Well, it’s still legal. For now anyway. Who’d a thunk it? RF sure didn’t, but who can blame him given ATF’s track record? Against all odds, the Slide Fire Solutions bump fire stock is still for sale and, according to ATF, still legal. That is until the ATF changes its mind. Again. But wait, the ATF wouldn’t tell a company something is legal and then change their collective mind after that company’s invested God-knows-how-many thousands of dollars in manufacturing and marketing. Would they? Just ask Bill Akins. If you’re in the market, I wouldn’t tempt fate by waiting. Oh, and if you do pick one up, remember that you risk a ricochet by shooting at open water, mkay?
Maybe I’m not a die-hard full-auto guy, but I wouldn’t want some sloppy plastic stock on my gun. Neat idea though.
Hey Eric, Here is a solution. Aircraft Aluminum bump-stock for AR15 and AK. Also available for SKS and Mini14 when using a TAPCO stock using a m4 buffer tube. We have the slip in block for both stocks that accepts the M4 tube. http://www.tapco.com/products/sks/index.php?_a=viewCat&catId=32
These are not “sloppy plastic stocks.” These are rugged and precision made. Our phone number is 817-894-5098
Ooooo, cool. And illegal in MA. But then again, so is bubblegum.
I was thinking of getting one in MA. How do you know it is illegal in MA?
He’s a lawyer.
actually, it IS legal in Mass. at least for now. We were just talking about this at my club, a few guys have one and love it!
No it is not illegal in ANY state. Get your facts right.
It’s 100% illegal in California. Posession alone is a felony, and gun stores that possess them or sell them WILL (99% of the time) lose their license to sell firearms in the state. If you think different, you are mistaken.
It’s also illegal for the Federal Government to arm terrorist and drug cartels, but they do it. Anyway BATFE has stated in writing that they do not regulate stocks if they do not mechanically assist the shooter. The plastic Slide Fire and the Aluminum Cobras do not.
As far as MA law don’t know…
Soooo, if you’re bumping back with your weak hand, how is accuracy working there? Nice shooting into the water though-I wouldn’t want to live any where nearby.
i just got one and tried it out the other day.. i have a magpul angle grip just in front of my magazine, and ill tell you its hard to hold it steady for the first shot cuz yes as you asked youre pushing the rifle fwd to fire with your aiming/steadying hand(angle grip good for regular shooting tho). I just ordered a folding foregrip to place farther fwd on my rail , i figured itll be more comfortable to fire with an actual vertical grip. But i like it, its alot of fun. kinda shifty cuz its built to slide but some plastic shim and glue will fix that np
I think it uses the buffer spring to automatically ‘bump’ back for you, which would be a little more stable than ‘freebumping’. Still not too stable, however. I’ll pass, even though it could be fun for a while.
I have actually been considering one for two reasons,
1. It would be fun for those times when you have friends over.
2. You know at some point the ATF will decide they are full auto device and ban the sale of them making the sale price of these skyrocket.
If/When ATF bans them they will just make you turn them all in. Just like they did to Bill Akins maker of the Akins Accellerator.
Well them we might as well roll over take ot up the ass and turn our guns in now cause the govt says so!
Actually, just the opposite would happen. If these are banned or re-classified as full auto they would become worthless. Full auto folks would have no reason to use or possess these and anyone who does not hold a full auto permit will be holding onto a felony.
Since when are firearms toys?
No such thing as a “Full auto permit” you just have to pay the tax stamp price
That looks really cool but I’m willing to bet that if you use this in MA or RI that you’ll most likely be arrested and lose all your guns, even if it’s legal.
Let’s see…
($349) + (ridiculous amounts of ammunition being dumped i.e. $$) = (1 really great weekend) + (certain divorce)
balance that equation and you have your answer on whether or not to get one.
One you added the divorce thing, I instantly bought one.
So…if fun = guns and guns = divorce, then fun = divorce.
That’s the transitive property of gun fun.
That’s why I have so many weapons, I’m getting my 3rd divorce next month!
