Crazed Ex-Cop’s Manifesto, Uncensored

I recently received emails about ex-LAPD officer and murderer Chris Dorner’s manifesto. The correspondents read versions of the document without the pro-gun control paragraph we mentioned. They worried that some pro-gun person had inserted the text into Dorner’s rant to help their cause. Turns out the mainstream media’s been publishing—and continues to publish—a redacted version which doesn’t include Dorner’s love letter to gun control. And President Obama, Joe Biden, Hillary Clinton, MSNBC, CNN, Ellen Degeneres and other Hollywood types. Not to mention Dorner’s hatred for the NRA. Now why would the media do that? Would they do the same if Dorner was a Tea Partier? I’m also [not] perplexed why the press fails to mention the two incidents where LA cops shot the wrong people in pursuit of the cop killer. Twice. Highlights of the missing bits after the jump or the whole version at soopermexican.com . . .

Pro Gun Control:

Who in there right mind needs a fucking silencer!!! who needs a freaking SBR AR15? No one. No more Virginia Tech, Columbine HS, Wisconsin temple, Aurora theatre, Portland malls, Tucson rally, Newtown Sandy Hook. Whether by executive order or thru a bi-partisan congress an assault weapons ban needs to be re-instituted. Period!!!

Mia Farrow said it best. “Gun control is no longer debatable, it’s not a conversation, its a moral mandate.”

Sen. Feinstein, you are doing the right thing in leading the re-institution of a national AWB. Never again should any public official state that their prayers and thoughts are with the family.

Loves Obama:

You disrespect the office of the POTUS/Presidency and Commander in Chief. You call him Kenyan, mongroid, halfrican, muslim, and FBHO when in essence you are to address him as simply, President. The same as you did to President George W. Bush and all those in the highest ranking position of our land before him. Just as I always have. You question his birth certificate, his educational and professional accomplishments, and his judeo-christian beliefs. You make disparaging remarks about his dead parents. You never questioned the fact that his former opponent, the honorable Senator John McCain, was not born in the CONUS or that Bush had a C average in his undergrad. Electoral Candidates children (Romney) state they want to punch the president in the face during debates with no formal repercussions. No one even questioned the fact that the son just made a criminal threat toward the President. You call his wife a Wookie. Off the record, I love your new bangs, Mrs. Obama.

Fan of Joe Biden:

Mr. Vice President, do your due diligence when formulating a concise and permanent national AWB plan. Future generations of Americans depend on your plan and advisement to the president. I’ve always been a fan of yours and consider you one of the few genuine and charismatic politicians.

For Hillary 2016:

Hillary Clinton. You’ll make one hell of a president in 2016. Much like your husband, Bill, you will be one of the greatest. Look at Castro in San Antonio as a running mate or possible secretary of state. He’s (good people) and I have faith and confidence in him. Look after Bill. He was always my favorite President.

Anti-NRA

Wayne LaPierre, President of the NRA, you’re a vile and inhumane piece of shit. You never even showed 30 seconds of empathy for the children, teachers, and families of Sandy Hook.

MSNBC, CNN FAN:

Chris Matthews, Joe Scarborough, Pat Harvey, Brian Williams, Soledad Obrien, Wolf Blitzer, Meredith Viera, Tavis Smiley, and Anderson Cooper, keep up the great work and follow Cronkite’s lead. I hold many of you in the same regard as Tom Brokaw and the late Peter Jennings. Cooper, stop nagging and berating your guest, they’re your (guest). Mr. Scarborough, we met at McGuire’s pub in P-cola in 2002 when I was stationed there. It was an honor conversing with you about politics, family, and life.

Willie Geist, you’re a talented and charismatic journalist. Stop with all the talk show shenanigans and get back to your core of reporting.

Loves Piers Morgan:

…give Piers Morgan an indefinite resident alien and Visa card. Mr. Morgan, the problem that many American gun owners have with you and your continuous discussion of gun control is that you are not an American citizen and have an accent that is distinct and clarifies that you are a foreigner. I want you to know that I agree with you 100% on enacting stricter firearm laws

Radicalized by Trayvon Martin Propaganda:

Too bad Trayvon didn’t smash your skull completely open, Zim.

