Gun Review: SIG SAUER 716 Patrol Rifle

83 responses

  1. avatar
    Eric
    October 9, 2012

    Great review, I learned a bunch. Thanks.

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      Jimbo Seal Team 2
      February 27, 2014

      Excellent Weapon.
      Have put hundreds of rounds through recently procured 716 and flawless. well machined and well-made and it’s an absolute benefit for recoil!

      It’s a .308, not a .223/.556 so a heavy frame is to be expected and this machine delivers with great accuracy, in my experience.

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    Amarante
    October 9, 2012

    I’m waiting for a PWS MK216 review.

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      J-beezy
      October 13, 2012

      ^this

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    bontai Joe
    October 9, 2012

    I like the look and the specs of this rifle and the price isn’t out of this world. But I wonder if they would make one with a 24″ barrel?

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      beauvieux philippe louis
      April 13, 2014

      what would you with a barrel of ( almost ) 61 cm ?!?

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        beauvieux philippe louis
        April 13, 2014

        i forgot the ” DO”

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    Chris Dumm
    October 9, 2012

    Impeccable reliability from a SIG? I’m shocked, shocked, I tell you! Okay, not really.

    $2,300 seems a little steep for a rifle of this class, since those Benjamins can get you a non-accessorized 16″ Rock River LAR-8 with $1,000 left over for gadgets and ammo. But if the SIG can hit the street for $1,700, that’s a whole different proposition. A Magpul stock and free-floating quad-rail will bring the two rifles’ costs almost equal.

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      Oni
      November 8, 2012

      I bought my first 716 a couple months back for $1700. I bought a FDE version this past Tuesday for $1823 out the door. I love this rifle, and it certainly has been a beast. I have had absolutely no complaints or issues with it. It eats whatever I feed it. I am only using Magpul Pmags but I have shot numerous rounds from various manufacturers through mine. I have no problem rolling around with the weight even with an additional optics package and accessories.

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        Chelsey
        December 29, 2012

        Where did you buy your 716? My step dad really wants Sig Sauer 716 recon or a Springfield armory M1A National match rifle walnut stock. Do you know where I could purchase either one of these guns

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        beauvieux philippe louis
        April 13, 2014

        even 2500 or 3000 us dollars ,you’re so Lucky you Américans friends ,unfortunately for the frenchs is truly hell ,and yet we are Lucky if there is a trick to buy an assault rifle , but if the cops catch you ,it’s good for a free visit to one of our “castles” with bars to the Windows !

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      Gene Hughes
      June 28, 2013

      I got my 716 recently for $1,600, and this old Marine shooter couldn’t be happier, as the usual gun show/auction site price (when available) is around $2,500. Fires like a dream and loves the ammo I’ve fed it so far. Looking for recommendations for scopes …

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        Jeff Fortune
        October 13, 2013

        I am sure this is the rifle I want. Where did you get such a good deal?

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    aweds
    October 9, 2012

    My experience with the 716 has not been that pleasant, so far. It had HORRIBLE reliability right out of the box with short cycling, FTF nearly every other round in the first 80-100, and failure to lock the bolt to the rear when the mag was empty. It took three disassemblies, three cleanings, two different cleaner/ lubricants and over 150 rounds of a variety of .308 and 7.62×51 ammo from Federal, American Eagle, Fiocchi, and Remington in bullet weights ranging from 150gr to 175gr to get the beast working. I’m still luke warm on this rifle as it is being very picky with what ammo it likes, but at least it is finally cycling with AE 168gr OTM. The bolt, however, still occasionally doesn’t lock to the rear. I’m hoping more shooting will fix that as the buffer spring gets worked in. Overall, though, I consider the 716 a work in progress. Not what I expected from Sig… And I’m not a hater. I have 6 of their pistols and love them.

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      Darren
      October 9, 2012

      I have a CMMG piston-converted S&W M&P-15R in 5.45x39mm that was a jam-o-matic with C Products mags (including the factory mag from S&W), but runs like a sewing machine with AR-Stoner mags. It was destined to become a safe queen with the reliability shown by C Products mags, but I trust it…well, more anyway…with the AR-Stoner mags.

      Do you think your FTF problems could have been mag-related?

