Gun Review: H&K P30

In a world of compromise, some don’t.

Thus reads the unofficial slogan of Heckler & Koch, whose products I can only dream of owning…not just because they’re expensive, but because they won’t sell me the really neat stuff they make. Since 1949, the good folks from Oberndorf have been supplying excellent firearms to just about any government willing to pay for them. H&K’s achievements are numerous, but since that’s not the point of the article, I’ll be brief; they have been tactical since before tactical was cool. They revolutionized the use of plastics and polymers in firearms, popularized polygonal rifling, designed a rifle that didn’t need any of those silly brass casings, and still make everything from target pistols to heavy machine guns. All that being said, let’s take a look at their latest pistol offering. Meet the H&K P30…

Isn’t she beautiful? You won’t find any blued steel or wood grips here, but I think she’s pretty in the same way a shark is. Just like those monsters of the deep, the P30 is highly evolved and looks downright predatory.

The slide is smooth and streamlined, interrupted only by aggressive cocking serrations both fore and aft. The low profile, fin-like sights only add to the overall sleek look of the handgun. The pistol’s size is in the intermediate class: she’s neither compact nor full size, but somewhere comfortably in the middle, much like the GLOCK 19. In fact, it’s only 1/10th of an inch shorter than that model GLOCK and just a tad wider if you include its much larger slide release. And the P30′s about an ounce heavier.

The frame and grip are H&Ks usual fiber re-enforced polymer, and everything looks sharp, from the standard accessory rail to the checkering on the front of the trigger guard to its 0h-so-comfortable grip. But more on those later.

Technically speaking, the P30 is more or less the classic link-less Browning tilting barrel action, just like the H&K P2000 before it. And before that, the infamous H&K USP. If it isn’t broke, there’s really no reason to even think about fixing it.

The slide (which, by the way, is machined from one solid billet of steel) and any important metal parts wear H&Ks proprietary “Hostile Environment” finish. It’s essentially a black oxide coating and it’s resistant to just about everything up to and including 5 megaton airbursts, if H&Ks website is to be believed.

The P30′s offered in quite a few configurations. Caliber-wise, you can get it in 9x19mm or .40 Smith and Wesson. You can chose a SA/DA trigger, a DAO law enforcement trigger, a manual ambidextrous safety, spurred or bobbed hammer, a built in gunlock, and even a RFID chip if you’re either European or too lazy to actually read off the pistols model name, information and serial number.

Regardless of the set-up you chose, the heater comes with H&Ks outstanding 3.86’’ polygonal rifled barrel which is supposed to increase muzzle velocity and barrel life. It also means that not only does H&K cold hammer forge their pistol barrels, but they also design them so that even if completely blocked (say, with dirt, mud, blood or the bullet from one of your friend’s handloads) you can still fire a round without the gun going grenade on you.

I personally witnessed a P30 brought back from the firing line with a severe problem. The slide was locked back, and would not move forward. The culprit was a bulged barrel due to a round being fired after a squib became lodged. The pistol was sent back for warranty work, the barrel was replaced, and the owner was quite happy that he still had his shooting hand.

One novel feature of the gun are its interchangeable grip panels. Quite a few pistols on the market have interchangeable backstraps, but someone at H&K had the idea that maybe that wasn’t the only part of the stock people might want to adjust. The pistol comes not only with three interchangeable backstraps (in small, medium, and large), but also with interchangeable side panels.

 

The backstrap, which is kept in place with a small roll pin, keeps pressure on two removable side panels, one on each side of the gun. They slide into place allowing a shooter not only to change how the back of the pistol fits the hand, but also the sides. What’s even better is that the side panels can be set up asymmetrically.

This allowed me to put a large, somewhat bulkier panel on the right side of the grip to fit the concave shape of my particular palm profile and a flat panel on the other side  to get maximum grip with my very high thumbs-up shooting style. Not only are they modular, but the panels are textured quite aggressively. Not to the point where they feel like they’re going to cheese grate your hands, but textured in such a way as to dispel any worry about keeping a good grip on the gun after dunking it in a barrel of motor oil.