[h/t CS]

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89 Responses to Crazed Ex-Cop’s Manifesto, Uncensored

  1. avatarCold Frog says:

    This guy needs medicine and to get the monkey off his back.

  2. avatarJohn says:

    So… once again showing that anti-gunners are barely-restrained, batsh!t crazy just waiting to go off?

    What I find amusing is how he questions why anyone needs access to AR-15s, then grabs his own and goes to war with the LAPD.

    • avatarDyspeptic says:

      It’s a classic symptom of the “Progressive” Fascist mindset. They apply no standards of rational or ethical consistency to themselves, only to others. They never sincerely apologize for their transgressions and they never admit defeat. They project their own defects on to others. They glorify victimhood. The end always justifies the means. Public policy always trumps personal ethics.

      The functional difference between a Progressive Fascist and a psychopath is not all that great. And, you can bet that there are more cops like this guy in police forces across the country. Time to smoke out the good cops and find out who our friends are.

      • avatartdiinva says:

        Most Progressives are not sociopaths but like all totalitarian ideologies Progressivism attracts sociopaths and assorted other lunatics because it allows them to act out their murderous impulses under the guise of serving the Party and the State.

        What we today call Progressivism, which for all you lefties out there, was begun by this Italian guy named Mussolini. Il Duce was the first foreign hero to the American Progressive movemen. While most individuals in the movement are not clinically sociopathic, collectively the entire movement is. That is something all you Second Amendment supporting Democrats need to consider. What is more important to you, your rights or your free stuff, gay marriage and abortion on demand. If you want all the latter you must give up the former. The choice is yours.

        • avatartama paine says:

          Your history is terribly distorted.

          The Progressive Party was formed in 1912 by Theodore Roosevelt as an offshoot of the Republican party, and it was known as the Bull Moose party.

          TR would pop a .461 or greater cap in your ass for suggesting he had anything to do with Italian fascism. Then he’d ride a moose across a raging river, just because.

          Mussolini started out as an Italian Socialist and morphed into a fascist for reasons of political opportunity and psychological weakness.

          This doesn’t argue against the possibility that some portion of today’s American “progressives” do the exact same thing. But the ridiculous, and kneejerk, tarring of all progressives with the same brush is pandering exactly what the MSM cultivate in the name of keeping the citizenry whipped up against one another.

          People of the gun are people of the Bill of Rights, and last time I checked, we’re pretty diverse. So are progressives. So are conservatives, libertarians, independents, Christians, atheists…. And the Constitution has room for us all.

        • avatartdiinva says:

          By 1912 TR’s vision was decidedly statist. Wilson took the Progressive movement further towards the all powerful state. Wilson was the first President to call the Constitution a relic of the past and call for the rule of experts. When Mussolini took power in Italy Progressives called Fascism the future. When Mussolini gave FDR’s “Looking Forward” a favorable review, Roosevelt took it as a compliment. The Progressive movement split between adulation of the Bolsheviks and the Fascists in the 1920′s. Progressives eventual gravitated to Communism.

          Mussolini and Lenin debated the nature of collectivism. Lenin won the Hearts and Minds of the Progressive movement but in 1989 Mussolini won the argument. Today the Progressive movement is a rainbow coalition of Red, Brown, Black and Green.

    • avatarLance says:

      I dont know if he had a AR and so it wouldn’t be a normal AR like none Kaliforians have. They said might be a hunting rifle used.

      • avatarblinkypete says:

        He’s an ex cop, so he could have hung onto one of his LE duty guns. Also, I heard once that sometimes, however rarely, gun control laws malfunction and lunatics get their hands on gear. Again, it’s just a rumor I heard.

  3. avatarDaniel Silverman says:

    I thought he was going to bare Anderson Coopers love child!

  4. avatarBlinkyPete says:

    Do we have confirmation that the above sections are indeed in the original text? The website your link above doesn’t look terribly reliable, and the only actual source they have is another sketchy looking site. All of the mainstream sources it links say nothing about this.

    Not calling y’all out or anything, just saying the interwebs can be deceptive sometimes.

    Edit: A quick google search nets links from TMZ and the New York Post; anything else out there?