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        aweds
        October 9, 2012

        It’s possible, but I used 4 different SR25 compatible PMAGS, including the one it came with. I haven’t tried any metal mags in it.

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      Billy Wardlaw
      October 9, 2012

      I had a less frustrating but similar experience with the 516. With only a very few FTF/short strokes – that I have narrowed down to this; all of my FTF/SSs were with 223! None of them were from 5.56. The rifle loves Lake City and eats them like M&Ms. Just FYI. I am guessing there is a pressure difference and/or bullet weight difference that the Sig is tuned for. Anyone knowledgeable about the difference in those two rounds may be able to shed some light on the issue.

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        aweds
        October 9, 2012

        The round my 716 seems to like is the AE 168gr OTM, 7.62×51. I’m hoping it’s just a break in issue and that a diet of bullets it likes will help, now that I’ve figured out what will feed. However, this is a big mark against SIG to me. No new weapon should be THAT bad when you first get it. I know some weapons can be picky, but I tend to get rid of those if I end up with one. I have a small place and I don’t buy a lot of ammo. I buy what is available when I’m heading to the range. When you don’t know what will be available locally, I prefer guns that eat anything.

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      Bruce
      January 23, 2013

      Are you sure that you have the gas tube set on the right position? If you have it on the wrong setting it can cause the problems you are having.

      • avatar
        EOTWAWKI
        October 21, 2013

        This was my first thought. Since its got an adjustable gas block with four settings I would bet its not set correctly or could at least be used to remedy the issues. If its running standard gas setting (should be #2? if 1=off, 2=normal, 3=suppressed & 4=Undergassed) & still short stroking ammo like Lake City 7.62×51 M80 it’s likely the gas port in the barrel is under sized. If running lower powder ammo like standard .308 I would bet the suppressed gas setting should work, unless its got an issue with an undersized gas port.

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        Fred
        October 24, 2013

        3 should be normal I think. 1=off, 2=suppresses, 3=normal, 4=overgassed.

      • avatar
        din
        January 8, 2014

        308 is generally a hotter round than military 7.62×51.

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      EZ26
      November 15, 2013

      Holy cow, send this rifle to SIG ASAP. They will tune it for you at no charge. If a Sig weapon is not behaving well right out of the box they will take care of you no questions asked.

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      C Los
      December 22, 2013

      It’s been over a year now, are you still using the same AE 168gr OTM, how’s it going?

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    Accur81
    October 9, 2012

    Looks like the best piston .308 for the money to me. I really enjoyed POF Armory, but shockingly don’t have 3K plus for one. I really want big a AR, though. (well, other than my .50). The .308 caliber is a winner, and a 16″-18″ or so barrel offers some of the best versatility in a modern sporting rifle that I can think of.

    If I could only own one rifle, a Sig 716 or POF version would be at the top of my list.

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    Jericho941
    October 9, 2012

    As far as I’m concerned, if you want to get a .308 rifle with a piston, you might as well dispense with ARs altogether and pick up a SCAR-H or something similar.

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      ShadowDuMort
      October 14, 2012

      My issue with the SCAR is the extra grand and $50+/- proprietary mags in addition to the occasionally awkward charging handle especially with some optics. Just my 2 cents.

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    nonnamous
    October 9, 2012

    I want a semi auto .308. Can we get reviews of FAL/CETME/G3 etc to go along with the M1A and AR-10 types?

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      rosignol
      October 10, 2012

      Seconded.

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      Kory
      October 10, 2012

      Ever read Boston’s Gun Bible? He sums it up as M1A and FN FAL being the best over the rest of the MBRs. He rates the AR-10 at the bottom of that list. I personally like the AR-10s over the M1As, I’ve shot both, but the FN FAL definitely deserves a look because it is a well-made rifle. Basically pick them up at the store and see which works best for you. I don’t like how the M1A magazines work and how the bolt needs to be open in order to load a full magazine. Plus you need to rock it into place rather than slam it in.

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        ShadowDuMort
        October 14, 2012

        Same rocking into place with the FAL, lock the shelf and rock it back.

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    rsh2k1
    October 9, 2012

    I’ve shot this monster at a range, and… it’s heavy. The review mentions it a couple of times, but fully loaded with 20 rounds of .308… the sucker is HEAVY. I would need to work out more to think about using this weapon as anything other than a range queen. 9.5lbs empty doesn’t surprise me in the least.

