger
    4. Repeat #3 as needed (reload if necessary)
    5. Repeat steps 1-4 for additional lethal threats / targets
    6. Wait for 5-0.
    7. Obey lawful orders from 5-0
    8. SHTF and call lawyer

  14. Bleach is a wonderful precision weapon and I always have a gallon on my person and in every room I may need to seek shelter. I never worry about splashing myself in the face when lobbing it at invaders. But I guess that would be better than getting raped right?

    Im a little confused by the 2×4 on the window. I assume they mean in leu of security bars but thats pretty tacky. Im interpriting it as, put them in your windows AS someone is trying to break in. It comes off as an afterthought not a pre-incident plan or security device.

    • “I’m sorry officer, I was putting up the 2×4 you recommended, and the nail gun safety missed the jam and got stuck on the guy’s head.”

    • The 2 x 4 trick is for double hung windows. It prevents them from being fully opened. Doesn’t stop them from breaking the glass though, although double pane might slow then up a bit.

      The bleach idea is great. Stop a perp and clean your rugs at the same time.

  15. Buy a gun is my answer but its this New York and new England idiocy you see and how helpless these idiots want you to be.

  16. I stand by what Sheriff Clark had to say, but I think ya’ll are bit too harsh on LE. Yes, there are some bad ones. There’s also good ones and indifferent ones. LE are just people.

    There is one thing consistent for most LE, it’s that they get paid crap and really all they have to hold on to is their pensions. Their bosses are politicians, not LEOs. Anything one of their officers says that causes them political fallback is going to go badly for them. So they do nothing, say nothing, beyond what is law. If you ask them a direct question, where the truthful answer is going to go against them, they can either shut up, or say something flippant. The later is just much easier. I’m sure that if a friend, off-camera, had interviewed those same people they would have had completely different answers.

    Jobs are jobs. It’s their job to enforce (and sometimes explain) the law. If the law is dumb, it’s not their job as an officer to deal with it. As a citizen, they may or may not do the same things the rest of us do to protest unjust law.

    • These were “hidden camera” interviews (done by James O’Keefe at Project Veritas, he of the hidden camera at ACORN fame), so I think you can assume these are pretty much their “off camera” responses.

  17. I called 911 a few months ago and was put directly on hold. That kind of experience will make you stop relying on the police very quickly.

    • Jack, if you spend any ammount of time working in emergency services or even go in youtube and listen to “funny 9-1-1 calls” or any other variation, that can be explained.

      The 9-1-1 system is heavily taxed by false and prank calls and unnesecarry calls. One woman called 9-1-1 because she ordered a 10 piece chicken nugget and they were sold out. True story.

      In my home town two 9-1-1 dispatchers are responsible for almost half a county during one shift.

      Sorry but the police really cant be blamed for that.

      • He’s not blaming the police Memphis. He is advocating taking care of oneself without casting blame.

      • I understand that the 911 system can sometimes be flooded with calls, and I don’t blame the police. I’m just saying that I learned not to rely on a quick response.

      • Um, yes, the police can be blamed for that.

        Who has promulgated the fiction that you can rely on 911 in emergencies?

        The police.

        Who have been shopping the myth that the police are there “to protect you” (down to the slogans on the side of their donut wagons)?

        The police.

        Who have been peddling the notion that you’re too stupid to protect yourself and solve your own problems?

        The police.

        So now we have a nation of thumb-sucking welfare dependents who call 911 for every conceivable slight, inconvenience and temper tantrum they have. And it is, in part, because the police propaganda has created the idea in the heads of many people that they’re too stupid and too incompetent to solve their own problems.

  18. Your personal safety begins and ends with you, the individual. Some people find that to be too harsh of a reality to accept and find solace in denial.

  19. I have a serious legal question. Let’s say you get involved in a defensive shooting on the street somewhere where the estimated 911 response time is approximately “your call is important to us, and will be answered in the order it was received” if not “we don’t go to that neighborhood” (in the interests of anonymity, let’s call this place “Deetroyt”). What do you do in the aftermath? Do you have any legal obligation to wait there until the police arrive, even if that’s likely to be some time after the arrival of the would-be perp’s criminal associates? Do you have an obligation to stay on the line waiting for a 911 operator? Should you leave a note?

    • In WA, there is no obligation to do anything on a 911 call except not provide false information or engage in behavior that is a clear waste of time, like reporting order problems at McDonalds. Even the people who do these things don’t usually get prosecuted, to keep others from being afraid to call.

      I have twice been sent to a call of “there’s two dogs.” Not biting anyone, not making puppies, not even barking. Just two dogs on the sidewalk. Because someone was afraid they were cold. Not even a call back to yell at them, much less any legal action.

      • Ducks. I’ve had a call of Mom ducks with ducklings following. Police work is stressful – I had no bread crumbs with me. I have lured and snare some dogs with a cheeseburger, though.

        • I onviewed a mother duck with ducklings once on the road. Found a bucket to hold the ducklings and got them across the jersey barrier and to a stream.

          A state trooper did the same thing about two weeks later but there was a guy there with a camera. He made all the local news sites, and I didn’t.

        • Both of you are proof that no matter the misbehavior of your coworkers, some are truly decent mother duckers.

          (Sorry, but Accur81 opened the door and Hasdrubal was flagging me in. I had to drive through…)

      • Seriously, guys, I understand you should call 911, but if you’re on hold for a long time is there a point where you can hang up and say you made every reasonable effort? Do you have to remain on the scene until police arrive? Should you just go home, call a lawyer, and let them explain it all to the police?

  20. One of those was filmed in my town, I know the officer who gives the rather lame responses. But our cops can respond in “a few minutes” because our town is one square mile. Yes, ONE square mile. And we usually have 2-3 crusiers on the streets per shift. Everywhere else in America, you’re looking at 20 minutes minimum as Sheriff Ramsey says.

