San Francisco Police Call Norinco SKS a “Cannon of a Rifle”

Anti-gun reportage is nothing new for left-coasters. Nor is anti-gun hysteria. The most recently outbreak: a proposed ban against open carry. This in a state where openly carried weapons must be carried unloaded, and hardly anyone does so. And nothing bad has happened as a result. Thankfully, that measure proved a damp squib. But the ignorance and animus generating the gun grabbers’ fear and paranoia continues to infect the local media. “Cops uncovered a ‘cannon’ of a rifle while making a pot bust in the Bayview district earlier this month.” How does sfexaminer.com know that this was no ordinary rifle? ‘Cause “the police said.” Besides, look! Look at all those big ass bullets! You can hardly get your hand around them. I mean, those cannons are illegal, right? According to the triumphant cops, who also removed a small bag of “weed” from the world, very . . .

The driver was pulled out of the car. The driver handed the cops a small bag of weed, presumably hoping they wouldn’t search his car, police said.

The cops searched the car and found an SKS carbine rifle, “which is very illegal.” The suspect also had a warrant for his arrest out of Merced County, police said.

He was booked at Bayview Station.

“Gotta believe a life [lives] was saved getting this cannon off the streets,” police said.

That’s right: you gotta believe. Otherwise, what? You’d have to confront the fact that the wast majority of gun crimes are committed with handguns?

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36 Responses to San Francisco Police Call Norinco SKS a “Cannon of a Rifle”

  1. avatarotalps says:

    Well, 7.62×39 is bigger than that assault rifle, evil killing cartridge of the m16, the 5.56.

    Good thing those evil Ruski AK47, spray and pray, fire from the hip machines aren’t chambered with those evil cannon rounds of the SKS.

    Sporting rifles such as were intended by the second amendment for killing deer and such are usually of the low calibers like 30-06 and 30-30, thank God. We don’t need anymore cop killing calibers in this country! What’s next, hollow points that let you kill 30 innocent bystanders for every trigger pull?

    It’s about time we got some common sense legislation in this country to curb this violence!

    • avatarJay S. says:

      You got me. My first reaction was that you were just another low-IQ, feral, uneducated, liberty hating, self-loathing, whining, self-absorbed, hoplophobic, control freak liberal. I didn’t catch the sarcasm until my second read.

    • avatargup says:

      FLAME DELETED 1 sks and ak both take the 7.62×39 round. this round in used by alot of forces around the world. it is a large round but that dosent make them any more deadly than a 30-06. the 5.56 round is not evil as you say thats what our armed forces mostly use to defend our country. the 5.56 round is actually a small round in fact there are videos on youtube where people have to shoot a hog or deer several times with the 223 (5.56) round to kill it. reason #2 a hollow point CAN NOT kill 10 people at a time. all a hollow point does is make a larger exit wound on 1 target. you are thinking of a hand granade cause thats the only thing that i can think of that would kill 10 people with one pop. stop saying things that you dont know as a fact. infact i bet you didnt know that assasins used .22 more than anything else back in the day and that bullet is really small but still deadly ive seed several deer killed with a .22.

      people that are afraid of guns are people that know nothing about them. the media cashes in on this fear every time some idiot misuses a gun but they never try to outlaw a ballping hammer when some biker kills another biker with one. guns are not the only killing tool. if you try hard enough you can kill any size living thing with your bare hands or just a stick you find on the ground. so would you be willing to outlaw sticks? or cut off your hands and turn them in?

      guns are a tool thats all. if you owned one then you might see. just buy the cheapest one you can find. dont buy any ammo but just learn how to take it apart and clean it. hold it and learn how it works then if you dont want to keep it pawn it. you will see its just a bunch of metal plastic and springs not some magical killing weapon.

      just remember a gun is only dangerous if you dont understand it or if you misuse it.

  2. avatarTTACer says:

    Good thing those evil Ruski AK47, spray and pray, fire from the hip machines aren’t chambered with those evil cannon rounds of the SKS.

    lulz

  3. avatarMark says:

    Is the SKS illegal in California?

    • avatarMartin Albright says:

      I don’t know why it would be. It doesn’t have a detachable magazine so I don’t think it falls under their “assault weapon” laws but I’m not an expert on CA gun laws either….

      • avatarTTACer says:

        Also doesn’t have an evil pistol grip or flash suppressor.

      • avatarSlobyskya Rotchikokov says:

        San Francisco gun laws state that unless a weapon has a barrel short enough for the police officer in duty to deep-throat, the barrel length is illegal and must be fitted with a threaded dildo device to render it suitable for personal carry under the Barney Frank / Arnhole Scwarzenfooger ‘Educational Toy” exception/

      • avatarJay S. says:

        Nobody in California law enforcement is an expert on California firearms laws, either. They usually just make it up as they go along until somebody’s lawyer makes them stop…briefly.

    • avatarJohn Fritz says:

      Perhaps the rifle was being carried loaded. I know this is illegal in Pennsylvania. Prohibited in California as well? Or maybe in California if you have your rifle and the bullets for it within 1000 yards of each other then that’s illegal?