    Which makes me curious about the other .308 main battle rifle type of offerings. Anyone handled any of the other contenders (AR-10, SCAR-17, etc.) and have thoughts on the weight of the weapon?

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      Dyspeptic Gunsmith
      October 9, 2012

      .308 semi-auto rifles are heavy. That’s the nature of the beast. The M1A (or M-14) is just a tad under 9 pounds, empty. The FN-FAL is about the same or more. HK G-3 or G-91 is about the same.

      Once you start trying to make a .308 rifle down under seven pounds, you’ll discover something: the recoil starts becoming objectionable to many people.

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        JasonC
        February 26, 2013

        “Once you start trying to make a .308 rifle down under seven pounds, you’ll discover something: the recoil starts becoming objectionable”

        In AR pattern rifles perhaps. I have no issues with a bolt 308 that light, the Tikka T3. It weights only 6.25 pounds empty. I’ve modified it to take 10 round mags, but even loaded and with a scope and bipod, it stays around 8 pounds. I do put a rubber recoil pad over the end, but that is the only concession to the recoil.

        And it drives tacks…

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    smwlce
    October 9, 2012

    I dont care for gas piston AR15s or AR10s, and after dealing with the SIG 516 and 716, i was pretty underwhelmed.

    Its not that I experienced the reliability issues, its just that the 5.56 and 7.62 offerings from Primary Weapons Systems were far better in my opinion.

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    Greg in Allston
    October 9, 2012

    Thanks for the write up, Melvin. Well worth a good, long look. It sounds like a minor trigger job would make this rifle pretty darned close to perfect.

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    MannyF
    October 10, 2012

    Direct Impingement guns are less reliable than gas-piston? Ooreallly? I’ll just leave this here:

    http://www.slip2000.com/blog/s-w-a-t-magazine-filthy-14/

    Excerpt:
    FILTHY 14
    As of this writing, EAG students have 31,165 rounds downrange through Filthy 14. During this evaluation period, it was cleaned once (as in one time), at 26,245 rounds. The end result is that Rack #14 was—and remains—filthy.

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    Mark N.
    October 10, 2012

    Seems like a lot of money for a semi-accurate semi-automatic rifle. For the same price you could buy a sub-moa bolt gun and an incredible optic to go with it that will have no reliability problems and last several lifetimes. For home defense, there are a lot of semis at a fraction of the price that will get the job done at any lawful range. To me, these are just expensive toys. It’s like the guy at the LGS said: “You’ll take a Garand hunting–once.” This gun is no different.

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    RIGHT!
    October 10, 2012

    Want the down low on “Patrol Rifles” from a historical perspective?
    The man that walked the talk?
    I thought not.
    “Shots Fired In Anger”
    Read it. Learn it. Love it.
    That auto-bio steered me away from Conventional Forces and kept me alive, TYVM!

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    hazmat
    October 11, 2012

    I picked up a 716 just last month. I have 150 rds through it. Accuracy is good, not Remington 700 good, but good. I just couldn’t see dropping over $2500 for a POF or LaRue Tactical piston .308. This a much better, less expensive option. Did I mention this is my first AR pattern rifle?

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      Chad
      October 19, 2012

      Dang – today I went to my local gun store to pick up a RRA LAR-8 (.308). Unfortunately, they sold the last one two days ago. Long story short, I ended up buying the Sig 716. Damn it. You guys have me thinking that I picked up a piece of crap. Sure hope not. I just want to destroy some cans and maybe a pumpkin or two, but certainly don’t want it to be jamming every other shot. Rggggh…. Will find out this weekend. Got a bunch of AE rounds – fingers crossed :)

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        Lar
        October 25, 2012

        Don’t let them scare you. I have a 716 that eats whatever I feed it. It was the only good and affordable 308 AR and even at a $2k price tag that was hefty to me. I own many Sigs and know the qc/qa they’ve had the last few years. I bought a Sig 556 that has been flawless then the 716 and it has been great, it is a well built machine. I agree it is not as accurate as a bolt gun or some others, but its battle rifle accurate enough. I know its heavy, but all 308 rifles are. I have mine set up with a Vortex Viper scope and a Harris bipod. Been great! Have fun with it!

