The Never-Ending Saga of Firearms Ownership in New Jersey

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  1. avatar slicknick8585 says:

    I never had a real itch to visit Jersey. This is good because before I plan my vacation destinations I look at my map that shows which states recognizes my carry permit, and obviously, New Jersey says “Hell NO”. I’d be curious if anyone else checks out the gun laws for their vacation destination and weigh it into the decision of destination. Tourists, particularly those known to not be carrying a gun, would seem to be great targets for a bandit.

    1. avatar Texas Deputy says:

      It is not just concealed carry permits that NJ has trouble with.

      Under HR218 a peace officer can carry concealed in any state, HOWEVER there have been documented cases where NJ officers arrested out-of-state peace officers for having large capacity magazines and hollow point ammo in their otherwise legal magazines, claiming that the federal HR218 does not specifically cover magazines and bullets, only the firearms. This idiocy makes no logical sense.

      I have a lot of family in NJ (all rabidly anti-gun), and my wife is from NJ, so for other than obligatory family events (funerals) I avoid NJ to the greatest extent possible.

      1. avatar Robert says:

        Wait, so NJ is so anti-gun that they will even arrest police officers trying to protect themselves? Who’s been dumping LSD into the water supply there?

        1. avatar Texas Deputy says:

          Yes:

          http://uslawman.websitetoolbox.com/post?id=3428942

          http://forums.officer.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-25400.html

          http://www.foplodge20.org/p1%20exclusive%20%20hr218%20explained.htm
          “I’ve done some research on the subject. HR 218 eliminates the requirement for a weapon permit, or similar, in those jurisdictions that usually would require them. This is so for any officer who would qualify as described in the bill, noted above. It does NOT eliminate certain restrictions. For instance, and as stated above, if a school or a state building prohibits carrying a weapon on the property, then that restriction is still valid. Similarly, in states where they have certain other restrictions, such as on what types of weapons or ammo can be possessed, it’s likely that HR 218 would NOT provide relief from those restrictions. For example, in the draconion state of counfusion known as New Jersey, hollow point ammunition is NOT allowed (who the HELL thought that one up???) Since it restricts even permit holders of that state, so too would officers carrying under HR218 be restricted. This info is based upon legal opinions I’ve read. Your methods may vary, but who wants to be a test case? Especially with misguided fools like the DA in SD, mentioned above. Be safe out there! ”

          http://forums.officer.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-132985.html
          “What a novel topic! Did you check for other threads.
          The chief state that is alleged to refuse to honor it is New Jersey. States really don’t have a choice.
          Dal, do you have specifics about NJ not honoring 218? I now our laws are uptight to say the least but I can’t imagine a NJ officer even caring if a brother officer is armed. That said I do know that the State doesn’t like hollow points and has said you can’t use them as an off duty/out of state officer but then we go right back to said NJ brother not caring what you have. ”

          There are many more similar references. I am looking for the news articles about the arrests of peace officers.

        2. avatar Pascal says:

          Curious I tried to google this item myself and it is scary how many hits came up for illegal activity of various NJ PD including a large FBI case where they nabbed a dozen NJ cops for selling drugs and weapons.

      2. avatar matt says:

        Its nice to see the police policing themselves once in a blue moon.

  2. avatar Mr. Pierogie says:

    It’s sad because it’s true. My local PD is ok to deal with, but this whole state stinks. No wonder when you enter PA the sign reads “America starts here.”

    1. avatar APBTFan says:

      Arizona needs that sign. Pass NICS and you’re good to carry concealed if you wish.

  3. avatar Ralph says:

    For many years, New Jersey has been the place where New York dumps its garbage. Now you know why. New Jersey is the California of the East. And just so we don’t dump on New Jersey exclusively, note that Massachusetts has the same patently absurd “assault weapons” law.

  4. avatar LC Judas says:

    I was waiting for a punchline the entire video. I did not laugh once.

    1. avatar B.Malloy says:

      You are very right, New Jersey’s arcane gun laws aren’t funny at all. They are a serious abuse of power and an affront to personal liberty. I am very glad that I don’t live there and don’t ever plan to spend any of my money there.

  5. avatar Milsurpcollector says:

    Being a resident of New Jermany, I’m going to send this video to everyone I know who lives here, even if they don’t own a gun. I’d like to see some favorable changes made and money saved before I turn 80, which is enough damn time for something to happen.
    Here’s a great example of the hypocrisy this state has to offer.
    A friend and I drove to a range listed on google maps as a rifle range about 45 minutes away from home. I was stoked until we got there and I read the sign. it said “so-and-so county WMA rifle range for licensed hunters and their guests. Muzzle Loaders and Shotguns only. Centerfire rifles prohibited.”
    Yeah we don’t have a centerfire rifle season here mainly because of the dense population. It pisses me off that I can’t take a deer with my sub-moa shooting K98 Mauser. I must’ve got the best mis-matched russian capture Stalin’s goons had to offer. That or sanding the barrel channel to free float it worked wonders, but that’s a different story.