It may seem like a gimmick (it did to me, at first) but the modular grip makes a huge difference in practice. I’ve shot and handled a lot of different handguns and I can say without doubt that after setting the grip panels the way I liked, this pistol fit my hand better than anything else I’ve ever held. With a fully loaded magazine, the balance was darned close to perfect. It pointed very naturally, just like an extension of my arm,  just the way a gun in this class should.

But the real question was how would it shoot? I started off with the 9mm version going fairly slowly, plinking at paper targets at different ranges just to get a feel for the firearm and to get used to the SA/DA trigger. I have to admit, I’m spoiled rotten when it comes to triggers. I’m used to nice 1911 designs with fairly light triggers. Also striker fired pistols, specifically my GLOCK, with its boringly predictable bangswitch and super crisp reset.

To be frank, the P30′s go pedal bothered me from the first shot to the last. Not just because of its weight, but because as I pulled the trigger back, my finger would uncomfortably rub across the top of the paddle-style magazine release located at the bottom of the trigger guard. I had to shift my trigger finger placement slightly to the left, but after doing so, the mag release wasn’t a problem.

Predictably, the double action pull is long and heavy. The single action trigger pull, however, is a breath of fresh air. In DA, it starts out a tad mushy but then stages and firms up, allowing you to very easily take up the slack to press through the last bit and drop the hammer. In SA, it’s fairly light, although the pull was a bit long for my taste. Both modes, though, were smooth and consistent and by the time I was done with my warm up, I had more or less figured out the trigger.

Well, almost. The one thing I couldn’t abide about the P30′s trigger was the reset. Or, should I say, the almost complete lack thereof. The reset is so far forward and so hard to feel that it’s almost not worth bothering with. This is probably the single biggest detriment to an otherwise outstanding handgun.

The H&K’s sights are a typical 3-dot configuration and are placed far enough apart to allow easy alignment. They use a proprietary H&K luminous paint and are easy to pick up quickly at my favorite indoor shooting range.

The pistol’s magazines are very well made and sport a black finished steel body. And unlike many double stack mags, they’re fairly easy to load. I didn’t need any special tools – or shred my thumb – to fully pack the P30′s fifteen rounders.

With my initial familiarization of the pistol completed, I borrowed a Blackhawk! SERPA holster, strapped it on, and got down to business.

Over the course of a quite enjoyable afternoon, I burned through over five hundred rounds of ammo in various flavors. From high quality American made to imported steel cased ammo with funny animal names, the P30 eagerly devoured everything. The gun cycled perfectly only one malfunction…and that was a failure to fire from a bad primer. Being a double action, I theoretically could have pulled the trigger for a second strike and tried that stubborn primer again, but I automatically tap-rack-banged and cleared the round before I thought of it.

Any pistol will behave well when you baby it and shoot slowly. But with H&Ks reputation, and the P30′s obvious intention as a duty firearm, I figured it deserved a sterner workout. The vast majority of my test was conducted by firing as quickly as I could yank the trigger.

My method was to use the pistol’s excellent de-cocker, mounted on the back of the slide, to de-cock the pistol on a full chamber, holster it, draw, and fire. I varied between drawing and firing a controlled pair and drawing and firing a Mozambique drill (two rounds center of mass, one round to the head). Regardless, the rapid fire portion of my test was done at the seven yard line from the holster, with the first shot fired double action.

And that was where the pistol really shined. With the exception of a few flyers (most likely from the much longer initial double action trigger pull), I kept the vast majority of rounds where they would be needed to stop a threat.

Groups like this were standard and pretty easy to achieve, even shooting as fast as I could manage, flash sight picture and all.

The pistol’s paddle-style mag release is located in a style endemic to many Germanic designs. And although it may not be immediately familiar to most American shooters, the trigger guard mounted mag catch is just big enough and in almost the perfect place (for me). I had to slightly roll the pistol in my hand to dump the magazine, which drops free quite readily, thanks to their sturdy all steel construction. The pistol also had a decent flair in the magazine well so speed reloads were a lark.

Overall, I was pretty impressed. My shooting with the P30 was only marginally worse than what I can do with my regular carry pistol, which has a significantly longer barrel, better sights, and a much lighter trigger. I think this sort of practical accuracy is owed to the pistol’s superior ergonomics, very fine barrel and build quality.

