Gun Store/Gun Show Inventory Survey: This Sucks

Courtesy Chris Dumm for The Truth About Guns

New England’s Bass Pro Shops aren’t the only places that are out of almost everything. Our section of the Northwest has been picked (nearly) clean of All Things 5.56mm, and this photo shows why. It shows only a part of the crowd that showed up 45 minutes before a gun show opened its doors in Portland, Oregon this weekend. Joe Grine, Aharon and myself were among the lucky ones who got to wait indoors; the unlucky rabble stretched almost a quarter-mile around the building and across the Oregon Expo Center parking lot.  What did we (the lucky ones) find when the doors finally opened? Not many ARs, but a lot of surprises…

As the show opened there were a dozen-odd ARs, scattered among a hundred-odd tables, and their prices started in the $1300s. A handful of Century AKs at $700 (*gag*) and up. Two or three 9mm carbines ($700+), a SCAR-H (don’t bother asking) and a single $1800 Benelli M4. Joe’s friend bought that one. There were plenty of normal-capacity magazines on hand for those who didn’t mind tapping a vein and coughing up $45 each for a no-name AK or AR magazine. P-Mags? Beta drums? Fuggedaboutit.

I paid twice what I should have for a not-quite-ubiquitous 9mm pistol magazine, but what’re you gonna do? I only had three, and now I’ve got four.

Those buyers lucky (or foolish) enough to get their hands on an AR only bought themselves another conundrum: there was almost no 5.56mm ammo, and it was $.75 per round. Maybe it was just as well there weren’t many ARs anyway. .22 long rifle was in predictably short supply, even at $5 per 50-round box. Remember the good old days of November, when $200 could score you 1,000 rounds of 9mm or 5.56?

Haven’t we all been here before?

Courtesy Chris Dumm for The Truth About Guns

Yes, and no. All of us old enough to buy our own guns will remember the last big gun and ammunition price bubble a few years ago, and we all (eventually) saw those astronomical prices come back down to reality. Today’s panic bubble has a greater urgency, however, and more basis in reality. When it comes to normal-capacity magazines and semi-automatic rifles, we may be nearing the end of the road. For real.

The DiFi AWB might die an ignominious death in committee, or the liberal Democrat statists (joined by enough Republican Quislings) might ram it through. I can’t read the tea leaves on this, so I won’t waste your time trying. We all know what we can do politically, so let’s just do it.

Where are the bargains? Steel and Walnut.

Courtesy Chris Dumm for The Truth About Guns

Everything ‘Call Of Duty’ has been sold out for weeks, but everything ‘Field & Stream’ is selling at very reasonable prices. Here’s a discreet photo of Aharon with the unfired .357 Magnum Winchester Model 1894 he scored last week for $600. Winchester hasn’t made these for almost a decade, and Marlin’s pistol-caliber carbines have been sold out (or out of production, or too shitty to er with) for almost two years. Despite this scarcity Aharon picked up this compact and quick-firing defensive carbine for less than half the price of a no-frills AR-15. And it holds 11+1 rounds of .357.

For every bare-bones $1500 Olympic Arms AR at the gun show (all three of them) there were five Marlin or Winchester .30-30s for under $400 each, and we even found several well-used pistol caliber lever guns for under $500. The guns are cheap, the ammo is relatively cheap, and it’s still plentiful: .30-30 hunting rounds are still $15 a box, which is the same price as 5.56mm. This is an important benefit to having a boring gun in panic times: none of the AR fanboys will buy all your ammo off the shelves.

Another case in point: Three years ago I couldn’t find a single Savage Model 99 used for less than $750, but yesterday I saw several of them in .308 for less than $500. Good luck finding cheap ammo for these classic rifles, though.

