NY Gun Ban Bill Forgets to Exempt Police

“It appears someone forgot to exempt police officers from the ban of ammunition clips with more than 7 bullets in New York State’s new gun control law, ” wabc.com reports. “It’s a big oversight that apparently happened in the haste by the Cuomo Administration to get a tough package of gun-control measures signed into law.” Haste as in Cuomo somehow waiving the Constitutional requirement for a three-day waiting period between a bill’s introduction and a vote in the General Assembly . . .

The NYPD, the State Police and virtually every law enforcement agency in the state carry 9-milli-meter guns, which have a 15-round capacity. Unless an exemption is added by the time the law takes effect in March, police would technically be in violation of the new gun measure.

Technically as in actually. OK, ready?

State Senator Eric Adams, a former NYPD Captain, told us he’s going to push for an amendment next week to exempt police officers from the high-capacity magazine ban. In his words, “You can’t give more ammo to the criminals.”

Or citizens. “Technically.”

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81 Responses to NY Gun Ban Bill Forgets to Exempt Police

  1. avataranon says:

    well if the civilians shouldnt be able to have it why should the cops be able to have it?

    • avatarJB says:

      Stop that kind of thinking you silly goose.

    • avatarCliff H says:

      Was this an oversight, or just wishful Liberal thinking? They passed a law making all those nasty guns and “ammo clips”, etc. illegal. If they really believed what they were doing was effective then one of two things should have followed: 1. NY Cops obviously would never need more than seven bullets in their ammo magazine clips, or 2. NY Cops really shouldn’t need to cary guns anymore anyway, since who are they going to shoot at and why? Nobody else has a gun, why should they need one, much less one with fifteen bullets?

    • avatarSoccerchainsaw says:

      I can’t believe the gall these people have. Current and retired officers to be exempt? Don’t forget to include celebrities and politicians. And Cuomo’s uncle Vinny, Vinny’s got to have his Glock.

    • avatarJ- says:

      Send all the cops to jail!!!

  2. avatarJoshinGA says:

    No one should have said anything about this until after the law took effect. Just sayin…

  3. avatarmountocean says:

    It it too good to be true? Talk about a true champion for the people. I guess Cuomo’s more egalitarian than I thought.

  4. avatar#2 says:

    Someone get the govenor a tissue, he has egg on his face!

  5. avatarJoe says:

    Police tend to be law-abiding and should therefore be held to the same standards as the law abiding, even when it comes to guns.

  6. avatarRoss says:

    That’s great, it’s going to certainty help with keeping the body count down in mass shooting now that the police are restricted to 7 rounds ;)

  7. avatarScott Shaw says:

    I think peace officers need to follow the same laws at the “subjects”…..if you’re going to treat it like a prinicipality, every one of the “kings men” should follow.

    • avatarAlphaGeek says:

      +1

      I’m starting to get really irritated with the whole two-class system for firearms ownership. If you really think 7 rounds are enough, then make it the same law for everyone.

      When the domestic forces of government (state/federal LEOs, etc.) are in a separate legal class from private citizens under laws governing firearms, even unto retirement, and private citizens have LESS access to firepower than domestic forces controlled by the government… how is that not a bald-faced violation of the Second Amendment?

      Seriously, WTF?

      • avatarIvy Mike says:

        The Law has been reduced to a single phrase: “All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others.”

  8. avatarMichael C says:

    Truly a model for ALL gun control laws. Close the police loophole NOW Mr. President!

  9. avatarstateisevil says:

    Hilarious! I absolutely would NOT vote to exempt them. They are the sword of the tyranny. Hey NY cops: F*** YOU.

    • avatarTotenglocke says:

      I’d say that we need a Federal law saying citizens can buy anything they damn well please but that the police and federal agents are limited to six shot .38 special revolvers, .22 lr bolt action rifles, and pump action shotguns of 20 gauge or smaller.