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        Xman315
        March 10, 2013

        Which Vortex Viper scope do you use??

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        hazmat
        October 25, 2012

        My 716 has run flawlessly. Granted, I haven’t run the variety of ammo through it like others have, but it has run my hand loads without incident.
        I too heard the reports of less than stellar reliability. But I believe in letting the gun stand on its own merit rather than give in to anecdotal reports.

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        hazmat
        October 25, 2012

        My 716 has run flawlessly. Granted, I haven’t run the variety of ammo through it like others have, but it has run my hand loads without incident. I too heard the reports of less than stellar reliability. But I believe in letting the gun stand on its own merit rather than give in to anecdotal reports.

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    MacWa77ace
    October 15, 2012

    You didn’t have your customary *Customize This* star rating. Is there a longer barrel option, maybe 20″ and what’s price with that? What about shorter barrel options?

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    TJ15
    November 4, 2012

    I cannot say enough good things about my Sig 516, reliable, accurate and very well built. On it’s first outing once sighted in managed to get a few sub MOA groups @ 100 yards using iron sights/bench rested. Was pleasantly surprised how clean the action was after 200+ rounds. Big difference compared to the issue M16 during my military career. Definately going to buy it’s big brother the 716 especially after checking one out at Cabela’s.

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    mustangcav
    November 4, 2012

    Bought the SIG716 recently and have put a couple hundred rounds through it so far (Magtech 308Win 150gr and Winchester 308 147gr mostly) and it was flawless. It is certainly a beast, but then I’m not humping rifles in the desert anymore so the weight is not an issue and as an earlier writer mentioned it keeps the big bullets under control. The 716 is well built, accurate enough to hit at range every time and fires my favorite long gun bullet. The pushrod system keeps it pretty clean too.

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    MOG
    November 9, 2012

    If it ain’t at least a .308/7.62, it ain’t soup. Having said that, I don’t want to get shot with a .223/5.56 either. I like the push rod better either way. As to humping the weight, we humped M1s, M14s, ammo, mortars and base plates, two canteens of water, and a couple of boxes of C-rations, thru places Angels feared to tread. Range Rangers, we were not.

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      TJ15
      December 1, 2012

      That may be MOG but shooting a 223/5.56 on a regular basis is way more affordable than 308/7.62. Still planning to buy the 716 in OD green just the same but expect I’ll be shooting it’s little brother a whole lot more.

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    jimmyjames
    December 5, 2012

    Just saw the 716 on a recent episode of G&A TV. Now I think I want one especially since I just sold my DSA FAL. 4″-6″ groups at 100yds with Fed 168GMM. Not accurate enough for me. Would digest anything however with that 12(?) position gas valve. Have the Sig m400E and it was problematic with failures to eject. Super accurate with 77g bullets. I argued with Sig over lube and ammo. Shot some more, had some more failures to eject. Called Sig back and demanded they take the gun back and fix it or give me my money back. They paid shipping both ways and fixed it. I would not put up with the 716 not running for a minute. Call them up and raise hell. Don’t let them feed you that line about not cooperating with them in trying to trouble shoot the gun and that you the customer will have to pay freight to send it back. BS! You didn’t buy a project. You bought a gun that is supposed to shoot like a sewing maching right out of the box like a S&W M&P15 Sport. Maybe I will wait for Smith to come out with a 7.62mm AR…

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    Jay
    December 13, 2012

    You can’t compare the 716 to a POF/Hogan. For $2,600 I have a Hogan Sniper Elite H-308 that will shoot 1MOA groups with ease. The Sig isn’t even close to that level. NP3 coated billet receivers, Rock Creek fluted bull barrel with a muzzle brake that is awesome. Custom trigger, and out of the box it will eat the dirtiest ammo you can scrounge up all day long. Not to mention the Sig looks like your basic AR, where a POF, Hogan, LWRC REPR, Christiansen Arms CA-10, and several others have a look of there own. Shoot one of those and you will forget about a 716.

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    Dan
    December 14, 2012

    I picked up one of these 716 Carbines last week and I Love it. The first thing I did, and always do with a new Carbine is give it a good cleaning before I shoot it. I installed a Geissele SSA-E trigger before I shot it as well. This is the very best Match trigger out there and it helps with accuracy Big Time.

