DGU of the Day: Better A Bad DGU Than No DGU? Edition

 

Gunnies will know this Washington State concealed carrier made a number of “mistakes” during her DGU [via us tdn.com]. See how many you can spot.

The 35-year-old woman was near Martin Dock around 8:10 p.m. when the man approached her “aggressively,” sat down and began performing a sex act, then suggested she should watch him, according to the woman and accounts from police. “I put the magazine in my gun. I cocked it,” the woman said in an interview Thursday night. “I said, ‘You need to leave or I’ll shoot you. I’m going to blow your brains out.’ ” “Oh, [expletive]!” the man declared, before running away . . .

The woman, whose name is being withheld by the paper because she is the victim of a sex crime, said she has never before brought her gun, a Ruger .380, with her to the lake, but she grabbed it on her way out the door Wednesday because it was foggy and dark.

“I just had a feeling,” she said . . .

As the man fled, she said she sent her dog, a well-trained Norwegian Buhund Hound, after him. In time, the dog had the man cornered at the gate to Lions Island near Kessler Boulevard. She called her dog back, and the man disappeared into the darkness.

For those of you new to armed self-defense, here’s a list of “rules” our Evergreen State resident violated, starting at the end and working our way backwards.

1. Always carry

You never know when you’re going to need your gun. Hopefully, never. Short of that, who knows? Not you. If you depend on a “feeling in your water” for a decision to carry, or only tool-up when it’s a dark and stormy night, chances are you’ll be wrong.

You only need to be wrong once to end up at room temperature. Or worse. To paraphrase Monty Python, no one expects a strange man to sit next to you and whip out his penis (with certain notable exceptions).

2. Walk away

Indecent exposure is a crime. However, it does not constitute a lethal threat in and of itself. (Even though the victim was with her six-year-old son.) Legally, you’re only allowed to brandish or indeed discharge your firearm when faced with an imminent, credible threat of death of grievous bodily harm.

Perhaps the masturbator was about to turn murderous. If so, chocks away. Remembering that any decision to bring your weapon to bear and/or fire it will be subject to the “reasonable person” standard. Would a reasonable person have thought that the flasher was a potentially lethal threat?

Probably. And it must be said the crime is so distasteful that you’d be hard-pressed to find a DA or jury that would give a damn if his rights had been violated. I reckon they’d give the vicitm a free pass even if she plugged the penis pulling perp.

Regardless, I would not recommend that anyone stick around to find out, or attempt to make a citizen’s arrest, on someone engaging in public perversion. As always, it’s better to avoid, evade and escape from any kind of criminal behavior.

The only gun battle you’re guaranteed to win is the one you never have.

3. Carry your gun properly

According to this report, the vic had time to see the perv, retrieve her gun’s magazine (from her purse, presumably), load the firearm, aim it and yell at the bad guy? That’s lucky. What if the bad guy hadn’t sat down? What if flashing was prelude to rape, torture or murder (and not necessarily in that order)?

What if there’d been a second bad guy? And so on. Anyone who doesn’t carry their gun in its maximum state of readiness, including a well-positioned holster, is surrendering the potentially life-or-death advantage of surprise to their attacker(s). If an armed self-defender is uncomfortable with one in the pipe, so be it. But mag out? Really? In a word, no.

4. Keep all commands short 

In a high-stress situation, the ability to process linguistic subtlety disappears. How many bad guys were shot when told “Get your hands up!” followed by “Drop your weapon!”? Plenty.

“You need to leave or I’ll shoot you. I’m going to blow your brains out.” If these are the gun toter’s exact words, they lack focus and direction. Worse, “I’m going to blow your brains out” is a clear signal that the bad guy should attack. Why wouldn’t they?

A gun pointed at a bad guy pretty much takes care of the “blow your brains out” part of the equation. If you have time to vocalize, the actual command should be LEAVE! Assuming, of course, that YOU can’t leave. That said, maybe you could both leave together. You know; separately.

One of my faves: DROP YOUR WEAPON. Which works in this case, albeit in a distinctly ew kind of way. “DON’T MAKE ME KILL YOU!” is another really good shout out, especially if there are people (i.e. witnesses) nearby. Anyway, keep all commands short, simple and clear.