  10. avatarCliff says:

    If retired cops are exempt, so should retired Military. Whoops, wait a minute, they probably have those pesky “assault weapons”

    • avatarAlphaGeek says:

      If retired cops are exempt, EVERYONE should be exempt. Retired cops are not a special class of citizen. Neither are military veterans.

  11. avatarDisThunder says:

    HAW! Excellent.

  12. avatarJürgen says:

    rotflol
    lol
    pwned

    These are the terms that come to mind.

  13. avatarChris says:

    BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA GOOD! It should affect them also. Wwhen they have to face teh same dangers we do on a daily basis with the same tools we do maybe then they will realize the damage they are causing.

  14. avatarSCS says:

    Two words remain……………………….F@cking Idiots.

  15. avatarNick says:

    How do “retired” cops also get exemptions?

    • avatarAccur81 says:

      It depends on the state, and on the manner in which they retire. Some retired LEOs can keep their gear, some can’t. Some move to Texas.

  16. avatarchewcudda says:

    dammit I knew it.

    I got chewed on For my earlier post about this.

    It was bound to happen when you mish mash laws together without looking through them.

  17. avatarLemming says:

    Worrisome that they mention fixing other mistakes. There are some bits in the new law that have consequences they surely didn’t intend that we were looking forward to.

  18. avatarDentalPrepper says:

    The police need more than 7 rounds in a mag so they are not outgunned by criminals. Isn’t that why civilians need more than 7 round mags too?

    • avatarMike in NC says:

      By the NYPD standard 7 rounds for an officer means one hit. A civilian with 7 rounds will have at least 5 hits.

    • avatarBob says:

      They know that perfectly well. They are totally infatuated with authority and they want their subjects unarmed.

  19. avatarKCK says:

    Equal protection under the law????
    I know there is a double meaning here but not really if you are a retired LEO you will get an exemption (when they ammend the law). If you’re not on the job any more, you are a civilian like anyone else. Some are more equal than others.
    WTF

  20. avatarGeoff says:

    Just to point out a factual inaccuracy, THE NYSP use .45GAP as does the Sherrif in ym county and all the municipal depts carry .45ACP. otherwise whne I pointed this out today they all just laughed at it. what cop is going to bust another for a mag over 7rds.

  21. avatarFug says:

    This story needs to get out, tell everyone you know. Cuomo is a moronic scumbag and the whole world should know what a friggin joke New York is.

    Governor Cuombucket and Uncle Moneybags Bloomberg need to be force-fed some humble pie for this shite. Who does he think he’s impressing saying ten round mags are too much? It’s just so damn stupid, the legislators who passed this would have been tarred and feathered back in the day. Nowadays they could put me on a watch list just for implying I may like to see that happen.

    To hell with the nanny statists!

  22. avatarLance says:

    All cops in NY will have to return to revolvers good they deserve it.

  23. avatarDoug says:

    Why shouldn’t law enforcement have to live by the same laws as everyone else? If no one else gets 8 bullets, why should the police need 8 or more?

    I heard that all the violent criminals in New York have already gotten rid of all their “assault” weapons and standard capacity magazines. You see, these are now outlawed, and they don’t want to break the law. So the police have nothing to worry about. All they need to fend off these formerly violent thugs are lollipops, sunshine, and hugs since all the bad things are against the law now and no longer exist.

  24. avatarMark N. says:

    Assemblyman Al Graf (R,C,I-Holbrook) recently expressed his opposition to the poor government process that yielded a hurried vote on incomplete legislation. Graf indicated that the legislation contained numerous flaws, including one that hits extremely close to home.

    “My daughter is a New York City police officer, and under this legislation, we’ll be taking bullets out of her gun while the bad guys have no such limitations,” said Graf. “This is what happens when you circumvent the legal, responsible legislative process: you end up with a well-intentioned bill that completely misses its mark and ends up putting the safety of our children and families at risk.”