    The Sig 716 shoots flawlessly and is very accurate too. Mine shoots 1/2″ groups at 100 yards with or without installing my Suppressor onto it. But with my AAC 762-SDN-6 Suppressor installed, and with the gas system turned off, it shoots like a precision Bolt Action Rifle. I am getting 1/4″ groups at 100 yards right now with Hornady TAP 168 grain AMAX this way. And I have actually put 3 rounds in the same hole one time. I am using a cheap 3x9x40 Nikon .223 scope for now as I am saving up for a nice Leupold.

    Bottom line is this is an Awesome Carbine that works flawlessly and is super accurate. I know that putting in the better Geissele match trigger really helped out with accuracy, and the fact that I am a precision marksman helps too.

    For under $2000 dollars this is the one to get. And stay away from POF because they are nothing more than a POS.

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    Terry
    December 16, 2012

    The Haters are killing me!!!! I own 5 Sig pistols, 2 Full German made, 3 US Made.. I have an easy 3000 to 5000 rounds thru each if not more, and have not had a problem with any of them. I prefer the US made, due to them having the SRT trigger.. What a nice trigger it is. I am a Law Enforcement Officer and when I came on the department Sig was the only approved weapon we could carry for pistol. Now we have the choice of Sig or Glock. So I purchased a G19 and G26 thinking this would be a better combo, to replace my P226 and P229 I carry. Well a few trips to the range and I just don’t like them as well. I’m sticking with the Sigs. Now to the 716.. I am a certified police sniper.. My department uses Larue OBRs with Nightforce glass for our sniper rifles. When I took my sniper school this is what I used. Larue makes a very very nice rifle.. 1/2 MOA on mine and less then 1/4 MOA off of cold bore.. but the price is crazy… So I picked up a 716 for my own personal rifle.. I have put over 500 rounds of Federal GMM through it with no problems.. The trigger sucks… I carry a RockRiver 5.56 for warrants and the trigger is very close to the Geissele on my OBR, so I guess I got spoiled… So I will be replacing my 716 trigger with a Geissele soon. That being said, I have been able to keep a 3″ group at 100 yards with the 716 with iron sights.. I plan on putting glass on it with the new trigger soon, just hard on a cops salary with a family to support .. But come on how many of the people out there are shooting more then 100 yards??? Even urban snipers hardly get more that that, closer to 50-60 yards. This is being sold as a combat rifle… not a precision rifle. With a Geissele trigger I think you can move it to the precision class from what I have seen.. The 716 is the best bang for the buck.. Literally … If you are a competition shooter or a military scout sniper taken 500 yard and out shots for money or for your or someones life then stick with a bolt gun or spend the money “or the governments money” on a Larue, I believe the Larue rifle is as good as any bolt rifle, with added pluses, mag capacity and faster reacquisition of the target.. If you are looking for a combat rifle/precision rifle that is affordable and reliable then get a Sig 716, while you can before the politics make it unlawful for a law abiding citizen to own one. Also another thing, my 716 feels like it hits my shoulder twice as hard as my OBR, so that is another down fall on the 716. My OBR feels like my 5.56, don’t even notice it.. You will feel the 716 after a mag. “My OBR has the CTR with a Larue RISR and POD” And the 716 has the ACS.. I do like the CTR setup better “feels like a better cheek weld.. FYI both the Larue and the 716 have 16″ barrels.. Also I have only shot Federal GMM out of both, this is our duty round and I get it for 19.00 a box from a law enforcement supplier so no need to shoot anything else. We are however looking at moving to the new Federal Tactical Bonded Tip ammo, our Federal rep is pushing it very hard, and it looks very promising for glass and barriers, but I have not put any thru my rifles yet, cause it is twice the price. I know I rambled on a bit.. but the Haters got me worked up.. The Sig 716 is a great rifle and better then 99% of the shooters out there need..

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    Capt. Mark
    December 17, 2012

    I will pick up my new 716 patrol on 12/24/12.what a great Christmas gift. Bet it works like my 516 patrol. Flawlessly!

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    new
    December 17, 2012

    Thanks for the positive comments, I just picked up a 716 have not shot it yet but will this weekend.

