Gun Review: HK USP Tactical .45

75 responses

  1. avatar
    Anon in CT
    September 17, 2012

    It’s been said (and I agree) that Glocks are the Toyota Camrys of the pistol world.

    So is this a BMW 3 Series?

    • avatar
      jwm
      September 17, 2012

      Which would you rather go to the police impound after a traffice incident, your toyota or your bmw 3?

      • avatar
        Brooklyn in the house
        September 17, 2012

        What would you rather be in running from bad guys a BMW or a Toyota?

    • avatar
      TTACer
      September 17, 2012

      No reason for this, but I think of the German/Austrians like this:
      HK =Merc
      Sig=BMW
      Walther=Audi
      Glock=VW if VW were more reliable than mid 90s Toyotas

      • avatar
        RKBA
        September 17, 2012

        TTACer, you apparently don’t know much about German Cars :)

        And before you start in; Yes, I do.

      • avatar
        TTACer
        September 17, 2012

        Well don’t leave me hanging.

      • avatar
        Anon in CT
        September 17, 2012

        Of course, Toyotas are more reliable than pretty much any German car made, but especially VWs and Audis. Last I looked Beemers were actually more reliable than Mercs.

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        Adam
        December 4, 2012

        Sorry anon but you really don’t know anything about German cars. Try clicking on this link to have a look at the list of “voluntary” safety recalls Toyota made http://pressroom.toyota.com/safety-recall/. The safety recall concerning the accelerator pedal sticking was particularly worrying. Audi makes arguably the best cars in the world at the moment (cars that only millionaires can afford don’t count!). And Mercedes aren’t poorly engineered cars – they’re just notorious for very bad customer service support when problems crop up.

    • avatar
      FourString
      September 18, 2012

      BMW 3 Series handling + the reliability of an Infiniti/Lexus
      Or maybe just an Infiniti G37
      Good fun

    • avatar
      Nate
      January 1, 2014

      Id say the Glock is just about any Toyota and this H&K USP is more like Lexus. Yes Toyota had a safety recall. but at least you know the damn thing will get you to point a to point b and will last forever. And I say Lexus because all it really is, is just a nice ass Toyota with a different badge and a lot bigger price tag.

    • avatar
      Hunter
      February 23, 2014

      It’s more like a rolls Royce or Aston Marton

  2. avatar
    nuclearpenguin
    September 17, 2012

    Had that out of battery happen to me with my SIG C3. Had one box of hornady that would do it and another that did not. I cleaned it (I had shot a couple boxes of dirty stuff through it that day) and it worked fine with any of my ammo. The bore is just tight enough and the hornady just big enough that when dirty, it would not chamber.

    Just a thought.

  3. avatar
    Curzen
    September 17, 2012

    A review of the H&K 45c might have been more relevant.

    • avatar
      Jim Barrett
      September 17, 2012

      Perhaps, but I can only review what I have in my hands.

      • avatar
        fuad rizkala
        November 25, 2012

        Dear Jim Barett,
        Thank you for your article on HK USP Tactical. It’s excellent info, and very well written. Thank you again.

  4. avatar
    NR
    September 17, 2012

    With respect and IMHO, in order to be up to TTAG quality, you need to be crystal clear about what information you’re finding out for yourself (by testing, measuring, etc) and what information your digging up on the web or off the manufacturers spec sheet. The reason we (I think I speak for a lot of people, but maybe I’m wrong) love TTAG is because we *don’t* trust information that can be dug up on the web.

    Here’s an example: “The USP Tactical gives the shooter most of the performance of the MK23 in a smaller package.”

    Wait, wait. I thought you said you couldn’t afford the MK23. Have you shot one, or are you repeating what you’ve been told? If the latter, who told you? Tell us more, so we judge the value of that information. If HK’s marketing dept. told you that, obviously we should take it with a grain of salt.

    If you don’t tell us where you’re getting that information, then we’ll take *YOU* with a grain of salt, which is not what you want.

    • avatar
      Stephen
      September 17, 2012

      +1

    • avatar
      Robert Farago
      September 17, 2012

      Point taken. Text amended.

  5. avatar
    Stephen
    September 17, 2012

    “During the test firing, everything was going smoothly until I tried shooting some of my Hornady .45 Auto +P 230 grain XTP. I loaded it up and fired the first round. No problem. When I pulled the trigger the second time…nothing. Looking closely at the gun, I realized that after ejecting the the prior round, the slide hadn’t gone completely into battery. It was hanging back about ¼ of an inch or so.