    Last edit: TMZ indicates some of the messages, like the one to Ellen, were posted on boards, and not necessarily in the manifesto. FWIW.
    http://www.tmz.com/2013/02/07/lapd-cop-killer-christopher-dorner-tim-tebow-charlie-sheen-larry-david/

    • avatarDAS says:

      yea, I agree, it would be nice to have the actual source to check out too.

    • avatarSecond Amendment says:

      The TV news report from Fox News Los Angeles describes his manifesto as “20 pages” long. Copy and paste the uncensored version into MS Word and it’s 21 pages. Try the redacted version. It’s about 11 pages. Hmmm….

      • avatarBlinkyPete says:

        That could be a reporting error, or he could have used large font… there are plenty of simple explanations.

        Not saying it’s fake, saying I’m skeptical. Skepticism is healthy in this day and age, but I’m more than willing to accept it as genuine if the evidence suggests it is.

        • avatarSecond Amendment says:

          Agreed. But consider that if the media were aware of it being faked re: the anti-gun stuff, they’d be more than eager to endlessly report that those crazy 2A supporters or Tea Party types must’ve added that in to shame liberals. We haven’t heard that from them. And after the 911 tapes that NBC selectively edited to make Zimmerman look bad, I wouldn’t put much past them.

        • avatarBlinkyPete says:

          I agree with you completely.

      • avatarBrian S says:

        what right does anyone have to redact any part of this? Is the LAPD officially a federal agency or military branch now?

        • avatarBlinkyPete says:

          I’m sure the government has our best interests in mind. Don’t even worry guy.

    • avatarOK S. says:

      Well, I kind of liked his Super Bowl Commerical:

      So God Made a Liberal.

      YouTube video. If WordPress tries to embed the link and it has to be deleted, it’s video EUzMPlQb2G4.

      • avatarBlinkyPete says:

        That is funny, though I feel like we could have as much fun with a conservative version.

        “We need someone to bitch and moan about taxes, spending, entitlements and then threaten all out war if anyone touches social security of medicare, so god made a republican.”

        “We need someone to hold up signs and shout slogans about how important freedom is, and then demand that gays be strung up by their queer little necks, so god made a republican.”

        “We need someone who currently collects unemployment to vilify people that come to this country, crawling under chain link fences on bloodied knees, over 30 mile stretches of desert on bare feet only to slave for ten 30 cent hours a day, 7 days a week , so god made a republican.”

        Anything I’m forgetting?

        • avatar16V says:

          “We needed someone to whine on about illegal immigrants, then hire as many as they can because they work cheap, so god made a neocon.”

          “We needed someone to crow about spreading democracy throughout the ME, only to learn that on those few occasions when the ME could handle it, they elected folks who liked us even less than the dictators, so god made a neocon.”

          (To be fair, toppling democratically elected governments has been ‘the thing to do’ for both parties over the last 60+ years.)

    • avatarBlinkyPete says:

      Here is an 18 page version published by the NYT. I have not read through it yet.

      http://documents.latimes.com/christopher-dorner-manifesto/

      • avatarSecond Amendment says:

        The L.A. Times, I think you mean. And yep, it’s got his anti-gun rant in there. Since the L.A. Times is hardly known for a having a conservative bent, I’m increasingly convinced that this is the real manifesto. It does beg the question as to the motives of other news outlets who’ve censored the liberal rantings in it, the praise for Biden and Feinstein, etc.

        • avatarBlinkyPete says:

          Sorry, my bad on the name (although I agree on the Liberal thing; in practice the papers aren’t that different).

          I hope the censoring gets some coverage!

    • avatarDavis Thompson says:

      The TMZ article indicates these messages to celebrities come from the manifesto itself. Here’s what they say in the link you posted:

      - Ex-LAPD officer Christopher Dorner — the accused killer at the center of a citywide manhunt — posted a rambling message to various celebrities … including Tim Tebow … before embarking on his murderous rampage.

      - The message is part of an “uncensored manifesto” that law enforcement confirms to TMZ was posted to the Internet by Dorner. Besides various threats to police officers and their families … Dorner –who’s now accused of killing 3 people including a cop — also blogs goodbye messages to his favorite stars, as if he’s planning on dying.