Once I’d shot through most of my ammo and without letting the pistol cool down, I pulled up a chair to the bench, got out my sand bag rest, and braced the pistol for some longer range accuracy testing.

The initial results were not encouraging. The front sight’s fairly wide, and the trigger, even shooting single action, isn’t exactly God’s gift to target shooting. I got the distinct feeling, however, that the pistol, with a 5.85″ sight radius, is still capable of outshooting me. I did manage to achieve some good quality groups at twenty five yards, such as the one below.

After I fired my last round, I loaded up my range bag and decided to be kind and clean the test pistol before I returned it. Breakdown is very conventional. Lock the slide to the rear, drift out the slide catch, pull the trigger, remove the recoil spring and then the barrel and the disassembly is done.

After five hundred rounds – most of which were reloads or cheap imported ammo – the pistol was mighty dirty. But the gun didn’t seem to mind it at all. Even after some tender loving care with a tooth brush and rag, the pistol’s action and function were just as smooth dirty as they were when clean.

In conclusion, I don’t have much bad to say about the H&K P30. It’s accurate, reliable, and very easy to shoot and use. The trigger certainly isn’t to my taste, but I think someone who’s more accustomed to the whole SA/DA trigger thing would have great results.

The price, however, is another matter. I’d have to think twice – and maybe a third time – before laying out that much lucre even though the gun’s generally a joy to shoot. That’s a lot of money to lay out for a gun when our Austrian friends produce something at least as reliable at about half the price. That being said, I have no doubt that this pistol could be rode hard and put away wet for years and years and still provide faithful service.

Specifications:

Model: H&K P30
Caliber: 9x19mm
Magazine capacity: 15 rounds
Materials: Fiber re-enforced polymer frame, steel slide
Barrel Length: 3.86’’
Weight: 1.43 pounds without magazine
Overall length: 6.99 inches
Sights: Fixed three dot with luminous paint
Action: SA/DA
Finish: Matte “Hostile Environment” Black
MSRP: $1023, about $850 street

Ratings (out of 5 stars):

Style * * *
As in all things, it’s a matter of taste. If you’re into the whole polished blued steel and walnut look, this isn’t the heater for you. But if you’re looking for something that’s all down to earth, no-frills tacticool, she’s the Mona Lisa.

Ergonomics (Carry) * * *
This pistol is light, points intuitively, doesn’t have anything that will snag and is wicked quick out of the holster. She is, however, a little on the chubby side. The P30″s probably more at home on a duty belt or in tactical holster, but she’d still be OK to carry in an IWB holster, or, if possible, an OWB holster with a very loose shirt or light jacket.

Ergonomics (Firing) * * * *
All the controls are in the right place – once you get used to that paddle mag release. It’s accurate and is a pleasure to shoot. I’d have given it full marks except for that trigger, which is the biggest drawback to the gun.

Reliability * * * * *
Come hell or high water, this pistol is going to work. What else could you ask for?

Customize This * * *
With the choice of 27 different grip options, a Picatinny rail and a fair selection of replacement sights and holsters, there isn’t much you can’t do to this pistol. The only limitation is the fact that the pistol is rather expensive and fairly uncommon, so there aren’t tons of aftermarket options.

Overall * * * *
The pistol feels great in the hand, is quite accurate, handles flawlessly and is about as reliable as you’d want a handgun to be. It lives up to H&Ks legacy of building excellently crafted, reliable firearms with mediocre triggers.

62 Responses to Gun Review: H&K P30

  1. avatarSevere says:

    I had the opportunity to compare a P30 and the new Walther PPQ the other day and was amazed at the similarities in size and feel. The biggest difference between the two, aside from the price, was the striker firing mech. on the PPQ. I walked away seriously contemplating adding a PPQ to my collection. I’m still considering that option.

    Price wise the PPQ is coming in around $550-600. Anyone who likes the ergonomics of the P30 and who isn’t married to the H&K name owes it to themselves to check out the PPQ.

    • avatarJason says:

      Indeed.

      I did add the PPQ to my collection, and in my opinion, it’s the best new handgun of 2011. While I like the P30, and generally don’t mind spending more to get more, the Walther gives you the same level of quality, the same European proof-house hallmarks, similar ergonomics, and a much better trigger reset for significantly less. Also, the magazine release is the same style, but larger and easier to use.