Dr. Strangegun, or, How I Learned To Stop Worrying And Love The Mossberg

Courtesy Chris Dumm for The Truth About Guns

Joe’s friend snagged the only Benelli M4, but there were dozens and dozens of boring old pump-action shotguns on the racks, and you had to be pretty picky to pay more than $350 for a new one. Want a used Mossberg? Got two hundred bucks? They might never have their own ‘Call Of Duty’ exclusive DLC, but they’ll serve you faithfully for decades and they’re cheaper than a tricked-out .22. Shotgun ammo is largely the same price that it was two months ago, and there’s still a lot of it around.

What About Gun Stores?

I’ve checked most of the area’s biggest Big Box sporting goods stores, and several of the bigger standalone gun dealers in the last few weeks. The story is the same everywhere: the minute anything AR, AK or .22 hits the shelves, it’s gone. Pistols of every description are plentiful, however, and revolvers are selling fairly slowly. Military centerfire ammo (9mm, 5.56, .308) is mostly gone, but other handgun and hunting calibers are still available in quantity. Prices are (duh) higher than they were in November, but non-military centerfire calibers haven’t seen the panic buying that’s Hoovered up all the 5.56 and .308.

What’s A Guy To Do?

If you must have an AR, this might be your last chance or it might not. Beware that you’ll pay 75% to 150% more today than you would have paid for the same rifle two months ago. And you might not find many magazines, or many cartridges, to feed it with.

While black rifles have never been in hotter demand, there’s never been a cheaper time to buy a used hunting rifle or shotgun. You can even feed your semi-auto jones, as long as you’re willing to give up the black plastic and phosphate for walnut and blued steel. I saw a half-dozen classic Remington Model 740s and 7400s, chambered in ubiquitous calibers like .270 and .30-06, for less than $500. Don’t scorn these old-timers just because your granddad might have hunted with them. They’re not sub-MOA tackdrivers, but they’ll put meat on the table. With a little scrounging you can even find 10-round magazines for them, and these cheap gun-show pickups can show a Garand (or a gang of bad guys) a thing or two about firepower.

Times are bad, and they might get much worse, but a prudent shooter can find some real bargains right now. When the world is running down, you make the best of what’s still around.

Anybody wanna buy a used Bulgarian AK-74 and a couple thousand rounds of ammo?

94 Responses to Gun Store/Gun Show Inventory Survey: This Sucks

  1. avatarEd Rogers says:

    So, we can plainly see that the average American wants control of their guns…NOT gun control!

    Oh, Utah is sparse on guns & ammo as well. I was “lucky to pick up a box of .38.

  2. avatarPatrick says:

    If have need owen Ar 15 or Ak 47 right now ever store in town picked clean of them. Last gun show you went to was picked clean then to . You might want try your luck at places like www. gunbroke.com or http://www.gunsamerica.com . Price gone be high owen one right now last time check each those web site prices match what guy above tell you what they well be. Price handguns gone up to long with rifles.

  3. avatarjwm says:

    I don’t honestly think we’re going to lose the EBR’s. But this panic buying is going to leave a lot of people with the hungover feeling when reality sets in and they got to pay those credit cards off.

    Living in California with it’s AWB has taught me to appreciate guns like the pump shotgun and the revolver. Best part of the revolver is you eliminate the need for pricey mags. And the .30-30 has long been a favorite of mine. I gave my pre safety marlin to my son. It may be time to start shopping for a replacement.

    Just for nostalgia’s sake my first .30-30 was a winchester 94 I bought new from sears for 89 dollars. The world sure has changed.

    • avatarS.CROCK says:

      i know right. us ca natives are like wow 6 hours from here in az you are actually free, and you can own a 30 round mag if you can find them. i also have more respect for the revolver than probably a lot of others who live in a free state.

    • avatarmatt says:

      Those pricey mags are replaced with pricey speed loaders. You say you dont need them? Well you you can use the one mag which came with your pistol the exact same way.

      I bought my RFB in ’09, when there was less than 300 of them made and I never felt hung over for dropping 2k on a rifle.