Ralph, you are the man!!
i also was skeptical at first, but had to jump headfirst anyways.Now after some serious range time and 6 slidefire stocks im glad i made every purchase its a win win.It is very controllable after a few outings.
Six bump fires? You are exactly who these companies love. Buy a nice scope next time.
It is amazing how many people will snark something without ever having touched it. Who knows; maybe the hundreds of these sold, together with the ‘fast and furious’ driven “abolish the ATF” movement,” will lead to an FBI take over and an amnesty so the gov can get decent records. When owning a registered mg, always think positively. In fact, it is a good idea most anytime.
What part of “shall not be infringed upon” don’t you get?
For all you naysayers out there. This is the most fun item to use on a AR-15! Its very controllable, I’ve shot a M-16 and the barrel rise is not as much on the AR-15 at all. My daughter and I had a blast on the back side of the farm the other day! Of course I don’t live in a communist state like MA, NJ, NY, or CA. I happen to live in KY where we still have most of our weapon freedoms. Don’t be a hater now
Can i have this in canada?
Sure you can have the slide fire, just not the AR 15 rifle.
we are allowed to have ar-15′s, and i was looking into getting one of these. does anyone actually know if its legal? cant find any answers
AR-15′s are legal in canada just restricted. it would be interresting to find out if this is a legal mod though as you would technically be fireing semi-auto just quickly. on the other hand i do believe there are laws about “attachments or mechanical advancements to make the fire arm prohibited or prohibited like” so who knows, best to find a cop buddy and ask them, if they get hooked we may have a chance!
PIEM makes custom Bump-Fire stocks that meet US BATFE guidelines. Go to http://www.piemllc@att.net.
i have one on an AR lower…. the uppers i use are 5.56, 5.45, and 9mil…. the 9mil is the most fun (do to the light recoil ) and the least expensive to shoot…. my shooting buddy has an M16 and my slide fire can dump a whole 32 rd. mag as fast as his M16… is it as accurate as the M16…. of course not !!! is it as fun as the M16…. hell yes !!!
If the slide fire is banned by the ATF and I own a few of them before the ban can I legally sell them to a friend? What would I have to do to sell them legally?
If the ATF considers them machine guns, they will be regulated under the NFA which prohibits possession/transfer of post 86 machine guns by non-dealers. To sell them legally, you would need a) to become a dealer, and b) purchase new stocks (which would require a demo letter from a law enforcement organization). The ones you purchased would not be registered and there is no way to do that since you did not manufacture them.
Dont expect to be able to keep them (legally) if ATF changes their collective minds.
first off isnt the purpose of having the ability to have a gun capable of being a full auto weapon to throw lead at your target I dont believe accuracy is an issue when surefire makes 100 rd clip for the ar in 5.56 rounds and after 100 rounds you havn;t hit what your aiming at you have other issues to work on. second when you buy one of these you sign no paperwork the govt will have no idea you have it so turning it back in really you gonna just give it to them RIGHT!!! and 3rd but not least go to your local court house find your ATF rep there and ask if it’s legal as they are in PA. oh and for richocheting off the water who target shoots at fish
If they are banned that’s one thing. That just means no more manufacturing them. You won’t be able to use them at any range, but possessing one won’t land you in prison. But, if they are made illegal own, or most likely classified as a full auto part, then anyone who does not hold that type of license and decides to keep their bump fire are basically holding on to a felony. Maybe you’ll never be caught with it maybe you will. Wouldn’t be worth it if that’s what happens. And the talk among law enforcement and shooters is these will be classified as a full auto part in time, so everyone buying these up are basically buying an illegal firearm part they will have to tuck way back in their closet never to be used again except in very rural area that’s safe to shoot.
At least be honest with the situation, we all know these will be re-classified soon. I’m amazed it’s gone this long.
$350 is way to expensive for what you get, it is a damn ripoff by money hungry jerks that don’t care about anything but money and know there are enough people who can afford to throw the money away & idiots that will buy it instead of food for their kids just to BE COOL. Neat idea but way over priced.