      If you don’t mind spending a little bit more than a G19, but want to spend a lot less than a P30, it’s worth checking out.

      The only downside is that accessories are still thin on the ground, but the PPQ takes P99 sights and magazines, and magazines from P99 clones, so the situation isn’t dire. The Desert Eagle Fast Action magazines are the best deal, since they come from Mec-Gar, just like the OEM PPQ magazines. And Kahr ships quickly. Holsters are the biggest issue. The shape of the trigger guard was changed from the P99, so it’s not backward-compatible. However, I like Desantis, and they have a PPQ mold, so I’m satisfied. I’m sure other holster makers will be getting molds eventually too.

    • avatar"Dr." Dave says:

      The PPQ is awfully nice, too. The trigger on it is its best features. Unlike some pistols.

    • avatarTwinkie says:

      PPQ owners represent!

      Gotta love that trigger! And the ergo. And the fit & finish. And the price.

      Hate the lack of accessories for the Walthers. Mostly the ability to mount a optic easily. But in a gun as good as the PPQ, what else do you need but sights and a holster?

  2. avatar_ says:

    Wow, Dave For a second there, I thought you were going to tell us why H&K hates us.

  3. avatarPro.0s says:

    Amended:
    They revolutionized the use of plastics and polymers in firearms, popularized polygonal rifling, produced a rifle that chewed up those disposable brass casings, designed a rifle that didn’t need those silly brass thingies, and still make everything from target pistols to heavy machine guns to grenade launchers.

    hehe.

    If only Glock had a similar mag release and interchangeable grip panels…

    Typo: If it isn’t broke, there’s really no reason to even thing about fixing it. (Sorry I couldn’t resist)

  4. avatarJarrett says:

    An open letter to the gun community from HK’s marketing department: In a world of compromises, some people put the bullets in the magazine backwards…But it doesn’t matter, because our gun is on the cover of the Rainbow Six video games. Look how cool that SEAL coming out of the water looks… If you buy a $2,000 SOCOM, you will be that cool of an operator too. And chicks will dig you.

    At HK, we stuck a piston on an AR15, just like a bunch of other companies have done, dating back to about 1969. However ours is better, because we refuse to sell it to civilians. Because you suck, and we hate you.

    Our XM8 is the greatest rifle ever developed. It may melt, and it doesn’t fit any accessories known to man, but that is your fault. If you were a real operator, you would love it. Once again, look at Rainbow Six, that G36 sure is cool isn’t it? Yeah, you know you want one.And by the way, check out our new HK45. We decided that humans don’t need to release the magazine with their thumbs. If you were a really manly teutonic operator, you would be able to reach the controls. Plus we’ve fired 100,000,000 rounds through one with zero malfunctions, and that was while it was buried in a lake of molten lava, on the moon. If you don’t believe us, it is because you aren’t a real operator.

    By the way, our cheap, mass-produced, stamped sheet metal guns like the G3 and MP5 are the bestest things ever, and totally worth asinine scalpers prices, but note that cheap, mass-produced, stamped sheet metal guns from other countries are commie garbage. Not that it matters, because you’re civilians, so we won’t sell them to you anyway. Because you suck, and we hate you, but we know you’ll be back. We can beat you down like a trailer park wife, but you’ll come back, you always do.

    Buy our stuff.

    Sincerely

    HK Marketing DepartmentHK.  Because you suck.  And we hate you. 

  5. avatarRipthesystem says:

    I agree with the above comments. Down here in Wilmington NC all the local police departments have have switched out their H&K,s for S&W M&P,s. Truth be told, H&K has made only one truly great pistol. The P7. Everything else has been overpriced, hard to shoot, mediocre stuff.

    The P30 has the same faults as its predecessor the USP. The combination of the bore axis and recoil system throw your hand off target in the strangest way. Glocks, Smiths, CZs, Beretta PX4s, and even Rugers are much better shooters.

    You can literally get two of the above guns for the price of one P30. I will take an M&P and PX4 please!

    • avatar"Dr." Dave says:

      I used to visit Wilmington every weekend when I was stationed in Camp Lejeune. I had noticed they carried H&Ks. Pretty ritzy for a college town.