      • avatarjwm says:

        The mags for my sigma are 32+ dollars. My speed loaders are less than half that. Speed strips are even cheaper. Besides, I’m high drag and low speed. For a quick reload I just pull my other revolver.

        I have nothing against an auto, I own a couple myself. But if I don’t have one I don’t feel naked either.

      • avatarmatt says:

        You think $32 mags are expensive? I remember paying $25-$30 for some rusted god knows how old, surplus FAL mags. My FNP45 mags were $65 each (before the panic) plus a extra $25 each for extensions and new springs. FNP45 mags are damned hard to find too, and they wont feed full length ammo either. FNH really loves to bend people over a barrel, personally I think they are the new HK.

        • avatarjwm says:

          30+ bucks for Makarov mags that are probably as old as me if you can find them. But I do love my mak. Still, it just makes the point. Detachable mags are an extra expense and hassle in the supply chain.

          I think that all of us should be able to purchase and carry any gun that’s available to the cops. That’s a statement of my beliefs.

          But personally, I like to roll old school. Wheelguns and lever guns and milsurp rifles with pump shotguns.

    • avatarSanchanim says:

      Oh I just feel so peachy now.. Really NOT!!!

  4. avatarPulatso says:

    Went by my local Sport Authority yesterday just to nose and except for the 9mm, .22, and 5.56 being sold out, you’d hardly know there was a run. Plenty of .38 Special, .357 Mag, .45 ACP, .380, and all the other rifle rounds (including 7.62 and .308) were plentiful.

  5. avatarAlphaGeek says:

    Aharon, you lucky bastard — I am completely envious of your new levergun. Clearly I’m going to have to start visiting some gun shows if gems like that are to be had.

    • avatarAharon says:

      AlphaGeek,

      Thanks! Chris Drum was actually the one who found it at a lgs in Portland that sells used and new guns about ten days ago. Fortunately, we had earlier met up for burgers and the lgs was down the street from the restaurant. Chris graciously allowed me to buy it since he already has a couple of lever-actions.

      The gun is in mint condition and has probably never before been fired. There were tiny metal filings inside the receiver that needed to be cleaned out and the forged metal marks could still be seen. The model is the Winchester 94 Trails End (cowboy action style) built in 2004. It has a 20″ octagon barrel, a crescent shaped steel butt, and a top tang safety. The Winchester’s metal and wood fit and finish is fine. On Sunday, we shot .38 special from it. It really is still a surreal dream to now own it.

      • avatarAlphaGeek says:

        Yeah, that jealousy thing I mentioned? Doubled and squared after reading your response.

        If/when I track one down for myself, it’s getting a pic rail on top with a red dot sight and slide-to-side 7x magnifier.

        • avatarAharon says:

          :) A friend of mine told me that if I ever sell it to a gun dealer before letting him buy it he is going to kick my butt. I think I got such a great deal because the gun store staff really seriously doesn’t appreciate the Winchester 94 models made after 1964 and especially ones with a safety.

          I am looking into replacing the rear and front sights. I like your idea about the pic rail and red dot. I might do something like that in the future. The thought of having a cowboy scout rifle is very cool.

        • avatarSwarf says:

          I put Skinner sights on mine, they are very nice. Look in to them if you aren’t already familiar with them.

          Also put on a rail and a 4x front mounted scope with removeable rings.

          Butt cuff, forearm cuff. That’s 30+1 ready to go.

          It certainly doesn’t look like John Wayne’s gun any more, but I like it.

        • avatarAharon says:

          Thanks Swarf. I’ll look into it.

      • avatarjwm says:

        Good find Aharon. Now you’ll have to get a reloading set up for it and your revolver. Keep yourself supplied in quality target ammo that way.

  6. avatarJim says:

    Pardon my ignorance, but what does MOA mean?