    I did a tap-rack, ejecting a perfectly good round and fired again. Gun went bang, spent brass ejected, but again, nothing on the next trigger pull. Same problem as before. This time, I simply whacked the back of the gun and the slide slid back into battery.”

    Same with mine years ago. Got rid of it quick. Way Overpriced IMHO

  6. avatar
    stateisevil
    September 17, 2012

    Certainly this is an excellent gun, but why pay that much unless you’re loaded? The $ is better spent on quality rifles. Get a glock or an XD.

    • avatar
      Jim Barrett
      September 17, 2012

      Because I don’t like Glock Safe Action or whatever the hell Springfield call the same mechanism in the XD. I like DA/SA pistols. I’ve shot both a Glock and this USP. For me, the USP shoots way better. Your mileage may vary. Go try a USP, then come back and tell me if you still think the same way.

      • avatar
        Kevin
        January 3, 2013

        I am a little late to the party, but I agree Jim. There is a reason the Glock is half the price of the HK. I helped a friend who was in financial trouble and was pawning all his stuff. He bought his USP Tactical new, and I got it a few years old. I got a good deal, but still paid more than a new Glock. It did not take long to realize this was the finest firing pistol I have ever used. The felt recoil seems no more than my heavier 9mm Ruger, the accuracy is amazing, and it has been extremely reliable. I use it as my personal carry weapon and intentionally do not clean the lint out before going to the range. It works every time. Of course, I have never used +p ammo, but hey.

        Great article, thanks.

    • avatar
      Adam
      November 25, 2013

      “Certainly this is an excellent gun, but why pay that much unless you’re loaded?”

      1. Because you cannot carry a Glock “cocked and locked”.
      2. Because a Glock does not have an external hammer.
      3. Because a Glock does not have a decocking lever.
      4. Because a Glock does not have the recoil reduction system.
      5. Because a Glock does not have a traditional safety.
      6. Because a Glock is not as accurate.
      7. Because the Glock has an inferior magazine release.
      8. Because if the lives that I love ever depend on my weapon, I want the best.

  7. avatar
    ST
    September 17, 2012

    Excellent article.

    That established, I have to inquire exactly what the point of this gun is.

    “But here’s the thing: the USP Tactical simply plays in a different league than Glocks or other similarly priced guns. No one’s debating the fact that Glocks are good guns, but they are just not designed to the same tolerances or for the same purpose as something like the USP Tactical.”

    This section begs the question:just what league DOES the USP tactical play in? For civilian carry, the trip from the office cubicle to the car is hardly a hostile environment.
    Bad guys don’t mug you from 25 yards away, and a carjacking is hard to pull off from 30 feet away.As such pinpoint accuracy at those distances serves no point beyond range time bragging rights for civil defense purposes.

    However,the cost and nature of the weapon works against CCW , as in the event a weapon is fired it will certainly be confiscated by police for evidence purposes. Depending on the political leanings of said department that confiscation may be a permanent event, 4th amendment be damned.

    Id rather surrender a Glock or a $450 Caracal 9F to the police department scrap heap than a $1500 HK pistol.

    • avatar
      Dennis
      July 16, 2013

      Well i own one, I carry it and our police are very comfortable about such things.. Its generaly the State’s Attorney that is the hanger on. You just need to show that you need the pistol, if you have a righteous shoot you are good and your shoot makes your case as to why you need the thing. hqave them shhot the thing and take samples of the case and bullets for evidence, they know where the gun will be. You can even offer them a sample of your ammo.

      Long shots are not the rule by accurate shots may mean the difference of hitting your intended target and an off shot that endangers another. Two in a would be at close intervals also indicates that you are proficient and not a danger the to General Public. Weapons can only be “confiscated” if they are contraband, other wise they are held for evidence.

      Procedural point here but one you need to bone up on, and I mean all of you. Don’t let them disarm you for more than is necessary. The term is “reasonable”. Besides the court has the last say. I have had a prosecuitor spitting he was so mad and the judge went merrily along with me. I think he enjoyed it. Don’t be a butt head and know what you are saying…. by the way I tried my own case, attorneys just show up for the money, mostly. While I am not an attorney I do have a legal degree and was fortunate to have clerked for a federal judge. Stand your ground but be respectful and know what you are saying before you open your mouth.