      • avatarRipthesystem says:

        Yep Wilmington, and the New Hanover Sheriffs Dept. both carried the USP. Universally, everyone at both agencies prefer their new M&Ps in .45ACP. They also carry +P ammunition in them too. UNCW PD carries Gen4 .40 cal Glocks.

        Semper Fi

  6. avatarKWAL says:

    My Hk45 is might be the most accurate defensive pistol I own. After I put about 3000 rounds through it I had Bruce Gray do his magic on the trigger and internals. I also replaced the crappy stock sights with Heinies. A Surefire X400 and Cor Bon 185 gr DPX rounds finish a package that I think is the most modern choice for a combat handgun. When I’m at home it’s either on my hip or on the nightstand 24 hrs. Raven Concealment is a great choice for weapon light compatible holsters. For old school penetration I have a WC Tactical Elite set up for 45 Super and loaded with Buffalo Bore 255 gr hardcast rounds.

    Oh, and it might be out of the ordinary, but the one time I used HK,s cust service it was great.

    • avatar"Dr." Dave says:

      For those of you that dont know, the HK45 is the P30 chambered in, well, .45 ACP. The backstrap is interchanbagle, but at least on the old version I’m looking at right now, the sidestraps are not.

  7. avatarStephen says:

    Y A W N

  8. avatarJoe Grine says:

    Why do you refer to the USP as being “infamous”? Did I miss something all these years? I have a HK USP-T in .45 acp, and while I will confess to not being able to shoot it all that well, I have never attributed that fact to the gun.

  9. avatarSean says:

    I have shot a number of HK pistols. I think they are extremely well made. But I never liked a single one. They just don’t feel right in the hand. And they are absurdly over priced. A CZ shoots much better. At half the price. A S&W M&P or Springfield XDM shoot better, and cost 1/3 less.

  10. avatarKevin says:

    I thought the HK unofficial motto was:

    HK. Because you suck. And we hate you.

  11. avatarRalph says:

    H&K is a lot like BMW — they hate their customers. But H&K still makes damn good guns.

    • avatarRopingdown says:

      BMW loves their customers. I can always feel the love at the local dealership. It is necessary, though, that you understand the psycho-social complexities of Bavaria. Last week my long-time assigned service account manager actually forgot which one of us is supposed to hold the whip. I guess business had been slow. I bet HK never forgets details like that.

  12. avatarSteve says:

    My wife just bought a H & K P30 and I think it’s a fine pistol….until it’s time to field strip it. This reviews description is completely different to my wife’s. You have to hold the slide at a specific point (not locked back), push a button on the right side then while still holding the action at the same point lever off the release. You basically need three hands.

    Unless we are both missing something.

    • avatarJustin says:

      Try holding the slide instead of the frame with your thumb on the back strap when you are stripping it. That is what I do with my P30S V3 40S&W.

    • avatarM. Lawson says:

      I also have a P30. I shoot right handed. I removed the ambi slide release lever on the ejector side of the pistol. With the ejector side slide release removed, there is a button like nub remaining which you can depress with your trigger finger. If you do that, the take down becomes easy and very fast. You just put your finger on the nub, rack the slide, and pull it right off the front of the receiver. You can take it down as fast as you can rack the slide and put it back together just as quickly. If you’re right handed, give it a try and see what you think.

  13. avatarTuzzy says:

    HK polymer since the USP in my significant experience is the top shelf for reliability and durability. Take it new out of the box put, duty factory ammo in it, and with no break in you can stake your life on it. Period. Oh but it costs so much. Yes it does and it is worth every penny. Oh but Glock. . . . Yea right. The durability of the .40 cal Gen 1-3 is lack luster; it didnt function right with stuff on the rails. The reliability of the Glock Gen 4 9mm is a complete joke. The Glock 9mm Gen 3 for about a 5 years period was certainly the equal and perhaps superior to HK polymer. Other than that it is not the for best for durability and reliability. For shooting dynamics the Glock is superior. (But that LEM trigger is very nice for police work.) However, the (old and) new kid on the block that nearly equals the Glock in overall in shooting dynamics is the Walther PPQ, certainly it has the best stock DAO or striker trigger ever put out on a production gun and full ambi controls are highly desirable. So if you want P30 ergos with awesome shooting dynamics get a PPQ. However, I think the PPQ will not have the same outstanding durability as the HK or Glock Gen 3 9mm.