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      Capt. Mark
      December 18, 2012

      Congrats.Let me know how it goes.Mine will go Bang after the first of the year Holidays.

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    M Mahy
    December 23, 2012

    I bought my 716 mid summer after owning a DPMS AP4. The AP4 was extremely accurate and I was a little disappointed after shooting the first rounds out of the Sig. The 716 started coming around, it now averages one inch with 43.5 grs of Varget, once fired Federal brass, 210M primer, and a 168gr Nosler BT. It shoots inch and a half with Radway Green. Needless to say I’m happy. I have approximately 500 rounds fired with only three FTF which were my 150 gr Hornady FMJ handloads. A Geissele two stage trigger, Leopold 1-4 VXR Patrol scope, and American Defense mount round out my rifle. It makes a great deer rifle.

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    Scott
    January 1, 2013

    First time out with new 716 and worked well for a few round but then spent more time manually removing rounds than firing weapon. Not impressed. After about a half hour just put gun back in case and got out Bushmaster AR and ran 400 rounds with no problem. For twice the price I think I should be able to fire it more than 25 times without a problem! Will clean gun and try agin.

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    Mustangcav
    January 3, 2013

    Adding to my 4 Nov comment…have now put over 1000 rounds thru my 716 so far and it is perfect. I have since added an EoTech red dot and the groups are nice and tight at 200yds. Have used a variety of ammo including the occasional soviet steel case with flawless feeding results. I like the weight…it handles that kicking .308 with ease. If I wanted a lighter weapon, I would have picked up the .223…The push rod design is just awesome. A breeze to clean. After 30 years of scrubbing the crud out of ARs with the DI system, it’s a dream…so I’m ok with the extra pieces…they seem to work well. I like the adjustment options on the piston, the miles of 1913 rails, the quality design and build and the heft. It’s like my M1 Garand (yep, that’s heavy too- about the same weight actually)…you know you have a real rifle, and that rifle fires a real serious bullet and like the American classic .45 ACP round…one good shot will pretty handle the situation.

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    SSG Baumgartner
    January 16, 2013

    the more you practice shooting the smaller your shot groups will be. The fundamentals of marksmanship will effect your shot group more than the maker of your trigger, the number of twists in your barrel and the weight of your rifle put together

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    Joe
    February 14, 2013

    Tried two groups of not so great reloads thru a new s716 and had numerous ejection problems and a couple of FTF (dimpled primer, no fire). Same ammo through HK G3 did much better, though still > 0 extraction problems, so most of my issues were ammo related, but the HK still ate the ammo significantly better.
    Also had the bolt not locking to the rear too well problem.
    I’m also hopeful that a breakin period will see these issues go away.

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    Denny
    March 20, 2013

    I have a 716 Patrol and it does have some issues which Sig is going to resolve. I’m not going to bash Sig too much about the issue, but I will say the quality control has slipped a bit. The customer service there is worth the price of the gun. Very fast and fair.

    What I want to say about the article above is the writer obviously did not examine the 716 he had. It does not have a Hammer forged barrel and anyone who has ever owned one would know. I could tell from the pictures it was not hammer forged.

    I spoke to Sig this week and got an offiical reply to the question. The 716 has a button rifled barrel!!! I wish gun writers would get it right because that was part of the reason I looked at the 716.

    In a google search I found severl “experts” writing that the 716 has a CHF barrel…. when it does not!

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    TJ15
    March 21, 2013

    Interesting everything I have read suggests a hammer forged barrel. Question what is it you specifically look for to indicate the barrel is hammer forged other than the master of the obvious stamp indicating such?

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    TJ15
    March 21, 2013

    Did finally pick up a Sig 716 a few weeks back. Cleaned the hell out of it trying to get that sticky preserving lube Sig puts on there rifles NIB. Fired three differents types of ammo with mixed results. The 150 grain American Eagle “cheap stuff” gave me multiple short stroking issues. Hornady Super Performance 165 grain SST ran a full clip flawlessly with positive bolt lock on the last round. Silver State Armory 168 grain HPBT had occasional short stroking but not nearly as pronounced as the cheap American Eagle. The weapon appears well built and shot accurately with some sub moa groups at 100 yards, however it was very windy that day so not exactly optimal testing conditions. After experiencing some short stroking with two types of ammo I looked at the muzzle velocity specs for each. Hornady’s SST runs considerble faster so my assumption is hotter load & superior muzzle performance out of the ballistic tip translated into flawless function. Gas setting was verified on normal setting, cleaned again and will continue to test & break in rifle.