      There are two versions out there. Most of the media is publishing half of what many are calling “the complete” manifesto. This half ends in a way to indicate there’s more.

      I have found 2 instances when CNN reported on information in the 2nd half of the manifesto, the part not being published by the media.

      As you point out, the New York Post references the entire manifesto.

      Honestly, I’m not sure here. The anti-assault weapons stuff in the “full” manifesto seems a little too convenient. He uses multiple exclamation points at the ends of those paragraphs, something he doesn’t seem to do elsewhere. (Or maybe I missed it.)

      BUT – we had solid reporting on the entire manifesto when the story broke by numerous media outlets, and yet now, a day later, all we see is potentially half of the document.

      Hmmmmm.

      Anyone else got anything on this?

    • avatarEd says:

      Fox LA Feb 6 http://wap.myfoxla.com/w/main/story/84473837/
      17 pages but includes the left topics.

      • avatarSecond Amendment says:

        It’s a classic media mistake. They rush to put out the story but in their haste they’ve only read the first little bit. Then later, when some interns at the station have pored over the full document do they have that, “Oh! Sh!t!” moment when they realize it’s got some “inconvenient truths” in it about what a crazy lib the guy is. So they drop that part down the memory hole. How convenient. How typical.

    • avatarjonathan says:

      I checked several websites and they all have the same print as the “offical uncensored manifesto”

      http://thecreditreportwithbilllewis.wordpress.com/2013/02/08/christopher-dorner-uncensored-manifesto-of-a-deranged-former-lapd-officer/

  5. avatarGreg says:

    Oh look, hyper violent delusional leftist hell bent on taking the law into his own hands because he was fired for lying. This is what, the 5th as of late? Curious.

  6. avatarDirk Diggler says:

    Poetic that this guy lives in California. Maybe he can turn himself in and run for office?

  7. avatarPaul says:

    I’ve read this guy’s manifesto carefully — the full version. Is anyone else concerned that, although he may be a bit off the deep end right now, there may be some serious deep truth to his allegations? The LAPD are apparently so frantic to kill this guy that they’re shooting civilians. Why?

    • avatarBlinkyPete says:

      I think they’re probably frantic to kill him right now because cops usually react that way when a few other cops get killed.

      Also, since when is accidentally shooting civilians an issue for police? My understanding it that it’s currently grounds for a paid half day suspension.

    • avatarWonderbread says:

      Completely agree. I read it too; he’s definitely insane with dark aspirations of grandeur via murder. But he gives way too much detail about his experience within LAPD for his claims to be dismissed. The first truck the LEO’s fired on was delivering newspapers in a neighborhood of one of the “targets” named in the manifesto- most likely a LEO or official. The two wounded victims were Asian women; many of the 45+ bullet holes in their truck were obviously centered on the rear passenger window. The vehicle looks like it was hit by a Thompson in a 1930′s gang hit.

      It sounds as if this guy would be just as dangerous to LAPD alive in custody as he is alive and on the loose. And they well know it.

      • avatarcrm114 says:

        I think it’s time to look into reducing the firepower beat cops have access to. Who needs to shoot 40 times at a pickup in a police action? Give them .38 revolvers and a 12 gauge pump in the trunk. If things get hairy, then call in the SWAT team.

      • avatarhmmmmmmmm says:

        Yep, I agree with you on this – they want him dead bad because there was way more than a kernel of truth buried in the crazy of that manifesto.

        I literally cannot even imagine how the destruction of the Asian lady’s truck was part of a due process – the only way it could have happened is if they opened fire as soon as they saw the truck, without even attempting to stop it or ID the driver. It will be VERY interesting to see what happens to the officers responsible for that disgrace. Scarily I think they will see no repercussions.

        • avatarRopingdown says:

          Side question: The two small ladies both had latina last names. Why are people calling them “asian”?

        • avataragonyc says:

          @Ropingdown

          They are likely from the Phillipines, spain also raped and pillaged that island much like they did in south america and parts of the Carribean.

          They are of asian descent but filipino people has very “spanish” styled last names often modified slightly. They have darker skin color but retain their asian features.

