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“Can we please put an end to the silly idea that yanking on the slide is ‘better’ than just hitting the slide release when you’re doing a slide lock reload?  The truth is that they’re both fine motor skills.” – Caleb “Not Shown” Giddings @ gunnuts.net.

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17 Responses to Quote of the Day: Caleb Grosses Me Out Edition

  1. IMO, both methods are equally effective and acceptable. If someone confuses Mr. Thumb with Mr. Trigger Finger, they’ve no business holding a firearm to begin with.

  2. That lever isnt a slide release on all firearms. On my FNP-45 Tactical, the manual refers to it as both a slide stop and a slide release. Officially it is a slide stop, and FN tech support will tell you explicitly to not use the lever as a release. From my experience, it will usually release the slide, but sometimes only one side of the lever will release, the lever on the opposite side will remain engaged with the slide.

  3. I was told that it’s somehow bad to allow the slide to go forward with a push of the lever. I don’t see how, the recoil is far more physical than the simple drop.

    His stunt with the slide is dangerous, use it right or don’t use it at all.

  4. I think FPS Philippines may be doing something that may be a little unsafe. The way I was trained, the slide release is usually used unless you go into a malfunction drill. Then use the whole slide.
    What he is doing can lead to some unintended bleeding.

  5. The thing for me is that I can barely get the slide to drop on my XD9 with the slide release even when I have all the time in the world to do it. It’s an incredibly uncomfortable little square of metal to press with my thumb (whether strong or weak side), and so even if I could find it quickly under stress, I have no confidence I could work it reliably. On the other side of the equation, I have no trouble at all racking the slide. Since I have to practice that anyway for clearing malfunctions, it’s a simpler solution for me to work the slide all the time.

    • Get an extended slide stop. I did the same for a couple of my Glocks. I know XDguys make them, but I don’t know if they are great or not, I’m a Glock guy. If you train for real stress encounters, it is nice to be able to use your thumb quickly.

      • Pistolgear’s slidestop is a hell of a lot more aggressive; when I looked the other night, I believe that springer precision had them in stock.

  6. Depending upon the model, the slide release may begin to wear on the contact surfaces where the slide is caught. I imagine if you do it often enough, you’ll have to replace a part.

    • The stop/release lever itself will peen with friction and become rounded over time, failing to lock the slide back. My firearms instructor, every course he teaches, will warn the class about it and say “slingshot all the way” because that part can be finicky and can easily be damaged by a lot of use. Then, I had a Springfield XDm 9mm where the part was faulty and machined incorrectly. So it didn’t catch the slide after a small amount of wear on the magazines but the mags worked in any other XDm and new mags worked in the faulty weapon.

      Slingshot it. It is simpler, more often the motion you remember, and some guns like Kahrs like being slingshotted to chamber properly. The round seats best in the chamber from a full stroke of the action and technically the release is a full stroke but it is not as effective as pulling the slide to the extent it will travel on the rails of the receiver.

  7. The fact is, a slide catch can fail. Its way easier to fark up trying to use a slide catch than it is to firmly grip the slide and chamber a round. May be a little bit slower, but I can still swap out mags and get my pistol into action quickly.

    Slide catches sure are nice for when you only have one hand available to manipulate the pistol, though. Ever try broken wing reloads? They’re a bitch, and a good extended slide catch sure helps.

  8. Joe Grine and I witnessed a group of ass-clowns trying this stupid stunt at a local shooting quarry about a year ago. It’s a trick from Hong Kong action movies, and it”s usually accomplished by clipping several coils off the recoil spring. Bad for the gun, bad for the user, and bad for bystanders as well.

    Wishing to ‘Avoid Stupid People Doing Stupid Things’, Joe and I got the hell out of Dodge when we saw this stupid shit going down.

    • I imagine the entire fact that using a reduced power spring with a quarter of it clipped off is innovative for the purpose. However in the 33 second clip above I don’t see him mentioning problems with the gun coming out of battery, failing to cycle or return to battery, increased recoil and slide velocity that’s going to wear the frame to slide fit of the gun out prematurely. That…would make it less cool.

      t’s much safer to watch on my screen, I don’t have as much urge to duck.

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