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I wouldn’t recommend shooting while carrying one end of a sofa or wardrobe.
I’m vaguely disappointed that there’s no use of Comic Sans or Gothic Script on the title page of the video. Seems like there’s a little of everything else.
Government employees get plenty of tax money. They should not be shilling for donations on TTAG. Disgusting.
POSA is a 501(c)(3), non-profit organization that offers free training to officers nationwide to help keep them safe.
Our training is totally free and is 100% dependent on donations. there is no tax money involved.
Why on earth would any police officers need additional free training above and beyond what they’ve already received at their academy? It’s my understanding that police officers are already incredibly highly trained to standards so ridiculously demanding that only a tiny portion of humanity could ever meet them. That’s why only police officers are responsible enough to be trusted with their full 2nd amendment rights, and why the rest of us are expected to get by on 2A Lite or “I can’t believe it’s not the Second Amendment”. I gave at the office. I don’t know what got to Farago, I’ve noticed a distinctly Blue Noser trend the last few times I’ve checked in here.
Free training encourages everyone (not just cops) to get out and repeat the training they have learned to maintain competency. But you would know that being a HSLD operator, right?
Thanks for the video and remember no good deed goes unpunished.
Anybody check this group out?
Was written by this guy:
From Police Officers Safety Association
Not totally recto-cranially inverted, but just a tad elitist in a number of places and further proof that these guys have zero concept of rights or constitutional restraints.
POSA fully respects the right to self-defense to all, the 2nd A and everything that goes along with that. We advocate for the reduction of gun control in all its forms.
Glad to hear it! I’ll send a donation you’re way.
Thanks for the donation!
Thanks for your responses, John. It’s good to see police officers who respect the 2A rights for everyone. I’m in NYC and in my experience that’s kind of a rare thing here.
AlphaGeek I was hoping for Hobo or perhaps Brush Script. They nailed the intro music though.
I appreciate the effort and I think I shall send a dollar their way.
One thing that’s always confuses me is that so many civilian instructors, such as this one, teach target shooting techniques for defensive shooting–the idea of keeping the sights in focus and the target blurry being one. My military instrutors taught us to keep both eyes on the target and just shoot it. Very accurate for out to about fifty feet, at least. And pretty good out to a hundred or so. Maybe it’s only good for wooded areas, though, where there are lots of obstructions.
That can of worms is the when to use your front sight and when to point shoot debate. Might as well ask about 9mm vs 45. In the end the answer is do what can guarantee hits the fastest for you at whatever range or conditions. My preference is to train to front sight squeeze period. In my experience, people don’t tend to keep groups inside a torso past about 5 – 10 yards without getting on the front sight, and that is on a square range starting from a clean stance and nobody moving or getting shot at.
I guess like anything, it just takes practice. The M1911 was a good gun. I liked it a lot. Now I carry a 9mm, which seem more than adequate.
Also, why is he moving so slowly? We had only a little bit of time to get the each target before it disappeared. Also, I don’t remember any of our live fire ranges being that smooth, or even level, as we ran through them.
A friend of mine point shoots and does it well. He uses .45 ACP exclusively. My thinking is that with .45 ACP you can get away with a bit of sloppiness and still get the job done, but if you shoot something like a .380 shot placement becomes much more critical and that calls for a clear front sight picture.
Shot placement is critical, regardless of caliber, to stopping the threat. Personally, I recommend carry of 9mm or higher.
If it isn’t a fragmenting explosive projectile, only hits will ever count. The difference between a .380 FMJ (I’m not a fan of anything less than 9mm either, but you mentioned it) and a .45 gold dot is less than half an inch of wound track.
Point shooting is very valid for close distances. Doing it well beyond 30 feet becomes difficult. 100 feet is impossible for most people. Shot placement is critical to stopping the threat.
Well, learns something new every day. I finally googled point shooting to see if it was what was taught, since I didn’t remember those words. The Army, where I first learned the technique for rifle, called it “quick-kill.” We had to use it during this training because they had us tape wooden slats over the top of the rifle so you couldn’t see the front sights at all. And it did work out to about 100 feet.