    • avatarDex says:

      i dont know WTF youre talking about but the glock’s durability and reliability is pretty much hard to beat…especially for the price. im sure militaries around the world and US special forces would select a handgun with lackluster durability and reliability LMAO!!! especially when they have the budget to select whatever handgun they want.

  14. avatarAR says:

    Review is spot on, and also applies to all USPs and P2000s regarding bomb proof design, “slow” trigger, and long range accuracy being limited by the blocky factory front sight. Over the years, I have found that compared to other light weight polymer pistols like Glock and XD, limp-wristing does not cause a malfunction with the USP/P2000/P30 series. YMMV.

  15. avatarJack Kennedy says:

    my gold cup fits my hand perfectly and the plastic stays in the safe

    maybe its just cuz I’m a geezer with a colt fetish…………….but if you stick with the originals, they’re still the best

    do admit that I like my socom, but the suppressor just never seems to come off

  16. avatarkarim says:

    I bought P30 2 months ago in local gunshop in Philippines and very happy with it. The ergonomic is superb, most accurate hand gun i ever shoot. The down side is the price, it me cost 2100 USD+ 200 for license ( i cried only once ha ha ha). But the quality is topnotch. Never had any any issues about trigger SA/DA ect, stock parts works fine for me. I understand that this pistol is designed as combat handgun…..(not for shooting empty cans & bottles)……If you want reliable, accurate & comfortable guns…HK P30 is the way go…….Life is too short to carry ugly guns!

  17. avatarChad Haire says:

    H&K makes quality stuff, but like FN, are a military contractor, and only sell to us civilians as a sideline. So we get crazy prices on the guns, and even more so on parts, magazines, and service. I carry HK’s, but keep a Glock around just in case.

  18. avatarMagarack says:

    I have many HK pistols, FLAME DELETED

  19. avatarmatus says:

    There is a slight difference between HK USP series and other pistols
    because navy seals adopted other pistols and MK23 and USPs were
    developed according to navy seals requirements (are there any more
    demanding requirements on combat handgun than navy sealse have
    ? i do not think so) so if someone says HKs are bad or have medicore
    triggers (it is a service gun not a target one) or something he is just
    not good enough to use it properly :)

    yours sincerely
    happy p30l user

  20. avatarTB says:

    I held one at the store and don’t like it’s feel. Feels like a child molded this from a block of cheese with a potato peeler. The shape is just all wrong. Plus HK’s attitude seriously does not fit with the real world. They live on brand appeal anymore, their quality is no better than anyone else and their guns have odd features added for the sake of annoying people. Examples, civvy UMP-45 uses only single-stack mags as well as the SL8. Prices, too, the prices. These guns are cool but never worth what HK sells them for.

    I’m not a Glock fan-boy but I will admit a Glock is a toaster that keeps going. My brother never cleans his and never treats any of his things well, but the Glock doesn’t fail. He is one of those guys that just shoots his AR and won’t bother with maintenance until it jams or something broke, he needs an AK really. I myself have a PX4 and it’s very accurate and low-recoil, especially since I got the 9mm, but the rotating barrel and action scare me. I never had a jam in 1k round but I just feel that the action wouldn’t be as reliable and I am considering getting a 92fs again. The pistol I enjoyed the most in my life was the P226 though. And Navy Seals DO use those, there is even a version identical to what the Seals use being sold by Sig.

  21. avatarTodd says:

    I have two HK’s, P2000sk and a USP 40 compact, and I love them. I’ve never had a problem with them and they shoot great. I love the LEM trigger. I’ve carried them on and off duty and they are both also fairly easy to conceal.

    Also, I’ve had nothing but great service from HK customer service. Not sure if all the negative comments about customer service are from actual experiences or if people are just repeating what they’ve heard. I suspect a lot of it is just hearsay as I rarely hear the details when people complain about the service.