      • avatarDaveL says:

        he’s definitely insane with dark aspirations of grandeur via murder.

        Yes, insane with dark aspirations of grandeur…

        …and he apparently fit in just fine with the LAPD for three years before he got disgusted with their lack of ethics. Now there’s a disturbing train of thought.

        • avatarWonderbread says:

          Exactly. In his manifesto, he painstakingly describes a confrontation during his police cadet training in which he made a leap through a LAPD van to apply a chokehold on a fellow trainee. This, in response to what he thought was a racial epithet, not directed at him. He also talks about serving a two day suspension for an ND. He discounts both of these incidents as of little importance, other than his outrage at the perceived racial comment. It sounds as if the LAPD finally got wise to the fact that there was a superstar among their lineup of mediocre psychopaths, and let him sink himself (unjustly, in this case) on a whistleblower charge. Yet during most of his LE career he apparently got glowing appraisals.

    • avatarRoscoe says:

      His allegations absolutely ring true. From personal experience I can fully believe his version of the disciplinary action.

      LAPD got rid of him for exposing the established and unoficially tolerated status quo to official review. Being hung out to dry is not that uncommon.
      Just ask Stacey Coon.

      It’s unfortunate that innocent civilians and cops must suffer and die while this former LAPD officer goes after his goal of regaining “his name”.

      In this instance the LAPD is having to “reap what it sow(ed)”, and there will be no more light of day for Dorner if they ever manage to get him in their crosshairs.

  8. avatarDrewR55 says:

    Just like how last year the MSM swept under the rug the guy who went into a pro-life family center with a handgun and a backpack full of chichen sandwiches?

  9. avatarWonderbread says:

    I followed a Reddit thread on this last night, with many posters claiming to be from the areas where searches and confrontations have taken place. The links to local news sources are disturbing enough, but if the posters are to be given credence the LE in Southern Cali is off the rails over this. They’ve demanded no news coverage from the air, and are doing no-knock searches over a very wide area. This thread links to an unredacted copy of the shooter’s manifesto; he sounds like a long-term sociopath who has a somewhat legitimate beef with LAPD that finally kicked him fully over the edge. He claims to have deep depression going back several years- no mention from him or the press if he’s taking SSRI’s. Gun control is one of his major themes- that is, when he’s not bragging about his marksmanship and claiming ownership of a Barrett .50 cal.

    Some disturbing links to local news shows the vehicles that were torched by LAPD with zero provocation; its obviously damage from full auto or select fire (the local paper referenced “bursts of fire”) and at least one of the trucks has very little resemblance to the shooters vehicle. And they did this twice within an hour!

    imgur.com/VAZcTvZ

    • avatarB says:

      I live in the area, and I can confirm through scanner traffic and local news reports that they are going house to house in the Big Bear area. Many of these houses are vacant vacation homes that have been closed up for the season. I was hearing multiple reports last night on the scanner from PD/Sheriff officers warning dispatch that they had set off an alarm at this or that residence, which certainly sounds like they’re forcing their way in to empty homes.

    • avatarFred says:

      Seems like tactics straight from Iraq. Checkpoints, house-t0-house searches, shoot on sight. The blue truck was going to a home that was under LAPD protection…to deliver a newspaper, so there was some kind of connection, even if it is just wrong place wrong time. Looks like they won’t be getting their mail any time soon. The other truckmay have been an anonymous tip from someone that heard the report (like everyone else in the country) and called in without knowing the actual truck is a different make, model, and color, but that’s just my speculation.

      As a PSA to LA residents: if you’re being shot at don’t panic and definitely don’t take cover or defend yourself, it’s just the LAPD conducting their manhunt. Taking cover or defending yourself will result in more bullets being fired, which will cost the LAPD more resources, which you will be paying for, so please, do nothing.

  10. avatarB says:

    I think the bullet riddled coin he sent to CNN, with a note attached saying “1 MOA” is pretty chilling. It’s clear that this isn’t over yet.