  21. I don’t suppose this plan is approved:

    1) don’t call police
    2) shoot intruder until dead
    3) put corpse into chipper shredder or firepit
    4) fertilize garden
    5) Clean house
    6) go back to normal

    Going on the idea that most criminals are human flotsam and won’t be missed by anyone.

    Also I hear ADT is going to change it’s policy and when the perp trips your alarm, rather than letting loose with a siren and ringing ADT, the alarm just lets loose 2 shotgun blasts into the air….cause that stops crime, dontcha know. Maybe if we just go around and loose shotgun blasts into the air, everywhere we go, we can eliminate crime?

    • I’m sure a lot of LEOs think your plan is not only
      likely but becoming more widespread. There are
      many reasons but I’d argue that dwindling trust
      and respect for law enforcement and the judicial
      system is the largest factor.

    • yup. also…

      “… a government and its agents are under no general duty to provide public services, such as police protection, to any particular individual citizen.”
      Warren v. District of Columbia
      444 A.2d. 1, D.C. Ct. of Ap. 1981

  22. I guess in many rural and some suburban areas police response times are long. I don’t know what they’re like here in Sarasota and I hope I never have to find out. However, I can tell you that where I’m originally from, Jersey City, NJ, police response times on hot calls like shots fired, holdup in progress, etc are extremely fast, anywhere from seconds to less than 2 minutes. Fire department response is typically within 3 minutes. But, I live in Sarasota, Fl now, so I’ll just keep the guns loaded and keep training because here I figure I’m more on my own then I ever was in good ol’ Jersey City

    • Many years ago, when I was a young boy in Jersey City, the cops came around and “asked” the candy store owners to stop selling caps. They were considered to be “fireworks” and outlawed. Cap pistols were still legal.
      For a while, I was a “gunrunner”, smuggling in ammo for those cap pistols in Jersey City from the Shore, where caps were still legal.
      I hate to think what kind of “gun control” exists in JCNJ today. I spend as much time as I can in Vermont.

  23. So let me get this straight…I’m supposed to put my phone to my ear after putting up 2x4s on the windows, then grab bleach go into my room, close the door and do my laundry while singing????

  24. OK, now allow me to fill everyone in to little-known or thought about laws which will also ensnare you should you see fit to use chemical deterrents or controlled chemicals for self-defense.

    When I used to hold a pesticide applicator’s license, I was told by the EPA (and state dep’t of “environmental protection”) that “use of registered chemicals with EPA numbers for off-label purposes is a violation of federal law.” The guy giving us this statement was a Very Serious Senior State Bureaucrat, and he was not be be trifled with, since he was the one administering and enforcing the licensed pesticide applicator’s regs in our state.

    Purely as a joke (being the newest guy in the room), I raised my hand (this was a meeting of farmers with the bureaucrats over pesticides and such) and semi-jokingly asked “So using a pesticide with an EPA number to spray down a burglar entering my house is an ‘off-label’ application?”

    The young lady from the EPA said (with a deadpan, serious face) “Yes, that is an off-label use.”

    Someone else asked “Would the EPA prosecute this sort of thing?”

    All she said was “We could.”

    Ladies and gentlemen, the stupidity of government employees knows no limits.

    • “Ladies and gentlemen, the stupidity of government employees knows no limits.”

      Congratulations. You have accomplished a great insight into the function of the bureaucratic Government mind.
      The sole purpose is to preserve and expand the authority and power of their particular sphere. Other departments of Gov’t must be subordinated, and any liberty of the “people” must be suppressed in the name of the “common good”.

  25. Step 1. Shoot intruder.
    Step 2. Smoke a cigar while watching intruder bleed out out (if he survived step 1)
    Step 3. Call Sheriff

    • In case anyone thinks this is actual advice, rather than the tongue-in-cheek comment I believe MrGrimm intended:

      Failing to call for medical assistance (ambulance/EMTs) promptly after the cessation of hostilities can turn a legit DGU into charges brought by the DA. Doesn’t mean you have any duty to provide aid yourself, but doing the whole “shot a man just to watch him die” thing is not advised.

      • Unless you are the ‘tactical’ team that just shot ex-marine Jose Guerena in Tucson. Then, you can just let him bleed out and prevent the EMTs from coming in to work on him for 1 hour and 14 minutes.

        Don’t worry, they were cleared of any wrongdoing.

        • To be fair, Jose had like 45 holes in him. He would’ve died if the EMT’s were there ahead of time. He probably would’ve died if they’d shot him on the operating table.

          Not that they didn’t outright murder the guy in his own home for daring to respond to sounds of a break-in with an AR in his hands, but the EMT’s were a little superfluous at that point.

  26. obviously the author doesn’t have cats, who in my experience, own the dogs and do pretty much as they please anyway!

    If you do get a working dog (lots of choices out there) do take the time to thoroughly
    train it in obedience and basic training.

    The dog will naturally tend to protect its pack, so you need little in aggression training.

    But for your and your dog’s protection, it must be reliably trained to stop an attack and demonstrate that you can put it in a non threatening attitude, at YOUR command.

    As satisfying as it might seem, you cannot let your dog use annoying people as a chew toy.

  27. Thats why I always say that if a law enforcement official endorses or promotes gun grabbing, they are a dirty, filthy, traitorous pig.

  28. … your call is important to us… Please cower in fear until the next 9-1-1 operator is available…
    If you want to call someone who cares; call your mother. If you want to call someone who doesn’t care; call the government. If you call the government and expect them to care, you really just set yourself up for disappointment.
    It takes seconds to call 911. Waiting for the police to arrive may take the rest of your life.

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