Wisconsin, the latest arrival to the concealed carry party, published the list of states whose concealed carry permits they will recognize in their state recently. Residents from the listed states will be able to travel about Wisconsin strapped as they see fit (within the boundaries of Wisconsin state law, of course) without any additional paperwork. As far as I can tell the reciprocity only applies to resident permits (as opposed to non-resident permits), but hopefully clarification on that issue will be coming along shortly. Make the jump for the list of states with full reciprocity in the land of milk and cheddar.
- Arizona
- Arkansas
- California
- Colorado
- Connecticut
- Georgia
- Hawaii
- Idaho
- Iowa
- Kansas
- Kentucky
- Louisiana
- Maryland
- Michigan
- Minnesota
- Nebraska
- New York
- North Carolina
- North Dakota
- Pennsylvania
- Tennessee
- Texas
- Utah
- Washington
- Wyoming
Conspicuously absent from the list are Florida, which gets the most media attention for issuing licenses to people who have never set foot in their state, and Virginia, where I live. Which doesn’t make sense. Virginia has a training requirement in place but doesn’t make the list, yet Pennsylvania (where you can walk into a sheriff’s office and walk out with a permit having never touched a handgun, like I did) is deemed worthy. There has to be something going on behind the scenes that we’re not seeing.
Permit applications will be available starting November 1.
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I wonder about the depth of the ‘reciprocity’ agreements? The casual observer would assume the ‘Full Faith & Credit’ clause holds water. But you never know. AZ law changes every time the legislature conveniens. UT & NV recognized AZ CCW’s years before it AZ had any agreements with other states. BUT beware, Las Vegas (city) doesn’t allow concealed or open carry. We need to rid ourselves of the gungrabbers in 2012 and get nationwide legislations signed into law.
Regarding open or concealed carry in Las Vegas. I beg to differ. I just went to the Metro Police Website, and according to them, you can’t carry in a list of buildings given on the Website. But, you are allowed to carry inside the city limits. In fact, the office to apply for a permit is in LV.
My guess is that they don’t grant reciprocity to states that don’t return the favor (that’s what reciprocity means, right?)
Washington made the list too, and we don’t have a training requirement. But that is an interesting question, has the training requirement been shown to have any benefit? I don’t read a lot of articles in the local paper about Washington permit holders accidentally shooting themselves. There was this last week, but you have to be 21 to get a permit in Washington:
http://www.rainiervalleypost.com/teen-injured-in-rainier-valley-shooting/
New Mexico did not make the list, I note. New Mexico has a 15-hour training requirement for issuing a CCL. I’m guessing that New Mexico doesn’t recognize the Wisconsin CCL because of a perceived lack of training requirements…this is just a guess, as I ave no idea what Wisconsin requires in the way of training, if anything.
New Mexico used to recognize Utah non-resident permits, but no longer does, due to a perceived lack of training requirements. I note that Wisconsin recognizes non-resident permits from states with which Wisconsin has a reciprocity agreement, so a non-resident Utah permit (which is really easy to get) should be honored in Wisconsin.
New Mexico still recognizes Florida non-resident licenses (although there is no written agreement, per NM DPS website). That’s really the only reason I continue to hold a Florida license since New Mexico still does not recognize my Louisiana resident license.
As can be seen from all this reciprocity stuff, there’s no logic to any of it.
Odd that Utah licenses are not recognized in New Mexico. Are you sure that this has to do with lack of a training requirement? I am a Pennsylvania resident, with a Pennsylvania Uniforms Firearms Act license AND a Utah concealed carry permit, which I got because it was recognized in so many more states than the Pennsylvania license.
The Utah permit has an an excellent training requirement, with a full day of instruction,which included a live-fire evaluation. Oddly enough, I took the course at a gun club in, all places, the P.R. New Jersey.
While the particular course you took for Utah may have included a life fire component, Utah does not require a live fire component for issuance of a permit.
Hawai’i? Hawaii is a “may issue” state that absolutely never issues.
Indiana didn’t make the list even though we grant reciprocity to everyone who is breathing. We don’t have a training requirement but neither does Washington which made the list.
What about us Vermonters?
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New York doesn’t recognise any other states permit, yet it made the cut. WTF!
Missouri doesn’t make the list even though it too “grant[s] reciprocity to everyone who is breathing.” For the expensive license Missouri issues the requirements are quite strict, including 8 hours of instruction and fingerprints for the background check, therefore as of last week or so 38 states grant us reciprocity. Strange.
Virginia might not have made it since it doesn’t require fingerprinting although some counties do.
New York, California, and Hawaii made the list. Massachusetts didn’t. Sigh.
Virginia requires fingerprints and has reciprocity with:Alaska Florida Kentucky Mississippi North Carolina Ohio Pennsylvania South Carolina South Dakota Tennessee Texas West Virginia
Mutual recognition with:
Arizona
Arkansas
Delaware
Louisiana
Michigan
Missouri
Montana
Nebraska
New Mexico
North Dakota
Oklahoma
Utah
Wyoming
No, Virginia does not, and never has required fingerprints. At the date of your post requiring fingerprints was discretionary with the counties, and while some did require it, most did not. Since your post, the General Assembly has passed, and the Governor has signed, a bill prohibiting the counties from requiring fingerprints.
As far as I know, fingerprints are still required for non-resident permits.
CA recognizes nobody else’s permits. We’re so special out here, you see…
I have a TX permit, so I am good there, but not in CA where I live.
It’s a madhouse, all right.
Since July 1st, Wyoming allows CCW by anyone that would qualify under the prior law without the need to actually get a permit. Meaning you dont’ need a permit. So I’m wondering if Wisc (and any other state that recognizes Wy) allows no actual permit to carry.
The list was probably generated by the worker ants in some cubby hole office in Madison. It shouldn’t be too hard for one of our badgers on this blog to find that office and call the ants on the telephone.
Las Vegas is no different than the rest of Nevada re: CCW. Been carrying here for over a year now.
HAVEGUN: When I checked in July for a roadtrip to KCMO from Vegas, Kansas recognized my Utah NR according to usacarry.org. Missouri only recognized my NV res. permit, so I was endlessly “permit jumping” from one to the other as I went back and forth over the state line.
The reason PA is recognized while other states with training requirements are not is that training requirements have absolutely nothing to do with recognition.
From WI DOJ: “Under s. 165.25(12m), Wis. Stats., DOJ is required to establish a list of states that issue a license to carry a concealed weapon, if that license requires, or designates that the holder chose to submit to, a background search that is comparable to the type of background check that DOJ is required to conduct for Wisconsin licensees. The Wisconsin background check includes two components: (1) a criminal history record search; and (2) a search of the national instant criminal background check system (NICS) operated by the Federal Bureau of Investigation.”
Given that though, I still don’t see why Virginia is not recognized. I’m pretty sure our permits require both components. And neither one explicitly mentions fingerprints.
It’s not reciprocity, it is recognition when it’s one-sided like Connecticut. Connecticut certainly doesn’t have reciprocity with Wisconsin, because the Nutmeg State accepts no license but its own. Wisconsin does happen to recognize Connecticut permits, though. Connecticut does issue non-resident permits—and gets paid for each one—and I have reason to believe that the DPS would hate to lose that income by giving recognition to out-of-state permits to make it truly reciprocal. It wouldn’t anyway until the legislature passes a law authorizing them to do so.