    • avatarMikeP says:

      Mike’s Outta Ammo
      *ducks*
      Sorry, couldn’t resist. It’s Minute of Arc/Minute of Angle. 1 MOA is roughly equal to 1 inch of divergence at 100 yards. A 1 MOA gun should, with proper trigger control, etc, put all shots within 1 inch of each other @ 100 yards. 2 MOA = 2 inches, so forth and so on.

    • avatarAlphaGeek says:

      Minute of arc, or alternatively minute of angle. See the Firearms section of this Wikipedia article:

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minute_of_arc

    • avatarAir Force TSgt says:

      Google broken?

    • avatarBrandon says:

      Minute of Angle. There are MUCH better explanations out there than what I am about to give like here http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VA2PZBD5Tjg but it is basically 1 inch diameter at 100 yards, or the equivalent there of (2 in at 200, 1/2 in at 50, ect…) the measurement is not exact, but close enough. So, a sub MOA gun is capable of putting x number of shots into under 1 inch at 100 yards. Please feel free to add to this explanation or correct me if I am wrong.

    • avatarEd says:

      firearm’s accuracy will be measured in MOA. This simply means that under ideal conditions i.e. no wind, match-grade ammo, clean barrel, and a vise or a benchrest used to eliminate shooter error, the gun is capable of producing a group of shots whose center points (center-to-center) fit into a circle, the average diameter of circles in several groups can be subtended by that amount of arc. For example, a 1 MOA rifle should be capable, under ideal conditions, of shooting an average 1-inch groups at 100 yards. Most higher-end rifles are warrantied by their manufacturer to shoot under a given MOA threshold (typically 1 MOA or better) with specific ammunition and no error on the shooter’s part. For example, Remington’s M24 Sniper Weapon System is required to shoot 0.8 MOA or better, or be rejected.

  7. avatarDavid says:

    How about that which is not call of duty nor field & stream? Like cold war era semi-autos and handguns?

    • avatarMr. Lighter says:

      I’m not sure about the handguns, but M1As, FALs, and PTR 91s are all rare and expensive right now.

  8. avatarAir Force TSgt says:

    This sucks, right before the Tavor comes to the US this crap goes down :(

  9. avatarBrooklyn in da house says:

    I went to the LGS in the East Bay today and they had nothing at all. The walls were bare not a single rifle but thats not why i was there. I wanted to buy another handgun. The store usually has about 100 or so guns on display and today there was 2 glocks, a p22 and a ruger mark 3. No 22lr or 9mm. I then stopped by Big 5 same story with ammo they had 5 boxes of 9mm wwb for $19. Scary!

  10. avatarMick says:

    Does it worry anybody that even the Winchester ’94 carbine shown above would be an assault weapon under DiFi’s bill? 11+1 capacity, and the only specific exemptions for ammo capacity included in the bill were regarding tube-fed .22′s.

    • avatarAlphaGeek says:

      Yes and no. It would be pretty easy to install a magazine block to reduce capacity to 10+1… but then there’s the debate over what constitutes “permanent”.

      Or, y’know, you could just make sure to only load 10 rounds at a time on the range and figure it’s pretty darn unlikely that someone’s going call the LEOs on your high-capacity Cowboy Assault Rifle.

    • avatarAharon says:

      It worries me a bit though I’m not letting the possibility unduly stress me out. As AG mentions, a block can be installed. I’m more concerned about those of you with ARs, AKs, and semi-auto pistols. My guns will probably not be those Big Sister is coming for in the first wave of the endless war. However, I know that I am on the list to be attacked eventually. I stand in support with other gun owners since there is strength in numbers and I recognize the gun-grabbers plan to divide and conquer us.

  11. avatarChris says:

    I’m coming up empty on ammo everywhere I have looked except for one Walmart I happened to stop by in Orangeburg, SC when I was traveling.

  12. avatarAnonymous says:

    How much do you want for the 74?