    • avatarShane says:

      Nope perfectly legal.

  4. avatarakpcorp says:

    OMG what would happen if they saw the mosin ammo? 762x54r they would flip out

  5. avatarRalph says:

    The SFPD thinks that Farago’s .32 Colt is a hand-cannon.

  6. avatarHolmes says:

    It’s illegal to carry anything loaded (w/o the impossible to get CCW) in California, unless you’re in your house, place of employment, or camping.

    AFAIK, we don’t have any restrictions on rifles, but there is a list of handguns you can’t buy.

    And I’ve never seen anyone carrying an unloaded weapon openly. Ever. Such a retarded law.

  7. avatarillisbig says:

    Not 100% sure but I seem to remember the SKS being made illegal by name in the CA Assault weapons ban, even though it didn’t meet the Criteria. Again, I’m not sure about that.

    • avatarPrince50 says:

      The SKS is perfetly legal to buy and own in California. Two exceptions are any SKS with a true Grenade Launcher attached, (Yugo M59/66) and any SKS with a detachable magazine (Chinese SKS “D” or “M” models). Also if you change the stock non-detachable magazine out for a Tapco or other style detachable magazine it will then fall under the catagory above and be illegal.

  8. avatarRalph says:

    The SKS in it’s original config is equipped with grenade launcher (22mm?) that looks somewhat like a muzzle brake. It’s CA legal (and MA legal, too) if the launcher was removed and an actual muzzle brake is attached.

    • avatarB Woodman says:

      Only the Yugo SKS (currently still available at about $300-400) has the built on grenade launcher. The Russian and Chinese SKS’s have the muzzle brake.

  9. avatarChris Dumm says:

    SKS’s were sold in huge quantities in California in the early to mid-1990s, for prices as low as $110 for the less-handy rifle versions. It’s a shame that most of these cheap SKS’s were unbelievably shitty Norincos, prone to slam-fires and chain-fires or just firing when you activated/deactivated the safety. (Some Norincos are perfectly serviceable, like their 1911s.)

    Then in 1997, the state Attorney General decided that all Samozaryadnyj Karabin sistemy Simonovas were illegal. The NRA pushed through a partial legislative fix in 1998, exempting the original fixed-magazine SKS’s but still banning any which had been configured to accept detachable magazines.

    Since that debacle, SKS rifles and carbines are both completely legal in California, as long as they are still equipped with the original 10-round fixed magazines. New ones cannot be sold there unless any grenade laucher attachment is cut off, but most wholesalers are willing to do this to access the California market.

    As an aside, how many Californians have been killed or injured by rifle grenades fired from SKS rifles?

    • avatarPrince50 says:

      You are correct on all counts except for the slamfire issue. This is simply a result of gun owning Americans not knowing how to deal with Communist storage procedures. Communist countries store their rifles for long term storage by dipping them in a product called Cosmoline, a thick petroleum based goo that coats all internal and external surfaces. This goo tends to build up in small hard to reach areas. It is applied as a heated bath, and flows EVERYWHERE. Newly imported rifles were not cleaned of Cosmoline, and American Gun owners knew to clear the bore, and wipe the outside of their new prizes down. Then they would proceed out to the range and go shooting. The problem is, that the SKS uses a free floating firing pin, and if the firing pin channel is full of goop, the pin cannot rattle back and forth. If the pin is stuck in the forward position, then it will slam fire. This is not a fault of the design. It is a fault of the owner.

    • avatarJack Rabbitl says:

      Too much tongue-in-cheek on this site for me, so I’ll just say it: The politicians are deathly afraid that their corporate buddies have pushed the populace too far with the biggest robbery the people of planet earth have ever experienced. It is massive, and planet-wide. The 1%-ers are therefore taking precautions to keep from being severely ventilated by itate citizens bearing arms.

      The pols and their spin-meisters have already succeeded in totally disarming much of the former Brit empire countries. Now they’re working on us. What are they gonna ban once they’ve taken away everything that goes “bang”? Our forks? Our sharpened #2 pencils? Parn me while I barf.

      I do believe that ‘Merika will revolt, even if we have to throw stones to get the attention of the Robber Barons.

      Klose the Fed! Stop all lobbying! Lawyers in Congress writing laws is a CONFLICT of INTEREST! No more lawyers in elected positions!

      Ban guns? Oh, pshaw! I thought you were up to banning something far more serious, like the theft of everything we own and the heavy taxation of all that’s left.

  10. avatarjoe tony says:

    Most of the non- spring loaded firing pins can get gummed up and slam fire- have had the same problem with surplus AK’s.

    • avatarJack Rabbitl says:

      Only buy an SKS with the type 1 firing pin configuration. That leaves out everything but the Earliest Russian SKS. They have firing pin return springs – absolutely no slam-fires.

      But there’s good news! Kits are available now to retrofit firing pin springs (stainless steel!) on those SKS rifles that don’t have them (all type 2′s) .