  22. avatarMike says:

    I have an HK P2000 in 357 sig. Ergonomics are way better than a Glock. I personally like the LEM trigger too. A S&W is next best egonomically, but the trigger isn’t too great. For me, it’s worth the extra $$$.

  23. avatarCaligula says:

    Get a Sig SP2022; it’s half the price of the H&K, includes real tritium night sights, and has a better trigger. If you prefer all metal, go with the P226 or P229.

  24. avatarNikolas says:

    I have one HK P30L. Is there any company that offers improved weapon accessories such as company APEX ? I want to shrink more recoil and trigger stroke

  25. avatarJason says:

    My Glock 22′s plastic guide rod broke while I was firing. It was pretty embarrassing but at least I wasn’t shooting at an intruder. I have fondled a few P30′s and they feel perfect, and I currently own a P2000SK. I’m very happy with it. A gun isn’t just how it shoots, customer service can mean alot, along with warranty. Smith and Wesson are a perfect example. If you don’t want a long pull then I would suggest you get a striker fire and shut up. Its not rocket science!

  26. avatarNikolas says:

    I have one HK P30L. Is there any company that offers improved weapon accessories such as company APEX ? I want to shrink more recoil and trigger stroke

    thanks a lot

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  28. avatarLarry Lunker says:

    I own the P30 9mm V.3 and bought it back in 2009. This gun is fantastic! I have shot about 4,500 rounds through it since (I record all rounds shot through all my guns), and I can honestly tell you I have never had one failure with this gun. I bought a total of five magazines when I purchased the gun, and all of them are still in great condition.

    The accuracy is still excellent. The gun is still tight and with a little polish could pass as semi-new.

    Whenever someone asks me what gun they should by, I never hesitate to say the HK p30 9mm or .40 cal.

    I switch between this gun and my 3″ Colt New Agent .45 for my carry gun. Whenever I am out in the open public or in a large area the HK p30 is my choice of carry. Somewhere where I would possibly need high velocity and a gun that can give me a range, I carry my HKp30.

    If you are looking for a high quality leather holster, I had TT gunleather make me a custom holster. Highly recommend Tim Thurner! He is fantastic.

    I will say this. I bought the 9mm only because I already own two .45′s and a .40. If this is your FIRST GUN PURCHASE, I recommend getting the .40. Overall IMHO the .40 is a better carrying round and home self defense than the 9mm. It does kick more but not much. The .40 version also only holds 13+1 not 15+1 like the 9mm.

    Either way you can’t go wrong.

  29. avatarMICHAEL says:

    wanted to know what the pros and cons are of of an h&K usp 40 full size dao lem vs p30 dao light lem

    dont know as to which one to purchase.
    and from what i have learned the ups 40 is very hard to get and is on back order

  30. avatarFrank Evans says:

    All that talk about the PPQ makes me sick, The quality is far from HK’s P30, no were near as solidly built and the grip feels nothing a like other than shape. Yes PPQ’s trigger reset is awesome, Whoppty fucking due, A Glock with a $170 Pyramid Trigger feels loads better in ever way and over all is cheaper. The PPQ is so tapered that the sites look dumb and let’s no forget PPQ’s undersized eject port making the gun just like the PPS stovepipe a lot. 400 rds through mine and I had enough I sold it, It’s cheaper, because folks it’s a cheaper gun. Deal with it, Like the the Sigpro 2022 is a poor man’s 226, the PPQ is a poor mans P30. No one should be ashamed to own a PPQ it’s a great gun at that price, but it’s no P30 or far from the tank built 226.

  31. avatarRichard says:

    Its 2013 There’s no need for a Double Action Pistol with a High Bore Axis and with a price over 1000 dollars ! I wish I had a dollar every time I’ve heard it spoke .

    I made my third transition to DA/SA Pistol back in 1995. And I still use the SA/DA Pistol = A SIG P229 in 40cal..

    I’ve been wanting to go back to 9mm because I’m getting older and bullets like federal 124 +P HST will do fine for CCW use.

    Pistols I looked at.

    SIG M11A1- I’m a sig owner but no way will I test the new DASH-1 Slide and long extractor. If it was made to M11 specs I would of bought it .

    GLOCK 19 – to many reports of problems!. Great job screwing up a nice pistol guys!