  13. avatarJeh says:

    Everybodys out. Every Walmart, BPS, range, and Dicks. Ya know, this ammo shortage could create jobs? Worked a good bit in WW2, shortage of ammo for our men, so we hired more people to work the lines. Its not the easiest thing to do or teach but hell atleast its something. My apologies if I dont understand the background of mass ammo manufacturing and hiring.
    (Paper work and licensing and such?)
    Just trying to for once be positive because damn…iv got 3 mags of .223 left and it makes me wanna sob a bit.

  14. avatarSam S. says:

    I’ll buy the ammo if the price is right!

  15. avatarBob says:

    So what’s the industry got to say about the refill rates? Are the ammo mills running 3 shifts, 7 days a week? Same for semi auto rifles?

    Or are they sitting back waiting to see wtf before they commit resources?

    I’ve only heard talk about the shortage not about how the industry is going to refil those empty shelves.

    • avatarMichael says:

      From what I understand, the ammo manufacturer’s have held a fairly steady supply stream for the last several years. They make X amount of rounds per year, which is picked up by the various distributors, who then sell to the retailers. Manufacturers stay profitable when they set their line as close to meeting expected orders as possible without going too far past it. If they make too much, they’ve over-produced and the distributors aren’t going to pay for extra product they don’t expect to sell.

      So then, you have a run on ammo like we’re seeing now. Warehouses have been cleaned out and now retailers are trying to buy directly from the manufacturers in some instances. But it takes time for the manufacturers to ramp up production. It isn’t just about hiring more people. They also need to build more factories, buy more machines, and hire more workers to man those machines. That takes an invest of time and money. The money they likely have. It’s the timing that’s the issue, but more importantly it’s the risk involved.

      Will the lawmakers pass a bill that will either ban their product or ban a rifle that requires their product? Or is it another bubble like in years past that will still render any investment in increased production obsolete? Either way, it’s hard to justify risking the time and money to expand your business when the two most likely outcomes would ensure any expansion hurts your company.

  16. avatarMike in NC says:

    I have never seen so much thudy-thudy on store shelves! I think they are spreading it out to fill more space than usual so that the shelves don’t look so empty. Some steel AK rounds at the store which should get renamed as “Troy’s” after the lawsuits. Gander had 1000 round boxes of UMC 9mm for their pre-panic price of $249.

    Oh yeah, it’s seems to be a good time for .17 Hamster-Mouse-Rodent availability.

  17. TX is like everywhere else. The only AR’s are 2K up and you can’t find ammo. I sell an aluninum bump fire stock and I can’t get them made fast enough.

  18. avatarJohn Fritz says:

    Anybody wanna buy a used Bulgarian AK-74 and a couple thousand rounds of ammo?

    There’s probably a few thousand folks out there that would take you up on that offer.

    About two months back a friend of mine made an impulse purchase of a VEPR slant-cut receiver 5.45 and a couple of Spam cans of corrosive ammo. Thought at the time his money could’ve been better spent. Just look at him now. ;)

    • avatarWLCE says:

      ive seen bulgarian AKs and ammo combo packs sell for over 1700.
      three months ago, i had a nephew buy a SAR3 with extra ammo and mags for 800. That is how crazy the market is.

  19. avatarBlehtastic says:

    I’ve always wanted a good old 45-70, double barrel coach gun, and a revolver in 45 colt. Might be time to cowboy up.

    Maybe even get a Stetson to go with it.

    • avatarjwm says:

      Have you priced .45-70 ammo lately. Blehtastic? .45 colt is pricey but that .45-70 is over the top.

    • avatarAharon says:

      I’m sorta doing a modern cowboy-up.

      Winchester 94 20″-octagon barrel lever-action ‘cowboy action shooter’ .357
      Ruger SP101 4″ barrel DA/SA revolver .357
      Ruger LCR 2″ barrel DA revolver .357

      • avatarSwarf says:

        We have similar rigs: Marlin 1894c in .357, Ruger SP101 4.2″ in .357 and Ruger LCR in .38.