5. STFU

Just as I can Monday morning quarterback this self-described DGU from the comfort of the airport lounge, a DA could contemplate her account and be even more antagonistic to the victim’s action from his political perch. As in decide to yank the flashee’s carry license. Or worse.

Again, the nature of the crime makes that unlikely. But the general rule applies: say nothing about your DGU to the police without a lawyer present. Say nothing about your DGU to the press until and unless the case is fully resolved in both criminal and civil courts. And maybe not even then.

6. Do not sick your dog on anyone—unless you have to

Messing someone up competition: .380 or Norwegian Buhund Hound? I’m sure TTAG’s canine experts can advise us on the dangers/advantages of a “trained” dog vs. a small(ish) caliber firearms for self-defense. But there’s no getting around the fact that you are legally responsible for what your dog does to another person.

I’m more confident in my firearms skills than than my dog control. Then again, my Schnauzers are “assault dogs” only in the sense that a Tic-Tac is an adequate substitute for lunch at Johnny Rockets. YCMV.

Whew! OK, result! An innocent woman defended her honor, and maybe her life. And maybe the lives of other women. A firearm was used to stop a crime and no one got shot. The only thing that would make it better: if the police had apprehended the perv. As for the other possibility, I say nothing.

 

comments

  1. avatar Will says:

    That’s a great picture.

  2. avatar Ralph says:

    Blowing some dude’s brains out for snapping the carrot seems a bit extreme to me, but then again, I wasn’t there. Really. I got witnesses.

    1. avatar PaddyC says:

      Snapping the carrot? Come on, we’re all grownups here. Flogging the bishop, please.

  3. avatar Jon R. says:

    I personally wouldn’t say “Don’t make me kill you!,” it might make my state of mind and motives seem questionable. I’d just say “Don’t make me shoot you!” instead, or maybe “I don’t want to have to shoot you!…”

    I’m not an expert, but saying the word “kill” to a possible aggressor (especially if there were witnesses around) seems like it should be avoided.

  4. avatar Aharon says:

    I had sent TTAG a link to this story today. Now that I’m reading all the details something seems fishy.

    She just had a ‘feeling’ so she brought her gun…why then did she still go to the lake and bring her young child if she had such a strong feeling?
    She brought an unloaded semi with her that she had to load later…
    She had her 6-year old face her and believes he didn’t know what was going on…
    She claims to have remained calm, threatened to blow his brains out, sent her dog after him, he disappeared into the darkness…

    The ‘man’ approached her to mate-her-bate with a child and a dog there too?
    The ‘man’ wasn’t concerned about being attacked by the dog (or the woman being armed)?
    “The woman, whose name is being withheld by the paper because she is the victim of a sex crime…” Wrong. The woman is an ‘alleged’ victim at this point.
    The media and woman’s version of the story about her experience reads too much like a novel…

    1. avatar RightYouAreKen says:

      It takes an even weirder turn. Apparently she then returned home, looked through online sex offender lists, and think she’s found the guy.

      http://blogs.seattletimes.com/today/2012/11/flasher-flees-after-longview-woman-pulls-out-gun/

      1. avatar Aharon says:

        It would be something if the man she is identifying as the man at the lake is her cousin’s best friend’s ex-lover. I just hope the police keep in mind that an estimated 10% of women are believed to suffer from having a borderline personality disorder while another 33% are on anti-depressants.

  5. avatar MotoJB says:

    Glad it worked out for her. Could have been a lot worse. At least she had her weapon with her when needed. I bet she’ll never forget to bring her cocked/locked firearm next time. I have to ask though, how do you claim she maybe defended the lives of other women? The scumbag got away. He’s free to do the same thing to another woman.

  6. avatar Joe Grine says:

    The whole story sounds completely made up. Just sayin. But even if true, the facts set forth above do not present a situation where a self-defense shooting is legally justified. If this chick has a CCP now, she probably won’t have it for long.

    1. avatar Dr. Kenneth Noisewater says:

      Meh, minutesOfSleepLost(“dead perv”) == 0. Same goes for mental patient hoboes.

      In a “He bled she said” version of this story, he reached for her crotch and she feared for her life, so she had to stop him. Then she wisely STFU and called a lawyer.