  11. avatarBrian S says:

    That’s a pretty severe case of Stockholm Syndrome

  12. avatarmiforest says:

    the media handling of this is as frightening as anything I have ever seen. It is blatantly clear that most of the media is nothing more than a propaganda machine for the ideology of government power. The same as china, Argentina , russia.
    They are very selective in their roles as watchdogs of the police and not a watchdog at all for the government. Without any kind of oversight, those in power become evermore abusive of that power. this is not a good sign.

    • avatarBlinkyPete says:

      I feel like saying it’s the same as China or Russia (or that Argentina are the same as either of those) is a little much…

    • avatar16V says:

      I hate to say it, but they gotta live there. LAPD has long crossed over the line of taking public criticism very well.

      So, do you want to be the unarmed, defenseless news reporter talking about the daily brutality of LAPD, then driving home at night? Those guys would light you up and “find” some coke or, if they wanted to really send a message, a drop gun will be dropped. In your car.

      This isn’t a movie, every once in a while something like Rampart makes it public. But nothing changes.

  13. avatarThomasR says:

    If the propaganda arm of the progressive/ socialist movement is not printing all of his manifesto, it’s because it’s not supportive of thier agenda; if you don’t know what thier agenda IS, then you have been asleep the last 50 years.

    It’s the same agenda when the “white/hispanic” Zimmermans 911 tape was edited to make him sound like he was targeting Trayvon because he was black.

    It’s the same agenda when the press broadcasts nation wide when a gun is used to murder, but only prints locally when a gun is used to protect.

    It’s the same agenda when a student is advanced in school even when they don’t know the material because the school admin. dosen’t want to hurt the childs “self-esteem”.

    It’s the agenda to fundamentally change the exceptional American culture of personal freedom into the hive mind run by the elites for the benefit of the elites while the elites tell us it only for our benefit.

  14. avatarChuck says:

    I can remember as a youth I used to imagine journalists at Pravda writing articles while being held at gunpoint by the State. What I didn’t know then, but do now, is that the journalists were true believers, and had no trouble lying if it advanced the cause. Reporting that this guy loved him some Piers Morgan, was a true believer in “gun safety” and had a hard on for Hillary Clinton does not advance the narrative. So it will not be reported. As for the LAPD, while they might not be as corrupt as the NYPD, CPD, or the Boston Police Dept, you can bet they are right up there. They have something to hide.

  15. avatarTex74 says:

    I was concerned over his allegations about the LAPD initially as well until I realized that he has held on to every incident of being “wronged” since ellementary school. And then slipping into his manic rants, ie; “I’m going to miss shark week!” Then he lost credence in his complaint about the LAPD in my eyes. However, it is worth looking into about his allegation about an entire review board ignoring facts to railroad him. The video statement from the victim either exsists or it doesn’t.

    • avatarBlinkyPete says:

      He comes off as a text book case of a delusional, paranoid such and such, but I’m inclined to believe that if an evil is happening in the world the LAPD wants in on it.

      • avatarTex74 says:

        The LAPD and NYPD both have always had corruption problems that give most other police departments a bad name, no doubt and his allegations should be looked into. Not that it’s an excuse to go nuts but simply because the LAPD’s reputation and history merit it.

    • avatarmatt says:

      The shark week comment was a joke. And of course another LEO would be the only person here to come to the defense of the LAPD.

  16. avatarWonderbread says:

    Reading the manifesto makes clear why LAPD is strongly encouraging media to censor it.

    Non-redacted version along with the case file of Shooter vs. LAPD:

    http://boywithgrenade.org/2013/02/07/christopher-dorners-manifesto/

    • avatarPascal says:

      To be fair, much of the redaction pertains to the names of officers he named. I am still unsure about the other parts posted here although I can see the media protecting their liberal agenda, I am not 100% sure. I put nothing past the media, but I would like to know the truth.

  17. avatarPascal says:

    See, the USA has no mental health issues!

  18. avatarCYRANO says:

    Here is another place the manifesto is posted. Unedited…

    http://www.crimefilenews.com/2013/02/fired-lapd-officer-obama-lover-and.html

  19. avatarBeninMA says:

    It’s primarily a workplace shooting, but then there’s this:

    “If you had a well regulated AWB, this would not happen.”