        Someday I want to bookend that 1894 with a Marlin 39a and a Marlin 336 just to see ‘em all lined up.

        • avatarAharon says:

          We do have similar rigs. Our SP101′s are the same model. I like your goal to bookend with Marlin’s .22 and 30-30 lever-actions. I believe that it was Chris who said he saw a used Savage lever-action in .30-06 at the gun show for a good price. That would be an interesting gun to own and I’m sorta regretting not going back to take a closer look. If you ever get to Portland Oregon go to the Gun Room to see their collection of used lever-actions, and look me up too.

  20. avatarPhydeaux says:

    I visited The Gunbroker in Tigard last Sunday. The sell both new and used. The place was practically cleaned out. Zero wheel guns that would be vaguely applicable for concealed carry. Ditto the semiautomatics. All they had were a couple Glock service pistols in expensive calibers, and a few really expensive full size 1911s. They plenty of old hunting rifles, but nothing semiautomatic. It was pretty shocking.

    Interestingly, they did say many semi auto pistols were available for order through dealers (who are supposedly not out of stock). I asked about a Beretta Nano and he said he could get one for $419, which is a pretty good price.

  21. avatarLars says:

    We are our own worst enemy when it comes to supply issues. Yes the gungrabbers in government and media started this fight but many of us pro-folks responded with not strength and sureness, but fear and confusion. Running like fricking children to the lunch line in the cafeteria in grade school. Everybody remembers those few people, mostly guys, who had to be first in the lunch line. Except this is on a much larger scale but it’s the same silliness. The food isn’t going anywhere and neither are the guns and ammo, at least not when we act in accordance as gun supporters should. What, are we like the black Friday shoppers now, fighting each other for last minute xmas gifts and looking like weak pathetic pawns?

    In case some don’t know, the odds that any meaningful and damaging anti-gun legislation will pass is nil. The entire reason the anti-gunners, mostly dems but some republicans, are bringing everything to the table is because they know most of the stuff they demand will never happen. The ND female politician said it well “it’s too extreme”. We all know they were waiting for a moment like Sandy Hook, we could feel the fight brewing with Aurora and the Gabby shooting, but the moment those 20+ children were murdered most of us knew before the anti-gun parade hit the media outlets that day that this was it. The true fight begins, sadly after the gun-grabbers use the dead children as fuel for new gun legislation like the cowards they are.
    I’ve said this before, we will know more just by how the NRA responds. And with the big meeting between the pro-folks like the NRA and the anti-gunners in the whitehouse this week on this issue, we will know the direction we are headed very soon. The only way major gun legislation will pass is if the NRA bows down to the president. If it’s a stalemate or the NRA walks away with a good compromise win, at least on the rough draft issue, we are safe. But if the NRA starts to talk serious compromise we are in for trouble.

  22. avatarfelix says:

    I appreciate the intent of the author, however I really think we need to double our efforts to stop this legilation before it becomes law. A defeatest attitude wont help our cause. We are being made to be the bad guys, when in fact we are some of the most law abiding citizens around. I love my sporting weapons, and yes they are a good deal, but please folks, write your legislatures, call them, support the NRA and LOCAL grassroots gun organizations. In the end, if we lose our rights, and this country falls deeper into a liberal nightmare, at least we can say we did ALL WE COULD.

  23. avatarRandy Drescher says:

    357 mag coming out of a 6″ barrel is pretty awesome, Id like to shoot that rifle. Its a shame that 357 was sissified twice though, I think pressures are down 20 percent from its heyday. That Scar heavy must have been 7 grand, Randy

    • avatarSwarf says:

      Reloading is our friend. I’m just getting in to it seriously.

      I haven’t tried them yet, but I’ve read recipes for loads using gas-checked, wide meplat, hard-cast lead over a pantload of powder (H110 I believe?), that can supposedly take an elk at the 250ish yard range out of a rifle barrel.

      Hell, factory ammo gets in to 30-30 range out of the longer barrels

      The fact that the cartridges were developed for black powder means there is a lot of room in them for modern smokeless.