      Due Process my man. Of course I live in the Last Fronteer and we don’t even need a CCW to carry or even open.

      God Defends the Right

  8. avatar
    Gyufygy
    September 17, 2012

    I’ve read the “You suck and we hate you” rant and the rebuttals and whatnot. I’m relatively new to firearms, so I’m generally not sure what to think about HK. However, the proprietary rail system and barrel threading just seen like a complete dick move to their customers. I can think of no reason for a proprietary rail system other than screwing customers on overpriced accessories. Hell, the Weaver vs. Picatinny thing bothers me enough as it is. The barrel threading is just needlessly irritating. Unless there’s something I’m missing, it really gives HK a black mark in my book. Seems like a great gun, but the threading and especially the rails really put a damper on any interest in HKs I might have, idle or otherwise.

    • avatar
      Gyufygy
      September 17, 2012

      It just occurred to me that I wrote that comment on an iPhone. Blech, icky case of irony poisoning.

      • avatar
        matt
        September 17, 2012

        At least with the iPhone/iPod’s connecter, it is proprietary for a reason, it has USB, Firewire, Audio, S-video, and a TTL serial port. The HK rail or barrel threading isnt there for any reason other than because HK hates you and thinks you suck.

      • avatar
        ThePowerofCheese
        September 17, 2012

        “The barrel threading is just needlessly irritating. Unless there’s something I’m missing, it really gives HK a black mark in my book.”

        There are 8 other HK pistols to choose from without a threaded barrel.

      • avatar
        Gyufygy
        September 17, 2012

        The barrel threading was icing on the cake of irritating. The main course of irritation was the proprietary rail on what is already an expensive piece of hardware.

    • avatar
      Brett
      September 17, 2012

      You hit the nail on the head. I bought a USP compact when I was too new to know any better. Have since traded it in for a Glock 19 and never looked back.

      Also, the triggers on USPs are terrible. Do this next time you handle one, hold the hammer down with your thumb and try to pull the trigger. And be amazed at the amount of flex in the trigger of your 1000 dollar pistol.

      • avatar
        Jim Barrett
        September 17, 2012

        Bear in mind that H&K does not use the same trigger across the entire USP line. There is a $318 difference between the basic USP and the USP Tactical in .45. Not all of that price difference is due to the threaded barrel.

      • avatar
        ThePowerofCheese
        September 28, 2012

        I have a USP 40 and the triggers are not terrible and its not flexing….

  9. avatar
    BStacks
    September 17, 2012

    My wife’s CW45 won’t cycle Hornady 45 Auto +P 200 grain TAP FPD either. Malfunctions exactly as you describe. I thought it was a cheap pistol thing.

    • avatar
      Carry.45
      July 24, 2013

      I have a thousand dollar sig1911 that won’t handle mag tech .45 hp +p as well. Same exact malt. Not just a cheap gun thing.

  10. avatar
    surlycmd
    September 17, 2012

    IMHO the HK USP TACTICAL is not a defensive carry pistol. This pistol is one civilian version of the SOCOM MK23 OHWS program. The HK MARK 23 is another. The key word is OFFENSIVE. Both are for those who have the money and want something non-standard to have fun on the range or want something aggressive for TEOTWAWKI.

    Maybe it is far down the practicality matrix but it is very high on the whole lot of fun matrix.

    • avatar
      Jim Barrett
      September 17, 2012

      Could not have said it better myself. There are reasons for having a gun besides defensive carry. Plus the USP Tactical makes an excellent home defense gun and with the suppressor, won’t even wake the kiddies if you have to ventilate a bad guy

      • avatar
        Rony
        October 11, 2013

        Could not have said it better Jim, I have one and love it!!!

  11. avatar
    Mr. Lion
    September 17, 2012

    It’s worth noting that you can pick up a Mk23 in the ~$1,500 range used in excellent condition without much difficulty. The $3-400 premium over the (new) USP is definitely worth it, at least it was for me.

    • avatar
      DrD
      September 17, 2012

      The Mark 23 is the ultimate SHTF handgun. When they ceased production I purchased the last four my distributor could get his hands on. I use one for range days…the others are stocked away. The USP is not a Mark 23. It’s a fine gun, no doubt…but there’s only one Offensive Handgun; Mark 23. Now let me just figure out how to conceal it.