  20. avatarTheSleeperHasAwakened says:

    Something about this whole ordeal seems a bit off to me. Especially with all the “Accidental” shootings by the LAPD on random innocent people who are driving cars that remotely look like this Ex-Cop’s car.

    And then there’s this whole manifesto with all this racially and politically charged and divisive rhetoric. Not to mention the “House-to-House” searches in Big Bear. Ever heard of the 4th Amendment!?!?!?!?

    • avatarBlinkyPete says:

      Doesn’t something about everything seem a little bit off to you though?

      • avatarTheSleeperHasAwakened says:

        No one who considers him/herself an intelligent human being should accept any official narrative at face value.

        • avatarBlinkyPete says:

          Then why do you seem to accept every single conspiracy theory narrative at face value? I’m a born skeptic, but as I also said above, I accept the conclusion the preponderance of evidence leads me to. Being a conspiracy theorist makes you exactly as intelligent as anyone taking what the Guvmint says at face value.

        • avatarTheSleeperHasAwakened says:

          So when did questioning official narratives make someone a “Conspiracy Theorist”?

          I’m aware that labeling others it gives your insecure personality power, but piss off!

        • avatarblinkypete says:

          As I told you in another thread, you want to “ask questions” like gun controllers want to “have a conversation” about “common sense gun laws”. I understand how you want to market your activities, but I’m not buying it. At best you’re an idiotic loon.

          Oh, and this has nothing to do with me feeling secure. It has to do with you marginalizing 27 murder victims, harassing survivors and making us all look as pathetic as you. That stuff kinda grinds my gears.

    • avatarRoscoe says:

      House to house searches were justified in this situation due to “Exigent Circumstances” – gravity of the offenses, high risk of an extremely dangerous offender at large in proximity of his abandoned torched truck, possibility that he could still be in the area – gotta go with LE on this one, even though Dorner was probably long gone even by the time the FD and SBSD arrived.

  21. avatarRalph says:

    Chris Dorner is the perfect Democrat. He’ll probably succeed Barbara Boxer in the Senate if he can just get past that minor triple murder thing.

    • avatarDrewR55 says:

      All Ted Kennedy had to do was claim he couldn’t remember how he got home so Dorner should have no problem (memory loss is such a great excuse).

  22. avatarDavid says:

    Only the police should have firearms. Sarcasm off.

  23. avatarBrian S says:

    “Why does anyone need a AR15 rifle?”

    Apparently to protect myself from people like you Chris, I’m sorry you’ve been the subject of abuse and injustice, it doesn’t give you the right to murder

    This manifesto is pretty disturbing

  24. avatarDyspeptic Gunsmith says:

    Two things tell me that the unedited manifesto are real:

    1. The press reluctance to cover it. Any of it. They’re treating this thing like they’ve discovered a turd in a punchbowl at a party given in Washington DC.

    Imagine if this guy were a) white and b) a member of the Tea Party. The press would be howling this information and publishing the manifesto on their front pages today.

    For those who disagree, remember the early coverage of Aurora. ABC (George Steponallofus and Brian Ross) were running with the Tea Party angle, when even a little bit of due diligence would have prevented that. The press wants there to be a Tea Party angle. They lust for it.

    Now they have one of their own shooting people. Whoopsie. Coming on the heels of the clown who reads the spittle on the SPLC website and starts shooting people, it’s looking more and more inconvenient for the media narrative.

    2. This screed is truly how some lunatic Democrats think. I’m sorry, but someone with a bit of wear on his treads has to say it: Just as there’s some loons on the right, there’s some serious loons on the left. I’ve met more than my share of these people over the years – in the 80′s, they were spouting nonsense about October Surprises, Geo. HW Bush flying to Iran in the back seat of an SR-71 to broker the deal that released the hostages, sheer nonsense on stilts about how cuddly the Sandanistas were, blah, blah. After 9/11, this stripe of loon were the same people who claimed that 9/11 was the job of the US Government, that explosives were planted in the WTC, blah, blah, blah. This stripe of loon started with the group that believed in grassy knolls, the CIA and Mafia, et al taking down JFK. Sorry, folks, but it was a dopey little communist who shot JFK. Yes, with a surplus Italian rifle. End of story.