  25. avatarJesse says:

    Good. The Police should not be exempt from anything. If a civilian can’t own it neither should they.

  26. avatarAnonymous says:

    I hate the way the reporter just kind of says “yeah it’s a problem, but it’s okay; it was a massive piece of legislation that they rushed on”.

    What.

  27. avatarAaronW says:

    I was at a Yonkers LGS last night. He couldn’t sell me ammo, and was sending everyone that bought a pistol home with the gun, but no mags…

    • avatarMark N. says:

      Which brings up another intended consequence of the law that didn’t work out quite as planned. The purpose of the 7 round mag limit was to block the sale of most handguns in NY state except for those compacts and 1911s that already have a limited capacity. Which is why it was rushed, to force NY LGSs to sell those guns to some other state. Your guy’s solution was to sell without a mag, assuming that at some point someone will fill the need for compliant mags (at an undoubtedly inflated price), thus defeating at least part of the law. I don’t get the ammo bit though. Is there another odious part of the law no one is talking about yet?

  28. avatarBlinkyPete says:

    This would be hilarious… if it weren’t really happening.

  29. avatarDan Schrader says:

    Retired cop = civilian. Period.

    The law should exempt cops ONLY with the service weapons provided by the municipality. Any privately held guns owned by cops should have to be held to the same standard as any other citizen’s privately owned weapon. The service weapons they take home should have to be locked up at all times so their family members and others cannot get access to them. Any weapons that are personally owned and not locked away would have to be restricted to the same standards as their neighbors.

  30. avatarTyler says:

    Morons

  31. avatarIndyEric says:

    Doesn’t this make innocent bystanders safer?

  32. avatarSome Civilian Guy From NY says:

    I hope they think about this carefully. The police are the group responsible for most of the firearms deaths in NY. Think of the innocent children. Think of the innocent dogs that could be saved. /sarcasm.

  33. avatarDaniel Silverman says:

    Can you say WIN!!!
    I find it amusing at best..

  34. avatarMotoJB says:

    Wow…shows what reckless idiots they truly are. Talk about pushing flawed legislation from every angle. Why should cops have more???

  35. avatarCasey T says:

    This means the NYC cops can’t shoot as many innocent bystanders.

  36. avatarKCK says:

    I have a standard when it comes to congressional action that they should ask themselves.
    That is “Are we in the middle of a wild eyed McCarthy Era moment?”
    The president’s question is, “Is what I just signed as bad as the abuse of power Nixon used surrounding Watergate?”
    For the Sepreme court: “Are we about to rule very stupidly on Dred Scott’s case?”
    Answer so far, Naaaah.
    Maybe some hope yet from the Supremes.

  37. avatarDon says:

    Police certainly don’t need KILLING MACHINES with NO LEGITIMATE USE except for mass murder. Especially if any of them are on depression or anxiety medication or have ever lost their temper. What if one of them goes nuts? Imagine the social cost?

    -D

  38. avatarorangeblue says:

    How amazing would it be if enough of the reps who “went along” with this legislation decided to block amending it?

  39. avatarJerry M says:

    When a retired police officer becomes a civilian and wants to continue to posses a handgun he or she should have to apply and pay fees for a concealed carry permit just like the rest of us civilians.

    • avatarMark N. says:

      I completely agree. A raw point out here in California is that leos can buy anything while the rest of us are limited to the Roster of “Safe” Handguns (which is getting smaller, not larger). (There is a loophole, but it adds a c-note to the cost.) Since these leos are buying non-dutyor off duty
      firearms, there is no rational reason for the exemption (an exemption that until fairly recently extended to full auto ARs.)

      Then again, I take the argument one step further. LEOs are an outgrowth and assumed the duties of the old militias. The cops are citizens, not a special class. Therefore there is no constitutional reason that they should be allowed to bear arms that are forbidden to the rest of the citizenry.