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    Denny
    March 21, 2013

    Tj15, hammer forged barrels usually have a spiral pattern on the outside of the barrel. A barrel blank is placed over a mandrel and forging hammers compress the metal leaving the rifling pattern basically embossed. I suspect very early T&E 716 had hammer forged barrels. These have much slimmer barrels that looked almost stepped down after the gas block. IMO hammer forged is superior. I am sure sig made the change to reduce cost. One would think on a rifle costing 2-3k they wouldn’t cut such cost.
    I just sent mine back to Sign for inspection. It would not group and every case had screaches on the neck and strange dents on the shoulders. I ran a fiber optic camera into the chamber and found what appears to be corrosion . I also noticed some type of corrosion on the sear. My gun was NIB and manufactured Dec. 2012.
    I also experienced one split case at the neck on round #20. Using new Federal gold metal match 168gr BTHP.
    I did not experience any malfunctions.
    I do commend Sign on their customer service… it is unequalled. Even though my rifle had some issues, Sig sent me prepaid fedex the next day, the representative personally called me twice. When is the last time you got service like that?
    I am not going to make an opinion on the gun until I get the gun back and shoot it. Yes it was a bit inconvenient, but I want to give Sign a chancy to correct the problem.

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    Denny
    March 21, 2013

    Sorry about the typos and spelling. My spell checker is a Democrat, it rarely works and when it does, it’s wrong.

  36. avatar
    TJ15
    March 22, 2013

    Thanks for the reply Denny & info. My 716 appears to have great accuracy potential from initial impressions it’s able to shoot better than my old eyes can. From what I have read so far regarding any reliability issues at least initially is due to getting all the Sig preserving lube out, a good lube, quality ammo and break in time. Glad the tolerances are tight but at the same time if it’s to tight definately can cause some new owner frustration initially. What I have noticed is even after a good cleaning/lube once you go out and fire the weapon more of the Sig preserving lube will still leach out, dunno what stuff they use but its a pain in the ass to get it all out as I put allot of time and care into the first cleaning.

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    Larry
    March 29, 2013

    I love the 716. I have been reading reviews on the rifle malfunctioning. As soon as I got it, I didn’t clean it, I just took it out and shot it without a single malfunction. I put 20 rapid rounds through, then I put 20 rounds with 5 sec pauses between rounds and the rifle didn’t miss a beat

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      TJ15
      March 29, 2013

      Great to hear Larry what ammo did you use? Reason I ask is as I said this gun loves hornady superperformance sst in 165 grain, gobbles them up like m&m’s as someone else said. @ this point I don’t think my issue was firearm related but rather ammo related. Will get out shooting again soon with some other ammo types and worst case send it to Sig if it continues. Confident they will stand by their product, they are a reputable company that stands behind their quality products.

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    Denny
    May 1, 2013

    Well, I received my 716 back from SIG.
    They replaced and “adjusted” the trigger, remember I had some corrosion. They also polished the chamber and feed ramps in an effort to get rid of the scratches on the neck, two very uniform horizontal scratches on the neck. They obviously didn’t see the pictures or read the letter I sent that said “Neck”.

    The first thing I noticed was the trigger! Perfect , crips and clean breaking at about 6 lbs. love it. The next thing was the marks on the fired casing were STILL THERE. Boo on SIG.

    I did find my accuracy problem though. It was old gold medal match ammo, my 716 does not like old ammo! nor does it like white box crap. It produces flyers that open groups up to about 3″

    I fed it new gold medal match and Amer. Eagle 168gr OTM. It loves both. Most groups hover about 1/2 inch and even my last 5 shout group fired in about 25 seconds was about 3/4″ at 100 Yds.

    I have never had a feed or extraction problem, and I will just monitor the markings on the case, which seem to be going away as I put more rounds through it.
    I checked the chamber and neck area with a fiber optic scope and the neck area still looks horrible. But when it shoots .5 MOA , I’d hate to send it back to have them mess with it.

    I wasn’t able to post pics.