      • avatar
        Mr. Lion
        September 17, 2012

        Yup. Same here. Tons of fun at the range, useless for every day use or concealed. The pistol was designed to be strapped to your thigh, and if the S ever HTF to the degree necessary, mine certainly will be.

      • avatar
        smwlce
        September 17, 2012

        I agree. its practically indestructible, precision accurate, extremely reliable, and capable of firing the most powerful offerings of 45 ACP +P and +P+ with no issues (and even the sledgehammer known as the 45 Super).

        99% of folks will never use their Mark 23′s for the purpose they were intended, though, for a SHTF gun, they would be awesome.

      • avatar
        surlycmd
        September 17, 2012

        I will pick up a used one down the road. Until then I use a FNP-45 Tactical, C-More Systems mini red dot, Surefire X300 with a YHM suppressor. Much fun.

  12. avatar
    Morris
    September 17, 2012

    Just an FYI the first photo is of a USP compact tactical not the USP tactical

    • avatar
      Robert Farago
      September 17, 2012

      On it. Thanks.

    • avatar
      Jim Barrett
      September 17, 2012

      wasn’t in my original post. It was an editorial addition.

  13. avatar
    grs
    September 17, 2012

    Mixing images of the USP Tactical and USP Compact Tactical is a bit confusing.
    They are two entirely different handguns. The full size has the taller, adjustable target sights, a trigger that is crisper and adjustable for overtravel, as well as just the difference in size. Both have the rubber o-ring barrel, which was not mentioned but has a measurable impact on accuracy. The Compact Tactical as pictured at the top of the review has normal USP-C sights and trigger, and differs primarily from the regular Compact in the threaded, o-ring barrel.

    The threading is a little odd – both USPs being the LH version of the mk23′s RH. Unlike in the rifle world, however, where 1/2-28 or 5/8-24 is reasonably universal, there is not that level of standardization with pistol cans.
    Sig .45s use .578 x 28 TPI, 1911s can be .685×40 or .575×40, others are 9/16×24 or 5/8×24. So, being different is not as egregious as it may sound.

    If I had my choice, I’d probably want .578×28 nowadays, as that covers most of the euro/american modern handguns, but at the time the USP-T was released, there weren’t the number of handguns with factory threaded barrels that we have now.

    I had no trouble getting a suppressor with the proper pitch (thanks Gemtech).

    The USP-T is a tough, well built handgun. I’ve gone through a number of multi-K round weekend training events without a hiccup. While not an ideal concealed carry size for most people, it does carry well outside the waistband. As mentioned in the review, Comp-Tac is a good source – the gladiator works well. I have had leather holsters made with room for the sight and thread protector with good results also. Works very nicely with a Safariland 6004, but that’s not an every day carry option for most of us. Unlike the mk23, if you can carry a glock 21 in reasonable comfort, the full size USP is no problem. The compact, on the other hand, I am so used to at this stage, I barely notice it.

  14. avatar
    AnotherMatt
    September 17, 2012

    Offensive handgun. Oh God, so many LOLs.

    • avatar
      jwm
      September 17, 2012

      Exactly. What was so offensive about it. It’s price, it’s looks or possibly it’s attitude. Is “offensive pistol” like “assualt weapon”?

      • avatar
        surlycmd
        September 17, 2012

        The Military considers a pistol a secondary weapon. Use the pistol until the rifle is ready to fire. The MK23 was designed as a offensive or primary weapon system. The system included the pistol, suppressor and laser aiming device. The system is a primary weapon used for specific tasks. Killing a person or animal as quietly as possible from a moderate distance in an enviroment that a suppressed rifle is not practical. It has no attitude. It is what it is designed to be. As Mr. Fancy mentioned below, a damn heavy beast.

      • avatar
        CarlosT
        September 17, 2012

        “The world’s first crew served pistol.”