      • avatarJim B says:

        No, not really. The .357 was developed in the 1930s by Elmer Kieth and others for use with smokeless powder.

        Getting in the range of a 30-30 depends on your meaning of range. To me it is not close but whatever.

        Although you could kill an elk with a .357 it is far from an ideal elk cartridge. Elk can take a lot of killing.

  24. avatarWLCE says:

    I remember olympic arms ARs for 600 and bushies for 700. the good ol days of bush (if there was anything good about his presidency, it was gun availability).

    It amazes me the price for lower tier brands these days.

    1500 or above for a bushy!?
    8-900 for WASRs!?
    50-90 dollar GI AR mags!?
    this is like the twilight zone :D

    if you havent decided to own a AR until now, you picked the worst possible time.

  25. avatarBLAMMO says:

    In the Northeast, you have relatively low market penetration of guns. Now, people who never owned guns before are scrambling to get their hands on anything they can. They figure, “I never needed a gun before but if the Government tells me I can’t have a gun, that’s when I’ll need a gun.”

    I’m glad I loaded up on ammo last year. I have more than most gun shops.

    • avatarAharon says:

      Your president believes that it is only fair that you re-distribute and share your ammo wealth with others.

  26. avatarRob says:

    The Century AKs for $700 isn’t too horrible. I bought my about eight months ago for $500 and they’ve been creeping up (in the area at least) ever since with just over $600 pre-panic pricing a couple months ago.

    I’ve been seeing the Arsenal AKs going for $2000. Now that’s horrible.

  27. avatarJames1000 says:

    Things seem to be a little better here in North GA. Picked up an M&P 15 at my local GS this Saturday. Paid $1034…not bad considering. Anyway, I wasnt really looking to buy but they happened to have just received a few. Also, got lucky with Cabellas this morning. They had Pmags instock for $15. Picked up 5….now ammo, thats a little different. Cant find 223s anywhere, but Academy had a pretty good selection last night of 9s, 40s.

  28. avatarAaronvan says:

    NJ State police are atleast 3 days backed up with checks!!!(about to start day 3 on my fax) Central Jersey here low to no 223 556 my LGS got some in but is 100 rnd limit per customer per day only whitebox 556 and pmc bronze 223 and not much left. I was trying to wait for an AR but the lgs is telling me february for new stock (they moved 600 sine this started!!!!) I decided to get the last .45 cx4 storm they had (and the last mag for it). With any luck my check will clear tomorrow and I’ll have a rifle to take to the range again. My mini 14 wont be seeing the range until we see how things pan out. Also bought the last safe they had.

  29. avatarmiforest says:

    I am seeing some good prices on stuuf people are selling to raise money to buy an AR.

  30. avatarAharon says:

    The gun show was attended by people by a long line of people some of whom seemed desperate in different ways. Many attendees were very business-like and focused in their shopping. The usual fun and casual atmosphere wasn’t there. We were among the first group of attendees to get in thanks to Chris Drum and Joe Grine arriving extra-early to get a place near the front of the line. Two out of three ammo vendors were out of .22 LR.

    Online, I’ve recently been visiting Ammo To Go, Able Ammo, Reds Trading Post, USA Midwest, Brownells, Wholesale Hunter, and Cabelas. They are all essentially out of almost all their .22 LR ammo, and .38 and .357 are getting limited or are gone.

  31. avatarAdam says:

    I only wish I had the same timing for stock market investing. I got into guns about 2 years ago and set myself up for reloading .223 and .308 out of pure hobby interest. I bought my AR 2 months ago and 1000 rnds and just need to develop a good load. Who knows what will happen.

  32. avatarRalph says:

    The DiFi AWB might die an ignominious death in committee

    DiFi might die an ignominious death in committee.

    Fixed.