    The nonsense in this manifesto is simply not a far reach for the deranged left wing element. It’s actually pretty common stuff. Read that manifesto, then recall all the rants and calls for violence against the NRA and NRA members in the last two months.

    I could walk into any “anti-war” demonstration I see in Colorado, Wyoming that has superannuated hippies standing around with signs, start asking some questions of the people there and start filming this sort of twaddle. These are people driven by nothing but perceptions and emotions, and the press loves these people – because without critical thinking skills, these sorts of people lap up just what the press puts out there. The press knows this, and that’s why they’re downplaying or editing the manifesto.

    BTW – our POTUS has opened up a new angle for me in debating these people. Their classic question is “Why do you think you need all those guns? The US government isn’t about to start killing citizens!”

    Oh, really? What about Obama’s drone program, where hits are decided by one person?

    Response: Sullen silence.

    Other response: “Bush did it!”

    My response: “a) Bush is no longer in office, your guy is, and b) he’s just made it easier to do, not harder. So I have more reason to own guns, not less, than I did in the Bush administration.”

    More sullen silence.

    Well, now one of their own has gone and done a bad, bad thing. And now we’re getting to see what a bunch of Tactical Tommy thugs the LAPD (and other law “enforcement” agencies) are.

    Given that the CalPERS pension is on track to bankrupt the state of California, I say “fire them all. No pension, no benefits, nothing.” Just sack them all, be done with it. People will say “But, but… there will be chaos in the streets! There will be people getting shot in the streets, criminals will be kicking in people’s doors in broad daylight!”

    Yep. Just like there are now. Except the taxpayers won’t be getting robbed to pay for it.

  25. avatarJohn Rand says:

    It was censored because it’s full of fallacies and the average (uneducated) emotional gun-control person may start to have cognitive dissonance if they actually read through it. Also, by its removal the stereotype of crazed gunman will indict him as a radical right-winger, as opposed to the moderate left that he is.

  26. avatarscooter says:

    If we (pro-constitution) and the civilian disarmament tribe are picking teams, I’m glad this nutjob ran to their side. Frankly, many of the people “representing” our side come off as nutjobs, and when they don’t the media makes them appear as such. Peace to his victims’ families.

  27. avatarBrian S says:

    Perhaps part of the reason the coverage of what’s in this manifesto is that he spends a good chunk of it doing rambling shout-outs to celebrities and expressing his love for politicians, journalists, and entertainers alike (I don’t really see a whole lot of difference between them now-a-days). This rant of his supports my theory that this country is being coming more and more entranced with a celebrity fantasy.

    And I feel the same way when people on the right hold up the occasional celeb that backs their viewpoints.

  28. avatarIdahoPete says:

    He sounds every bit as rational as Dianne Feinstien, Nancy Pelosi, Joe Biden, Chuck Schumer, Barack Obama, Piers Morgan … and every other hypocritical anti-gun twit who wants to ban guns for the peasants, but not for themselves.

  29. avatarBryan says:

    Does anybody else find it interesting that 1 guy (I realize he has some training), can as the video stated, hold the nations 2nd largest city and 10,000 troops hostage and or occupied? What will CA or the nation do when S really HTF? There are millions of us.

  30. avatarSilver says:

    Sounds like a typical leftist to me. He just went the one step further that they’re all subconsciously capable of.

    It’s no secret that leftists and gun-grabbers are violent, hateful, mentally-deranged individuals, it’s just that most managed to cope with life by irrationally lashing out verbally and passive aggressively through veiled death threats. This guy just got that extra push.

  31. avatarJim says:

    If he can hang on a while, he’ll make a good chief of the newly organized National People’s police force.

  32. avatarWiebelhaus says:

    Oh my, I had not seen all of this!

  33. avatarscottlac says:

    Then there is this story:

    Yesterday, the FBI testified and confirmed that the FRC shooter in D.C. last August was politically motivated by the Southern Poverty Law Center to target socially conservative groups. Did anyone hear a peep about it on the news in our “meaningful conversation about gun violence?” Anyone? Bueller?

    http://www.frc.org/washingtonupdate/the-shots-not-heard-around-the-world

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