  40. avatarHenry Bowman says:

    “You can’t give more ammo to the criminals.”

    Then why is he pushing for an exemption for cops?

  41. avatarRich says:

    I hope those of you who think that this is okay don’t need a cop to need more than 7 rounds protecting you or a family member.

  42. avatarIn Memphis says:

    I guess Ill switch to a 9mm, seems there is going to be some of that back on the shelves. Thanks New York!

  43. avatarJavier says:

    I told you so. just doesn’t cut it. There should be NO exceptions. Enforcing a law which you yourselves don’t have to obey is HYPOCRITICAL. It was a rush job and draconian. No middle ground from NY state politicians just the iron fist(finger is more like it) to its people.

  44. avatardiego says:

    For the millionth time. They aren’t “clips”, they are magazines. You sound uneducated.

  45. avatarAlan Rose says:

    Cops are civilians. Ther are two classes of citizens in America. Civilians and soldiers. Civilian cops just get “exceptions.”

  46. avatarBill says:

    You people who hate the people who protect are absolute naive morons

    • avatarRealist says:

      You’re the moron if you think the NYPD is running around protecting people douchebag. Look at NYPD recent corruption and crime statistics.

      1. Not reporting crimes on the innocent to keep precint crime census low
      2. Police shooting innocent bystanders in unnecessary cinematic shootouts.
      3. Raping women while on duty.
      4. Police prostitution rings.
      5 unjust police harrassment and racist stop and frisk laws.

      These are just the icing on the cake, ignorant douche master…

      Remember what happened to Serpico…

  47. “The NYPD, the State Police and virtually every law enforcement agency in the state carry 9-milli-meter guns, which have a 15-round capacity.”

    Don’t most full size 9mm handguns hold 17 rounds?

    • avatarAccur81 says:

      Full sized 9 mm handgun usually have 15 round standard size mags, but there are many standard size and extended 17 round mags as well.

  48. avatarJeff W says:

    Well here is the conundrum.

    If The people have to be restricted in the amount of ammo they carry, as not to have more than the police.

    Why would the Police need more than the people if the people have less than the police?

    Now, how many times have the “Use of Excessive Force” been applied to the NYPD in the past 10 years?

    Hmmm?

  49. avatarstitch1870 says:

    Anyone else think they when they write the exemption for LEO they’ll have forgotten to include the natty guard in it as well? Or do they plan on limiting and disarming the only truly armed population group?

  50. lol, Get Serious!… Police, “On Duty”, Should be Allowed to Carry “Heavily”, if Needed!… [ Criminals, Have it!....]. They Need it, to do a good job! I’m Oppossed, to Any Form of Gun /Magazine Ban, but Backing, “Stiffer”. Mental and Morale, Background Checks!, Also, Tougher Penalties, for a Person, that violates the “Straw Purchase, Act”!…[One buying Guns, andselling, or giving them to Convicted Felons!]….

  51. avatarBlaine says:

    Governor Cuomo, can you hear every thug in New York laughing at you? Even I can hear the laughter here in Utah!

    Did you really think that any of New York’s criminals will comply with your ridiculous 7-round limit? Do you not understand that the only people affected by your silly law are the responsible voters of New York?

    Governor, thank you for again proving my assertion that law that is based on emotion is always bad law.

    New York needs smarter voters!

  52. avatarJoe says:

    I worked in NYC as a Transit P.O. I carried a .38 Smith&Wesson which was adequate for the job. I really don’t understand why a switch was made to the 9mm. Criminals had access to automatics weapons in the 20′s, 30′s, 40′s, 50′s, you get the idea and the .38 revolver did the job. Diallo might have lived if the officers were using them. Another thing that seems to me unfair is that when I was working I could go into a store that sold guns and buy anything I wanted just showing my ID. I think any weapon that is not to be used at worked, basically the service handgun, should have the same purchase restrictions placed on them as for any other citizen.

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