  33. avatarMotoJB says:

    I would imagine/hope that ammo prices will come back down? I get that people are buying up semi-auto “AW’s” and high cap mags, but why the craze on ammo too?

    No matter what happens with the laws, the ammo market will still be alive and well…and should come back down to earth. No?

    • avatarAharon says:

      Ammo prices will most likely eventually come back down and become more generally available again. People want to cover their bases and have enough(?) ammo for all their important guns. Gun-grabbers are also wanting to tax, ban, regulate, limit, etc ammo buys. There are many factors to consider. Many buyers don’t take home much or any ammo when they buy a gun so will new gun buyers return to stock up on ammo? Will non-AR/semi purchases increase resulting in an ongoing demand for non-AR/semi ammo?

  34. avatarJustice06RR says:

    If you are one of the people looking to buy an AR/AK right now, you are pretty much screwed.

    The gunshow in my area last weekend was no different. The line to get into the show looped around the building like a theme park line. I went first thing on Saturday and It took me 30+ mins to get in, and I got there early. The show was at capacity in less than 2hrs of opening and they were nicely kicking people out by convincing you to come back the next day given a free pass.

    Plenty of AR/AK’s… that were waaaaay overpriced. Nothing less than $1400 for AR’s, AK’s around $1000 or more. There were plenty of ammo, but I did get there early so I imagine by the end of the day it is all gone. Luckily I still managed to buy a new AR mag for $25 , and a Glock 33rd mag for $50.

    9mm was $15/box of 50, and 223Rem was mostly $1/round. I did luck out and find some leftover 223 ammo for $12/box, but only a handful of boxes.

    Crazy times indeed.

  35. avatarLow Budget Dave says:

    Oh look. Paranoia sells. Who knew?

  36. avatarSoccerchainsaw says:

    I went to our local gun shop/indoor range for the regular Monday night pistol league. The shop had reduced their operating hours due to lack of inventory (the rangemaster stayed open for us though). 100 rounds of CCI .22 LR which I normally can get for around $8 was priced at $40. Our league participants were starting to wonder if we should skip sending 72 rounds downrange and hoard them for hard times. Nah, we shot the match anyway. We did have fewer participants than we normally do though.

  37. avatarA Brit in MI says:

    Knew I shouldn’t have sold my never fired Bushmaster AR c/w 6 PMAG’s & 500 rounds of .223 to a relative on Thanksgiving for $600, d’oh!!!!

  38. avatarJoatmon says:

    I purpopsely will not buy or sell any ammo/guns until I see what’s going to happen. I have some ammo and I still shoot but not as much as I used to. This is a sad state of affairs we are in right now. Panic buying does no good but most are sheeple and just go along with the herd.

  39. avatarWilliam says:

    It’s an inconvenience, not a tragedy. It means more Americans with more guns. I’m sure you have a few to tide you over in the meanwhile. REJOICE. Every gun sold is another bulwark against confiscation.

  40. avatarWendy Weinbaum says:

    As a Jewess in the US, I can only say that ANY anti-gun plan from an ignoramus like Slow Joe Biden or his dirty Kenyan boss is bound to be a loser idea. Certainly it will make all REAL Americans put our 2nd Amendment FIRST! Both criminals and overbearing governments respect FIREPOWER, not sweet talk. And remember that America wasn’t won with a registered gun! -Wendy Weinbaum

    • avatarSlab Rankle says:

      You call yourself a Jewess? That’s as bad as calling a black lady a Negress. What’s wrong with you, or are you a fake?

  41. Went to Ohio Gun Collectors show Saturday. This is a “members-only” show. Big attraction is the ability to buy from estate sales, private sales, etc. with no paper trail. “Vanilla” AR-15s in the range $1500 to $2500. Actually saw only about a dozen for sale. Hardly any ammo. Lots of “collectibles” for astronomical prices. For instance, a 1911 manufactured for WW I at higher prices than current 1911s. Not really my cup of tea. Got some accessories at reasonable prices, though.

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