  15. avatar
    Mr. Fancy.
    September 17, 2012

    The mark 23 is a badass pistol only in the eyes of people who have never had to pick that beast up. At 3.5 lbs, it had better be reliable. HK is perhaps the most overrated company in the industry, with universally overweight pistols, sloppy triggers, and ergonomics that make a 2×4 look comfy. Oh, but they appear on call of duty posters…

    • avatar
      BoyScout
      December 28, 2012

      “Overrated”? If HK is as bad as your obviously expert mind seems to claim it is why is it the choice weapons of U.S Navy SEALS, British SAS, S.W.A.T., GSG-9? Maybe 3.5 pounds of pistol is unnecessarily heavy for a pistol in todays world, but its possible our special forces are willing to put up with the discomfort in order to have a weapon that they know will keep them alive. Or maybe you just need to hit the gym. Don’t downgrade the entire legacy of the company and all it creates because you don’t like one pistol.

  16. avatar
    Chris Dumm
    September 17, 2012

    Calling Joe Grine! Joe has one (suppressed) and he loves it. I’ve always considered it a finely made pistol that I don’t seem to shoot very well. To each his own, I guess.

  17. avatar
    xstang
    September 17, 2012

    Whoa, wait, another USP article about how socom/devgru/whatever use the Mk.23? That’s a no, and for the same obvious reason everyone else knows-it’s too damn huge. There was a discussion somewhere about this, and basically it’s been all but completely shelved in favor of the .45 CT and the P228.

    Also, HK stopped making them in 2010. Still LOTS of NIB examples out there of course.

  18. avatar
    SCS
    September 17, 2012

    Love my MK23, just had it out to the range on Sunday. The weight is not noticeable to me and it is accurate and a sh!t load of fun to shoot.

  19. avatar
    FourString
    September 18, 2012

    The USP series is the shit. Put a match trigger in a USP 9 and hoah, lots of giddy to be had.

  20. avatar
    sagebrushracer
    September 18, 2012

    I think I am the first to notice, but the HK USP broke down almost EXACTLY like a ruger P series. recoil spring/guide rod attaches to frame via slide catch pin, engages the barrel with the same ramp geometry, no wonder its such a good design… I bet they have to pay some royalties on that, its so close that it would land them in court if they did not.

  21. avatar
    Bad Matt
    September 18, 2012

    Pretty impressive shooting. I don’t think it was the gun. You should write an article on your technique.

    • avatar
      Joe Grine
      September 18, 2012

      Good point. I have a HK USP-T and I can’t shoot it worth a crap. I end up anticipating the recoil and shooting low and to the right about a 1/4 of the time.

  22. avatar
    concerned in Michigan
    September 20, 2012

    Funny how HK uses DOW CORNING products while several Vice Presidents at DOW CORNING are actively trying to shut down the shooting range in Midland MI., DOW CORNING’s home town. Never mind that the range has been there longer than Dow Corning has been a corporation.

    • avatar
      Matt Gregg
      September 23, 2012

      I live in Midland too, I assume you’re talking about the midland sportsman’s club. What VP’s are trying to get the club shut down? Is there anything I could do to help?

  23. avatar
    jacintho
    October 27, 2012

    bonjour à tous
    je viens d’acheter un HK USP Tactical
    Que du bonheur ….!!!!
    Effectivement, c’est bien une Mercedes !!!!
    J’ai longtemps hésité avec un Glock, mais l’esthétique de ce 45 a eu raison de moi ….
    Bien m’en a pris 8888

    • avatar
      fuad rizkala
      November 25, 2012

      Cher Jacintho,

      J’admire votre courage de vous adresser en francais a tous ce monde d’americains, qui prononcent { champe elaiyzes } le nom de la celebre avenue.
      J’admire aussi chez vs, le sens de l’esthetique. Ce n’est jamais une bonne arme, celle qui n’est pas une belle arme.
      Sans vouloir offenser quiconque, je me demande comment bcp de monde en viennent a penser que Glock, est un bon pistolet, ( toute consideration de poids mise a part.).
      Best regards .

  24. avatar
    Mark
    November 12, 2012

    Good article. I have 2 USP Tacticals (long story). I love em, and carry 1 every day (open). I have 10K+ rounds combined through them and only 1 stoppage. Not the weapons fault, it stovepiped while I was laying on my right side with the ejection port pretty much on the ground. If/when SHTF I KNOW these will be there and will function with zero difficulties.