    S&W M&P 9mm Hit and Miss . reports of 8MOA groups. And it seems they don’t care.

    Walther PPQ – Hey its German 9mm But I don’t see LOTS of mag’s , parts, holsters

    HK P30 9mm . German made. has a good rep. Parts/Mag’s can be bought at HK Parts. Lots of holsters to be had.

    I chose a P30S V3 9mm . Its about the only Pistol I trust to be GTG out of the box
    I would of trust a SIG MK25 and the Beretta M9 etc! but they aren’t compacts!
    and the only thing that might need changed on the p30 is the sights. But I would of done that with a Glock right..

  32. avatarJoe Rubio says:

    I’m somewhat of a novice when it comes to internet comments. But, why do so many Glock fans have their period and literally have a panic attack when another gun is wrote up as being great. Damn, they come out of the air like zombies hearing a loud noise. Glocks are a fantastic gun. But Glock-Tards are the worst brand whores on the net. They’ve surpassed the 1911 snobs (who they whine about constantly) in douchiness by light years.

  33. avatarVanaspatti says:

    Last time I checked they don’t sell to civilians because our government said no more importation of cool guns. Also we won’t do anything to attract you to make your cool guns here. Also we are striving to make guns uncool. We have even banned super soaker commercials. Dolls are the new guns and fashion is the new war.

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  35. avatarOar Boar says:

    I owned a Glock before I could afford an HK. If you’re funds are tight, a Glock is an OK choice. It’s just that I would never go back to one, it wasn’t fun having people snicker at me at the range when they saw my Glock 19. Maybe thy were snobs, but I now see why they would roll their eyes when yet another guy shows up with a a Glock.

    They’re boring guns. And I don’t trust the lack of manual safety. Most Glock owners don’t care because no girls would even noitice if they accidentally shot themselves in the genitals.

  36. avatarGetto Rednek says:

    So I have an opportunity to pick up a P30 .40 cal for $500. Comes with 50 rounds and a hard plastic holster. The gun itself appears to be in excellent shape with very little holster markings. It feels and shoots great. What do y’all think? Should I get it?

    • avatarKyle in CT says:

      Personal opinion here, I tried the P30 at the rental range today, and it just didn’t feel “right”. In 9mm it felt snappier than a P229, and the Sig pointed better for me. I actually had a similar problem that I have with Glocks, in that it doesn’t naturally point right for me. If it feels good in your hands, points right, and it is shooting reliably, I’d say go for it. But I would put at least 20 rounds through it yourself to make sure that YOU can shoot the gun well. Don’t get me wrong, it feels like a great gun, I would have no issues trusting it to go bang every time and hit what it’s pointed at. But I can’t point it reliably enough. I could still hit a 12″ circle at 15-20 yards, but it took a lot more work than with a Sig. When you get to choose for yourself, I really don’t see the point in picking a handgun that’s fighting you all the way. Given how snappy it felt in 9mm, I can’t imagine being able to make good follow-up shot in .40. But that’s my hands, my stance, etc. You won’t be able to tell without shooting it yourself if it will work for you, so I’d ask the seller to let you run a box through it on your dime before making the decision.

  37. avatarIXLR8 says:

    I have taken my P30S to the range a few times. For me it is not as absolutely accurate as other pistols I have fired. The accuracy certainly exceeds my ability. The trigger is a little spongy, but very manageable. What I do like is that it shoots any ammo I put in it without any problems. It is just a range gun for me, and carry is not a priority. I did buy an HK P30L threaded barrel and probably paid too much for it. My accuracy improved with the “L” threaded barrel. It also is drama free when I attach a suppressor to it. It is probably not the right pistol for everybody, but it has proven itself reliably through the worst that I can throw at it.

  38. avatarChris says:

    I’ve held the P30S, and was amazed how it felt in my hand. My only gripe was the location of the manual safety and its proximity to the slide release. If the was in a different spot, or smaller I dont think there would have been a problem. Other than that I think it felt superb, and this is coming from someone who loves the way his P2000sk feels, which is also amazing.

  39. avatarGetto Rednek says:

    Fired it. Bought it. What a fantastic weapon! It’s even better know that I swapped the grips. Thanks for the feedback Kyle.

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