That is the entire idea Brian. To sell as many as they can until it becomes re-classified and worthless to anyone who doesn’t hold a full auto permit, which is 99.9% of all shooters.
They are a little overpriced actually. However, has anyone noticed that doesn’t seem to be many used ones up for sale, and when they do turn up, they cost almost as much as a new one. It looks like one could recoup most of their loss that way (for now.)
A BOTTLE OF WATER IS OVERPRICED UNTIL YOU ARE THIRSTY, OF COURSE IT IS NOT FOR EVERYONE, BUT THE COST AND TROUBLE OF FULL AUTO COMPARED TO A FULLY LEGAL, CONTROLLABLE RAPID FIRE PLATFORM,THAT YOU CAN ENJOY AND AFFORD,THAT’S JUST COOL. NOT A FAN OF THE PLASTIC BUT THE BUMPSKI IS AWESOME, SHOT ONE, LOVED IT,BECAME A DEALER,BUMPSKIDEALER.COM
I can’t believe you still don’t have your facts right. If you bothered to research the whole story of Bill Akins, you would discover the reason he got his bell rung is because he redesigned his device AFTER getting his letter from ATF.
There is debate over these being legal in CA (Although I purchased one and they shipped it).
I found this on the calguns.net forum——-
here is the PC:
12020 PC.
(a) Any person in this state who does any of the following is punishable by imprisonment in a county jail not exceeding one year or in the state prison:
(1) Manufactures or causes to be manufactured, imports into the state, keeps for sale, or offers or exposes for sale, or who gives, lends, or possesses any ……, any multiburst trigger activator,
(c)
(23) As used in this section, a “multiburst trigger activator” means one of the following devices:
(A) A device designed or redesigned to be attached to a semiautomatic firearm which allows the firearm to discharge two or more shots in a burst by activating the device.
(B) A manual or power-driven trigger activating device constructed and designed so that when attached to a semiautomatic firearm it increases the rate of fire of that firearm.
Thoughts??
I just ordered one online today. i live in ca. I made calls to california DOJ, they said they didn’t know and for me to call my local district attorney (since they would ultimately be the ones to prosecute me). the DA didn’t know, told me to call a gun lawyer. called the lawyer who told me that he had no idea, and the lawyer told me to call california ATF. I then called the CA ATF, who didnt know and told me to call CA DOJ. this time they gave me a DOJ number for gun restrictions. They were the best help. But the woman from the DOJ said that it was a gray area. She said, “will it draw attention to you if you are at the range constantly? probably”. “could you get stopped by the local police and them confiscate your weapon? possibly”. “you might even end up in the back of a police car”. then she said… ” will you get arrested and go to trial and so on… no”. it was NOT illegal, but might draw negative attention to yourself. she said, ” you just gotta ask yourself if its worth it.
now the pc 12020 mumble jumble is a croc, and here is why.
It is NOT a multiburst trigger activator. your rifle is still one round per trigger pull. very important to understand that.
Also, and this is also very important!!!!! the slidefire DOES NOT INCREASE THE RATE OF FIRE OF THE FIREARM!!!!!
imagine that you had the rifle in a vise, and you could use your finger, or anything you wanted for that matter, to activate the trigger as fast as you could. see where i’m going with this? the actual rifle rate of fire has not increased. instead YOUR ability to activate the trigger has increased. BIG DIFFERENCE.
The CA DOJ has no policy either oral or written about the status. I sell a metal version in kit form and as of about a month ago that was there thoughts on the issue
Just got mine in the mail and wasted a butt load of ammo. Works like a charm!
Seen This
Fostech Outdoors, LLC Sues Slide Fire Solutions, Inc. for Patent Infringement of Semi-Automatic Firearm Device
Indianapolis, IN- Patent attorneys for Fostech Outdoors, LLC of Paris Crossing, Indiana filed a patent infringement suit in the Southern District of Indiana alleging Slide Fire Solutions, Inc. of Moran, Texas infringed patent no. 6101918, METHOD AND APPARATUS FOR ACCELERATING THE CYCLIC FIRING RATE OF A SEMI-AUTOMATIC FIREARM, which has been issued by the US Patent Office.