      1. avatar Joe Grine says:

        Maybe that works, maybe it doesn’t. Guess wrong and you spend 10-20 years in jail. Not worth taking the chance.

  7. avatar g says:

    I haven’t spent a lot of time around Longview (since the story says Martin Dock, I assuming it’s there), but it sounds like your stereotypical urban encounter of sex offender/pervert vs random woman. Here in Seattle, Green Lake park is popular jogging spot and it’s generally safe, but because a lot of college age women go there, it’s also become a spot that predators seek out victims, especially at night. Women who are armed AND have a good dog are much safer than those who have neither.

    Washington state is nice place to live and safer than most places these days, but people forget that Ted Bundy used to hang around here too.

    1. avatar RightYouAreKen says:

      And Gary Ridgeway….

  8. avatar AlphaGeek says:

    On one hand, if the story is true (and I’m with Joe Grine in doubting its complete veracity) then the woman overreacted. Badly. And really, really needs to get some training on how to effectively manage her weapon.

    On the other hand, it’s a short road from a non-contact but directed sex offense, to full-on sexual assault. If an adult male approached my wife in a park at night while pointedly rubbing one out, I expect the very least he would receive would be 3-5 seconds of OC foam on ALL of his exposed skin. Ouch.

    Sitting on a bench? More of a disgusting nuisance than a threat, leave the area with OC canister in hand while keeping an eye on the nutjob.

  9. avatar Aharon says:

    The blog ‘Community of the Wrongly Accused’ is the new name/organization of the earlier ‘False Rape Society’ site. They have documented well in excess of 2,000+ cases of false allegations.
    Here is a summary of one of the latest stories:

    Washington Post Editorial demands wrongly accused man be released
    A wrongly imprisoned man in Virginia
    The Washington Post Published: November 13

    “IN VIRGINIA, a young man has languished in prison for four years for a crime he did not commit. Now that his lone accuser has admitted that she invented the charges against him, the state and the courts seem paralyzed, unable to quickly arrange for the release of the wrongfully imprisoned man. This is a travesty.”

    http://www.cotwa.info/

  10. avatar Bryan says:

    “Now, I don’t wanna kill you, and you don’t wanna be dead”. Mal Johnson (Danny Glover) Silverado

  11. avatar 6 gunner says:

    That smokewagon should’ve never been skinned. Better handled with a cellphone it sounds like to me, but who knows maybe there’s more to the story than it seems.

    1. avatar Gherkin says:

      Remind me again which one skinned their smokewagon?

      1. avatar Not Too Eloquent says:

        Who talks like that?

        1. avatar AlphaGeek says:

          Time travelers, apparently.

        2. avatar Matt in FL says:

          I’ll tell ya who talks like that. Wyatt Earp does: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQVsyvuij20

          That’s Mr. Earp to you, boyo.

          Right up there with this gem:

          Just remember what ol’ Jack Burton does when the earth quakes, and the poison arrows fall from the sky, and the pillars of Heaven shake. Yeah, Jack Burton just looks that big ol’ storm right square in the eye and he says, “Give me your best shot, pal. I can take it.”

  12. avatar NWGlocker says:

    On my lunch hour, and something smells fishier than my tuna melt

  13. avatar Gs650g says:

    Plug him, push him the water, call it a day.

  14. avatar tdiinva says:

    As to the dog versus a 380, it depends on the dog. Technically, Jethro the bear hunting Plott Hound would sure put a world of hurt on said flasher if Jethro weren’t such mild mannered fellow. Angela the Red Tick might have decided to go for a nibble and solved the problem for the rest his life.

  15. avatar mikeb302000 says:

    She should have been arrested. Instead this counts as another legitimate DGU. This is how you reach those incredible numbers.
    http://mikeb302000.blogspot.it/2012/11/criminal-act-disguised-as-legitimate-dgu.html

    1. avatar tdiinva says:

      Tell me Mr. Bonomo, do you worry about some woman drawing down on you while you flash her?

      1. avatar CarlosT says:

        Have a heart, man. It’s getting so Mike can’t even have a decent wank in public these days.

  16. avatar Sneakers says:

    Oh my! Those Truth of the matter Tv set Actors can gaol for everyone tough time. Just about any option you can easily purchase the Kardashians with within this movement?

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