    Another example is that somehow under state law, if you have a C&R license the only thing you can do is get discounts from retailers. You can not have firearms shipped to your door because in this state ALL firearms, be they federally recognized pre-1898 antiques, Federally recognized C&R firearms, or even M1 Garands from the CMP, must go through an FFL dealer to the purchaser. How state law supersedes FEDERAL law in more ways than one here leaves me absolutely baffled. The only exception to all this nonsense is that we can still do private sales among NJ residents and we can still have ammo shipped to our homes, for now.

  6. avatar Smk says:

    You can’t even pump your own gas in NJ. If you can’t be trusted to do that, how can you expect to be trusted with firearms? The state is a disaster.

    1. avatar Aaron says:

      Not that the attendants do that great of a job, either. About three years ago, at the Vince Lombardi service station (northern NJ), I saw a mis-aimed pump nozzle (think you can’t miss at contact distance? think again) cause probably a gallon or two of gasoline to spill on the ground directly in front of my car. Given how much had leaked, and that it was a blazing hot day, I decided that my car suddenly had enough fuel to get home. I like to limit my participation in barbecues to eating, not being cooked alive.

  7. avatar GS650G says:

    All these common sense gun laws have made NJ, indeed cities like Camden and Newark, some of the safest places on Earth.

    Oh wait…

    1. avatar Mr. Pierogie says:

      Not to mention that both of those cities cut their police force due to budget constraints. And yet somehow these politicians are hell-bent on preventing civilians from carrying guns legally.Like the video says, if you need a gun for work to protect piles of cash, then you got it. But if you want to carry a pistol for such trivial reason as personal protection, forget about it.

  8. avatar KWood says:

    What do you mean, “you can’t pump your own gas in New Jersey”? Seriously?

    1. avatar Milsurpcollector says:

      Yeah it’s illegal to pump your own gas here. I wish I were kidding.

  9. avatar Marky says:

    Sigh, get me out of here.

  10. avatar joe says:

    I have a gredential issued by my former aagency under HR218 and a current qualification on a number of calibers.
    The latest amendment to 218 clarified the issue of magazine/ammo restrictions-they don’t apply to 218 holders.
    However,not wanting to be inconvenienced by an ignorant or untrained(in 218) cop,I try to observe magazine restrictions and in the case of NJ I do my beat to avoid that state.
    If I know I’ll be there,I just carry a 45 ACP revolver with 45 Auto Rim 255gr/1000 fps lead RPFN rounds from Buffalo Bore.Those’ll ruin anyone’s day.
    For NY State I just carry a 10 round mag.Usually in a Glock 20SF.
    For MA I carry the same.

  11. avatar Gunner442 says:

    NRA won’t you please come to NJ, we need a NJ version of Heller.

  12. avatar John says:

    Before HR 218, NY law enfircement officers knew not to caryy in NJ. Now after HR 218 you still better not carry in NJ.

    Once,in the 1990s attending my daughter’s HS graduation in NJ, my wife (my daughter’s step mom) meets someone she went to school with in NY. She introduced me to her former schoolmate and her husband, who was a NJ State Trooper Sergeant. When my wife told her old school chum that I was a NYS LEO, the husband chimed in, “Do you have your gun on you?” Not congratulation on our childrens graduation. Of course, knowing not to carry in NJ, I told him no. He then attempted to illegally search me. I told my wife to get the local police officer who was on traffic duty to intercede. He told the state trooper to back off. That was and is how NJ treats LEOs from other jurisdictions.

  13. avatar John says:

    Before HR 218, NY law enfircement officers knew not to caryy in NJ. Now after HR 218 you still better not carry in NJ.

    Once in the 1990s attending my daughter’s HS graduation in NJ, my wife (my daughter’s step mom) meets someone she went to school with in NY. She introduced me to her former schoolmate and her husband, who was a NJ State Trooper Sergeant. When my wife told her old school chum that I was a NYS LEO, the husband chimed in, “Do you have your gun on you?” Not congratulation on our childrens graduation. Of course, knowing not to carry in NJ, I told him no. He then attempted to illegally search me. I told my wife to get the local police officer who was on traffic duty to intercede. He told the state trooper to back off. That was and is how NJ treats LEOs from other jurisdictions.

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