The patented technology is described as “bump fire stocks” which are a device that, when attached to certain firearms, allows the firearm to rapidly fire multiple shots. The complaint alleges that Slide makes, imports, and/or sells a product called “SSAR-15 stock” that infringes the ’918 patent “when used in conjunction with certain firearms assemblies.” The complaint alleges that Slide actively induces other to infringe the Fostech’s patent and thatFostech.JPG Slide should be liable for contributory infringement because it knows there are no non-infringing uses for its product. The complaint makes one claim of patent infringement and seeks an injunction, damages, costs and attorney fees.
Practice Tip: The plaintiff here has made a claim of contributory patent infringement, which governed by 35 U.S.C. § 271(b) and is defined as selling or importing a device “for use in practicing a patented process, constituting a material part of the invention, knowing the same to be especially made or especially adapted for use in an infringement of such patent, and not a staple article or commodity of commerce suitable for substantial noninfringing use”
Personal jurisdiction may be an issue in this case. The plaintiff alleges Slide regularly conducts business in Indiana and the events giving rise to the suit occurred in Indiana. However, none of the specific acts of infringement seem to have occurred in Indiana.
This case has been assigned to Judge William T. Lawrence and Magistrate Judge Debra McVicker Lynch in the Southern District of Indiana and assigned Case No. 1:12-cv-00289-WTL-DML
Wouldn’t order one online. A local gun shop near me sell’s these.
COLD HARD CASH. Been thinking of getting one. Not sure how they would know i owned one if they are banned. Hard to trace a cash transaction you didn’t sign anything for.
just a though
They wouldn’t know, you’d just be holding onto an item that will get you a felony if caught possessing or using one. If they are deemed illegal to own or the most likely scenario, re-classified as a full auto part and you don’t hold the proper permit. It will become a mostly worthless item being those that hold full auto status have no reason to own or use bump fires.
Make it a machine part? How? A bump fire stock has NO CONNECTION with the fire control system of the firearm.
In addition they are fun and can now be had for the AR-10, AR-15, SKS, MINI-14/30, AK and Saiga formats
These need to go.
After years at our local range where full auto has it’s own area and rapid firing is allowed but not appreciated, we have been seeing an increase in bump fires, mainly on AR and AK rifles. At the annual meeting this July where interested gun range members can attend and voice concerns or suggestions, we decided enough was enough and banned these with a majority vote of about 90%. It was in the local paper and the response was all positive. In the last month we have had a larger then usual increase in membership so late in the year, which was surprising being a good number of our newer members this year were bump fire fans. As a military guy and a previous national shooting champion, I find bump fires not only dangerous being any noob can get one, but I find them to be childish like. There are for those folks that need something more then becoming a good shot, or ones who can’t obtain this. I understand it’s “fun” be firearms are not toys and the bump fire is nothing more then a toy accessory added onto a dangerous weapon. That combo along with the majority of bump fire buyers, younger males with little to no firearms experience, is dangerous period. There is no practical use for a bump fire, or a full auto for that matter, on a range or in s defensive situation. They are sold ONLY for the fun factor.
These will eventually be banned not only from production but for private sales as well. The local FBI groups that shoot at our range now and then have said there is something in the works at the legislative level that will deal with this fad severely and swiftly once it goes into effect, what that is they won’t say and I admit I didn’t like the tone of how they said it but it’s obviously on their radar and measures are being sought to rid the bump fire “loophole”.
I would never own one, nor would I suggest to anyone to ever get one. These will most likely be bought up by shooters, conspiracy buffs and sales folks alike, but really they serve no purpose and would be more of a hindrance and liability in a defensive situation. I imagine, like one of the FBI said, that the first few cases of drive-by’s and murders with a firearm that had a bump fire attached will be the beginning of the end of this product. It’s not like the manufactures will take a hit, they are bringing in cash hand over fist from people who have nothing better to spend their hard earned money on.
With “friends” like you, who needs enemies?