  25. avatar
    Sciguybm
    December 23, 2012

    Have a USP Tac: “someone” comparing it to a Mercury means “someone” does not actually own one.
    Have Walther and Glocks & shot Sigs: None are more accurate then the USP. Glock & Walther are much less so, throwing arrant rounds anytime and anyplace. Sigs are prone to hot/cold placement….once hot they are in one grouping, cold a different grouping. Not so with the USP.
    The rifling of the USP is quite unique and the reason it is so accurate. No grooves, only lands, (hills) that are sharp not rounded. But it produces a very unique ballistic profile so criminals beware. Highly recommended for the shooter wanting to hit target first time. However, that shooter better have full-size hands. If you can palm a basketball you’re a winner. Occasionally palm a basketball: ok to go. NOT palm a basketball: forget this pistol.

    • avatar
      Wat
      September 1, 2013

      He was comparing it to a Mercedes, not a Mercury.

  26. avatar
    Jules
    January 10, 2013

    Nice write up, wow that things quiet.

  27. avatar
    Researcher
    January 28, 2013

    After finally picking up a Mark 23, along w/ all the goodies, I am very impressed; I
    like HK’s; but this one makes the other HK pistols look like poorly finished Glocks! The finish and repeatabilty, accuracy and overall GUNGHO is there in the Mark 23.
    I went in the gunstore the other day, to (maybe) buy a new(er) USP 9; but the finish on MY “used” HK was in better shape and appearance than the “new” pistol.
    I bought a threaded barrel for my old USP 9 instead. Tap Tap.

  28. avatar
    Don
    March 2, 2013

    FYI, Safariland’s 6280 fits the tactical’s sights with no issues. They even make a model that fits with the HK proprietary tac light/insight M2 attached.

    Blackhawk also makes a kydex model that fits the tactical, but its construction is inferior to the Safariland. Feels cheap, and no lining on the interior of the holster either, which tends to excessively wear the gun’s finish.

  29. avatar
    Danny
    April 21, 2013

    Hey, I’m just curious but what are the major differences between the USP 45 CT and the HK45 CT?

    Are the metals treated the same way as far as corrosion goes?

    I have smaller hands, is there a big difference in the grip between the two?

    I really enjoyed this write up and am planning on buying either the USP45 CT or the HK45 CT soon but have nowhere to compare them myself in person so I’m relying on online sources before I order one.

  30. avatar
    Patrick
    May 10, 2013

    I have the H&K usp 45 not the tactical one. This is one amazing gun and a fine shooter both my children ages 12 and 14 had no problem with shooting at a indoor range at about 15 to 25 feet. It’s a fine gun and very easy to put on targets I would like to put night sights on it but other then that great gun. I do feel more confident shooting my colt 1911 series 70 but I think its a weight and balance thing. More time shooting and I feel I will overcome that. I recommend it to anyone looking for a full-frame 45

  31. avatar
    John
    August 15, 2013

    The mark 23 was built to be an offensive pistol. They have since been shelved and the h&k 45c tactical has replaced it. The over all length of the mark 23 with a surpressor is similar in length to the mp 7 and the older mp5. The thought was that if you have a sub gun with higher capacity and isn’t much longer than the mark 23, The mp 5 with integrated surpressor I mean; then why use a pistol. By most people’s standard the mark 23 is a big pistol add a surpressor and its a huge weapon. With all that said, I’d still love to own one. As for the sig guys out there, they are great guns. The 226 was almost the standard side arm of the us military but beretta beat sig out by less than eight dollars per gun. The usp is a direct descendent of the mark 23 pistol with the recoil buffer system. I have been a 1911 guy all of my life, with a smith revolver hear and there, the h&k usp, 45′s, and mark 23′s are the finest combat pistol ever devised. They are rugged, accurate, well thought out with the help of a lot of (I hate to use this term) tier one guys and they generally are the end users of them. The regular naval special warfare guys still get 226′s, the special forces and the rangers still get beretta 92′s; those are great guns.

  32. avatar
    Tokamak
    August 15, 2013

    What happens when the O-ring wears out? Or does it? I remember when those first came out thinking that was a bad idea but time would tell…

  33. avatar
    Rod
    October 28, 2013

    I have a Stainless USP .45 full size, and a regular finished USP .45 full size. Bought them together in 1995. In ~5500 combined rounds I have yet to have a malfunction. Very accurate pistols. Very well made. The SS is my bedside weapon, the standard USP is for winter CWP (summer CWP is a Glock 26). I expect all three to outlast me :)

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