Back on February 11th, TTAG pointed out the insanity that was the ATF’s decision to allow 50 caliber rifles walk across the border as part of Operation Fast and Furious. “Senator Grassley recently released documents showing that one of the ATF’s stooges, the man who bought the weapons used to kill Agent Terry, purchased two .50 caliber rifles. The main, perhaps only reason Mexican drug gangs would want a .50 caliber rifle: to take out a truck. Or a helicopter. Now you could say .50 caliber rifles don’t take out armored personnel carriers or choppers, drug smugglers do. And you’d be right. But if we believe that people should be held accountable for their actions, then we must hold ourselves, and our federal employees, to the same standard.” And now examiner.com reports that a recent chopper shoot involves an ATF-enabled fiddy . . .

The downing of a Mexican military helicopter and a shoot-out in the Mexican state of Jalisco that left 11 people dead and dozens of weapons seized could be linked to the controversial Project Gunrunner and Operation Fast and Furious, according to congressional sources who spoke to this column late yesterday on condition of anonymity . . .

The problem, sources say, is that Mexican authorities have not yet provided any trace data on the seized guns. At least one of the firearms is reportedly a .50-caliber rifle. One source observed in frustration, “Who knows if we can get trace data to trace (the rifle) back?”

Sources say Mexican authorities have been reluctant to talk about the case with U.S. authorities, apparently because of the helicopter downing. Mexican authorities have been insisting that the helicopter was not downed by gunfire, but came down because of mechanical problems.

As we’ve said since the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives’ Gunwalker scandal first hit, the Gunwalker scandal is only one part in a bigger cluster-you-know-what, involving duplicitous American foreign policy and, at its heart, enormous financial corruption.

The MSM should be pulling on these threads. And they are, a bit. if they do, I’m down with Brad on this one: there’s enough dirt here to bring down the Obama administration. Whether it will is an entirely different matter.

24 Responses to TTAG Called It: ATF-Enabled 50 Cal Implicated in Drug Thug Chopper Shoot

  1. could be linked … according to congressional sources who spoke to this column late yesterday on condition of anonymity

    That’s a tenuous link. Maybe the rifle was involved but those guys have belt fed weapons and rockets, too.

  2. … there’s enough dirt here to bring down the Obama administration. Whether it will is an entirely different matter.

    My fingers are crossed.

    Yet I don’t see the MSM sinking their teeth into any of this. Nor (disappointingly) the alternative media. You would think P.G.R. and the criminal ATF bureaucrats would be discussed ad nauseam on every firearms forum and libertarian message board out there. But it’s not.

  3. MSM is fine with ATF creating scandals that create the conditions for back door gun control.

    Why do you think MSM gave ATF a pass on Waco?

    ATF needs to be disbanded. (Should have happened a couple of decades ago. ATF is not salvageable at this point.)

  4. RF, the problems at the ATF are older then the Obama administration. As you know from the post I have made at this site I believe in guns and guns right. But to place all the blame on the President for an operation that he inherited is just plain wrong and like I said in yesterdays post, your bias is showing.

    I hate GW Bush and the neocons that have done more to destroy this country since 2001 then I have ever seen. It is they that started this operation and appointed the people in the upper echelons of the ATF. It was the GW Bush administration that decided that in the name of “National Security” they can do what ever is necessary. It is this attitude that let these some upper echelons to do what ever was need to make themselves look good. Rant done for know. :>)

    • I am aware that the ATF has been a rogue agency from day one. The problem with the Obama Administration is that they authorized the Gunwalker deal AND launched a cover-up when dru thugs killed Agent Terry. Like Watergate, it’s the cover-up that. Oh, AND they’re thick as thieves with the cartels.

    • Bush Adminstration operations stopped the US side of the border.

      You haven’t got a clue on what a neo-conservative is. It has become expropriated by Buchananites to be a cover name for Jew.

      • RF Links please.

        tdiinva until your have walked in my shoes, please do not tell me I do not know what a Neocon is. William F. Buckley has been a role model of mine for years along with Goldwater, but the fact is ever time I reenlisted in the Air Force I pledged to defend the Constitution not one party over the other or the America people. I have a problem with groups that hold different standards to different people. Example (GOP and Neo under Bush, It is un-American to question the President during time of war yet under Obama, he is a XXXXXist (Fill in what ever the term is this week) and he is un-American.

        Bush and the GOP neo-con’s did more damage to this country in the name of the war on terror then Obama or any other President. The cold hard fact, which I have notice a lot of people have selective amnesia about, is that the debt under the GOP and Bush increased by the largest amount in history, that Military spending, especially as related to “Black project” exploded( All in the name of the war on terror). That for most of the Bush years the GOP keep the cost of the war’s “off-the book” and gave tax breaks to Wal-Mart, Oil companies and the rich on the hope that they would create jobs.

        I know that one of your replies is going to be “Obama run up the largest debt” Just not true, one he took over an economy that was in free fall and starved off a new depression. Two, a good chuck of that debt was bail-out, which have mostly been paid back, Tarp( A GOP and October 2008 thing), which went to “To Big to Fail” and the Warren Buffet’s(Another role model) of the worlds and may or may not be recovered, three he put the war’s cost on the book so that the actually reflected the truth and not the GOP storyline.

        RF and other act has if Bush and the GOP are saints and have always had the best interest of the American people in mind and that Obama some how stole the Office of President. The fact is that in California the only one ever recently convicted of voter fraud where GOP activist.

        I love this nation and will defend it till my dying breath. I will do my best to see that the needs of the People is what is used as the measuring stick and not the blind dogma of any party or person.

        Rant done for know I am late getting to the range. I going to try the SW .357 today.

        • FYI I was not pro-Bush. Nor do I see the GOP as the saviors of conservatism.

  5. If someone produces pictures of POTUS, Andrew Traver and a goat, then, maybe, Gunwalker will bring down the administration or ATF. Otherwise, dream on, my brothers, dream on.

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