If you judge your friends solely on their opinion of bumpfires then you must have a small sorry group of friends.
Thank you for being around to save us from ourselves and define the 2nd ammendment for us.
Glad I don’t belong to your range.
You’re welcome Marcy. You have to be able to pass a basic three gun shoot drill to be a member where I shoot, so yes it’s probably best you don’t attempt to shoot here. We have full-auto here in a designated area, just no bumpfires. Like I told another here, bumpfires are for sissies and all they will do is draw negative attention to gun owners and the gun rights issue itself.
The local FBI groups that shoot at our range now and then have said there is something in the works at the legislative level that will deal with this fad severely and swiftly once it goes into effect,
Really? The bump fire stock has been approved by ATF SEVERAL times and according my last conversation with the Firearms and Technology Branch there is NOTHING on anybody’s radar or any conversation about reversing its position. Even the CALIFORNIA DOJ has no oral or written policy on it..
I certainly hope that these do remain legal as they are a lot of fun.
The BATF doesn’t actually make firearms law. What the BATF does is INTERPRET and enforce the laws that are already in existence. When they approve a bumpfire stock or gadget or whatever it simply means that they have determined (in their opinion) that it is legal according to the current federal laws and won’t press charges against people who own whatever it is unless , of course, they change their mind. (It’s always a good idea to check with them first.) If they determine that a firearm or attachment is illegal in their opinion and it does go to court, if the BATF wins (they usually do), then a Federal court would have ruled on an interpretation of that law and possibly sets a precedent as well. If the legislative branch (Congress) simply makes a law banning them or whatever that is completely different. Then, there would be new laws that determine what is regulated, enforced, interpreted etc. Also, states do have a right to ban items (in their jurisdiction) that are legal under Federal law. So, of course, it doesn’t hurt to check and make sure.
I know. It’s a legislative issue and is open for attack. If it’s ever brought up in congress bumpfires are gone.
I would find it hard to reclassify them as the gun is still semi auto and the hammer resets EVERY TIME
With the Akins stocks, the gun is still semi auto and the hammer resets EVERY TIME, but they were still able to make owning them a felony. I agree they probably won’t be able to call them full-auto, but they can still make owning them a felony.
Interesting concept. But what happens when you get to court and you produce a letter FROM ATF saying they are legal. ATF has issued about 6 letters to different company’s, kind of hard to take back and file on someone for it
C, national shooting champion eh? You have a name?
You could say Camp Perry has something to do with who I am.
I’m pretty sure “c” is in love with Obama! What a communist sissy! Good thing we already ran of the British.
No, I wrote in Ron Paul. Bumpfiring is for sissies.
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C,
The fact that you feel the need to tell everyone how great of a shooter you are makes me really not value anything else you say. You may have a point about bumpfires not being practical, but saying they are for sissies? What does that even mean?
Wow did this thread deteriorate at an alarming rate. It’s resulted in petty name calling?
Bottom line. Responsibly people like fun and don’t set out to hurt other people. If slide-fires are outlawed bad people will still use the available ones out there or find another way to hurt people; what ever it takes. If not with a gun they will find other means like a bow and arrow or a car!!!
Remember. Cars don’t kill people;…drivers will cell phones kill people!
I live in a state where full autos are illegal so to own this stock is great because theres no way they can track if you have it and its thousands cheaper than a legal registered full auto, so why not take the chance on it
LOL….if its not illeagal, why would you care if somebody else buys one? I know your not concerned about other peoples finance, so the “waste of money” theory is a joke.
To think an assult rifle without a bump fire is any safer than with one is just ignorant.
I dont have a bump fire on my AR nor do i plan to get one. Not Because i cant afford it, i just dont want it. But i dont ridicule people that concider buying one.
We live in a capitalist society, with a free enterprise. Good for them, i hope they make millions selling a device that people want!!!
Being as I sell an aluminum stock in kit form for almost 2 years I have only heard of one POSSIBLE legal case standing and it is in CALIFORNIA. IT is still a question weather the local DA will really file it.