I didn’t find the pistol manual, but we did use it out to about 50 feet. I was better than a lot of the others, but I wasn’t the best.
What I did find was a medical reason why you can’t keep the front sight in focus during stress, even if you want (I quit looking, so maybe someone else knows better):
WHY YOU CAN’T USE THE SIGHTS WHEN SHOOTING IN A REAL CLOSE QUARTERS LIFE THREAT SITUATION
That article is a load of bull. I’ve lost track of how many people who were actually trained that said they not only saw their front sight, but that it was like it was the size of a golf ball. When people train to present to the front sight, that is what they do.
Also, point shooting with a rifle isn’t comparable to point shooting with a handgun, and hitting somewhere on a silhouette some or most of the time isn’t good enough when collateral damage isn’t acceptable. Outside 15 feet is sketchy, outside 30 is probably reckless.
Someone who is under fire will NOT walk at a slow steady pace….sorry.
I was going to nit pick on that, but that was pretty much the whole meat of the video. I guess there is a reason I have never seen that technique in a video of a shooting, or force on force, or anywhere except YT vids on private ranges.
Walk before you run. You can’t learn to shoot while moving fast if you don’t first learn to shoot while moving at normal speeds.
Is it better to shoot the bad guy or to not get shot? I guess for cops, it might be to shoot the bad guy. For me, it’s to not get shot. I’m moving my ass fast!
John, have you guys considered setting up plywood or other stuff that could simulate cover and/or concealment?
Also, engaging the threat is important but for people not wearing body armor (non-LEO citizens) I think cover really needs to be emphasized.
What I learned…
1) “You don’t need to have a jumping around gait”. Roger that.
2) “While focusing on the front sight, look through it towards the target”. Ummm. Ok.
3) Round men dressed in yellow and black look like bumble bees.
The one area I think he should have touched on is that
unnecessary movement can be as bad, or worse, than
staying stationary. The human brain, like most mammals,
is hardwired to sense movement. Your eyes are
automatically drawn into tracking that movement. Some
find that moving targets are easier to hit than still ones.
Though others obviously don’t (judging by my skeet
I was very surprised when he mentioned that moving
could have an innocent enter your line of fire. After
checking POSA’s site and videos, this appears to be the
ONLY time it’s actually mentioned that everyone is not
a bad guy. I’m all for training, but maybe POSA and
the officers it trains would be better off learning target
recognition instead of how to dive behind couches.
I checked out their site to0. Looks like they have dozens of hours of training.
You watched them all in the last 20 minutes since this vid was posted??
Touche. I’ll amend my statement to say that,
target recognition does not appear in any of their
articles or power points and does not show up as
a topic for any video. Much of the training
does seem fairly decent so I’ll finish watching them
all through, but so far no references to good guys
getting in the way.
I still maintain that given the number of incidents
involving friendly fire, real and in training(with
more than a few reported right here at TTAG) that
target recognition training would be more beneficial.
I learned that when walking, make ground contact with your heel first.
I guess that means no tippy-toe sneaking or prancing.
I also learned that in a gunfight it is better to be behind cover than out in the open.
I never would have thought of that one.
Better to be behind cover than it is to be out in the open. Ya see, that’s the kind of thing they don’t teach you at the academy, so that’s why this POSA thing is so beneficial. I’m going to go watch some more of their videos. They have one called,”Blink: It’ll Keep Your Eyes Moist”, and,”Breathe, or Else You Might Suffocate”.
That’s a very nasty comment about an org that is trying to do some good in this world. Since you obviously didn’t even watch it, you wouldn’t know that the video is not for police officers.
There are a lot of shooters that are not as high-speed and low drag as you seem to think you are. The video is quite useful to lots of folks.
I snotted on myself when he said you could move out of the way of the lead coming at you….hehe.
The rest was pretty good info.
The Groucho walk is what little i remember from my brief time in the marching band back in school.
Today I learned a slow motion rearward Groucho walk makes it look like you’re failing horribly at moonwalking.
im not donating to cops. they get too much money out of my paycheck.
Get off the X!
Sorry, can’t help it
would like to see walk method amongst large stones, bottles, trash and other obstacles that could stumble you..
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