    • avatar
      TJ15
      May 7, 2013

      That is some good accuracy I wouldn’t mess with it either. I’ve managed to get under an inch with mine as well & if I scope it plus good ammo should only get better. Plan to get out soon as I have a wide variety of 308/7.62 ammo to run/test thru it. Next improvement will be upgrade my trigger to a Wilson Combat TTU in the near future. As far as marks on the casing I have seen that with other AR type weapons to include military issue m4/m16′s.

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    frank
    May 22, 2013

    my sig saur 716 has a problem keeping the mag seated in the mag well,it is brand new.drops down just enough so it will not fire. it’s mag pull mag .wondering what could remedy this.love the rifle

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    casey vail
    May 31, 2013

    just buyed a 716 patrol 16″ on 5/15/2013 just 10 days after it was made,no problems and very accurate.The barrel does not step down to a smaller size after the gas block,but stays thick and the same all the way out.I think sig said they where going to probably have this way now.

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    Chuck
    July 25, 2013

    I just bought a 716, and have put about 120 rounds through it of various ammo (i.e. Federal, Remington, Winchester). Had a few failure to feed issues, (4 total) but I chalk that up to being brand new/ break-in period, and it seems to eat anything. Was wondering if anyone has had this gun for a while and found out what ammo it really likes or really doesn’t like. I have heard that Wolf is awful and Prvi Partizan is actually pretty decent. Anyone have any insight to offer?

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      TJ15
      August 15, 2013

      Chuck so far mine seems to absolutely love Hornady Super Performance SST ammo 165 grain. Going to try the 150 grain soon hopefully similar results.

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    Steve
    September 20, 2013

    What fixture or receiver block is used to hold the barrel or receiver in place on this gun to change the flash hider?

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    Adam G
    October 15, 2013

    I have had my Sig 716 for almost a year now and have about 500 rounds through it. It has been great with only one Failure to Feed which was in the first 10 rounds I shot out of it and has been good ever since.

    I have used mostly
    Prvi Partizan 145gr 90% of the 500 rounds
    Prvi Partizan 168gr match
    Federal Gold Metal Match 168gr

    Takes apart easy and cleans easy I love it

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    patrick
    January 25, 2014

    I just purchased one of these and spent the first day at the range. Used cbc ball 7.62×51 to break it in and then moved to other 7.62×51 and .308 factory loads to test it out. I used a Zeiss Conquest scope and nikon M-223 mount. I found that SSA 168, and 175 gr ammo both yielded consistent 1.5″-1.75″ groups. The federal gold metal match 168 Sierra match kings a solid 1.5″ as well. Finally Hornady superformance 165 gmx did a 2″ group. What I truly love is that the rifle ran every shot perfectly and is VERY clean after all these rounds. I’m shocked how well it shoots and it’s and absolute pleasure maybe aside from it being a tank.

    Also wanted to add that it likes to be fouled. Took about 20 rounds after cleaning for it to settle down. And monarch 150 gr SP (read cheap) will still put down 2.5″ groups which is fine hunting (around here) accuracy out to 200 yds. All my groups are 100 yds.

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      Patrick
      March 25, 2014

      *UPDATE
      Shot my 716 with a Huntertown arms Kestrel .308 suppressor and am totally blown away that the groups SHRANK! It will now shoot 1″ solid 5 shot groups at 100 yds with the same exact box of CBC ball 7.62×51!! I am unbelievably impressed with it now!

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    Christos
    February 8, 2014

    Sig Sauer SIG716 3-GUN (product code: R716-H18B-3GH)

    I just bought this riffle and am extremely happy.

    This is a limited run SIG716 rifle in a 3 gun configuration. Not a catalog item.
    It is the same basic configuration as the 716 Precision, but features a heavy contour 18” threaded barrel, Geissele Two Stage match trigger, Large latch charging handle (making it easier to use with gloves), and alloy quad rail forend. It also features a newly designed Sig Sauer Ti-7 M4 style collapsible stock and “SIG” pistol grip.

    Very accurate and dependable
    I fired about 100 rounds and all shot flawless at 200yards with 2 – 2 1/2″ groups

    • avatar
      steve
      February 9, 2014

      How heavy is the 3 gun version? Since it is not cataloged, I am curios on the weight.

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