      Now all you have to do is move to a south-eastern red-neck state so you can actually fire your SKS!

  11. avatarJB says:

    Never had any slam fire issues with my Norinco or Rommy AK. Just dont use soft primer US ammo and you wont have that issue either. If you are concerned a replacement firing pin with spring can be had for a small sum just google it.

  12. avatarAdam says:

    No, SKS’s are not illegal in California. In fact, I bought a Yugo SKS at Big 5 in the Bay Area just last year. As other posters have mentioned, as long as the original fixed magazine is used and a flash suppressor/muzzle brake is welded on (to prevent the grenade launcher from working), it’s perfectly legal. Mine even still had the bayonet attached!

    I didn’t have any issues with slamfires, but I use Wolf ammo. My firing pin did get gummed up (after >1000 rounds), but it’s not all that difficult to take the bolt apart for cleaning (you do need a pin punch, though).

    My guess would be that the rifle was either in the back seat, or was loaded and in the trunk. CA requires that guns being transported be unloaded AND in a locked container (and the glovebox doesn’t count, although I doubt that was a factor here).

    Yet another reason to leave that shithole of a state.

  13. avatarrufus13 says:

    One problem with California is that the State allows Counties, Cities, and municipalities to have their own gun laws, which makes every local cop their own little ATF. Pass an Amendment to the Constitution that preempts all of them and set up a rational system for “Shall Issue” CCW with reciprocity with all other States and watch violent crime plummet (as happened in FL). Felons and minors will still not be legally carrying, but the police will suddenly by backed up by the local populace and won’t need to be high-speed low-drag Ninja warriors to just do their job. Kicking out the Federal Drug War from the State/sealing the border/OperationWetback2011 would help a lot, too. Oh well, maybe after the State goes BK, gets some fiscal religion, and the Restoration is firmly in place.

    I won’t go back to Kali how it is.

    cheers.

  14. avatarGaviota says:

    Technically, Californica has a pre-emption law forbidding local communities from making their own gun laws. The SAF and NRA have used that law a couple of times against San Fran to stop handgun bans. On the other hand, hoplophobic cops do what they want anyway. Your choice is submit to false arrest, or kill cops. Bad juju any way you look at it.

    • avatarJack Rabbitl says:

      The power to tax gives our politicians the power to destroy – just what they’re doing now.

      The power of the citizenry to carry a gun gives the LEO crowd the Heebie-Jeebies, no matter what state they’re in. Expect them to act that way until the Citizenry saves a number of their sorry butts with CCW guns, and I refer exclusively to the John Waynes among them. That’s already happened in states with sane gun laws.

      BTW, what’s the story with J&G Sales? They advertise a Yugo SKS for $269.95 in Vol 66, Issue 2 in Shotgun News (Jan. 16, 21012), then when you go to order one, it’s $319.95?

      Oh well, they still offer a Saiga Sporter in 7.62×39 for $299.95.

  15. I find it useful to point out to hoplophobes that the ballistic “power” of the round used by the “AK-47 bullet-hose” is inferior to Grandpa’s 30-30 deer rifle.

    That usually shuts ‘em up — for a minute, anyway…

    DD

    • avatarJay S. says:

      I always thought the 7.62 x 39 was about equal in power to the .30-30 ‘thou to be honest I have never really looked into it.

  16. avatarJS says:

    Maybe the reporter compared the round with their weenie. I’m sure that that round really looked like a cannon shell then………………………….

  17. avatar7.62 Re[)E^^pT!oN says:

    Listen to what Prince 50 says.
    He knows more about the SKS than all of you kalifornians combined.
    Great teacher on all things SKS related. Trust me on this.

  18. avatarLabrat1469 says:

    Once again the news reporter goes for ratings instead of facts. If you really want a “cannon of a rifle” try a CETME/G3 or a Mosin Nagant.

    The officer did report that a cloud of pot smoke escaped the car as the perp rolled down the window. Did the cop accidentally inhaled and the pot altered his judgment and perspective?

    Once again the anti-gunners make themselves look like the laughing stock of the world

    • avatarJack Rabbitl says:

      I resemble that remark! I’m up to the eyeballs in Rooshian raffles – well, I have two Mosins and an SKS anyway, but I wonder what those Kalifornica Kops would do to moi if they saw the rest of my stuff. Would they konsider an M-1 Carbine with a 30-round magazine an “assault raffle”? That little gem was issued to “non-kombatants” during ww-2, “just in case”. Uncle gave me one to hold (Loaded!) during the Cuban Missle Crisis and the Berlin Crisis when I was in his fly-boy corps in Europe.

      What’s happened to my beloved America? Where did it go?

  19. avatarNot so smart... says:

    Oh Jack Rabbit1, your gift for subtlety goes right over most heads! I got me a new unfired SKS last month, damn that cosmoline, will need 50 cleans to get rid of it. Not being an expert, it took me 5 hours to put it back together (Russian military standard – 2 minutes or less). I stopped trying and it went together without a hitch, and I still don’t know how I did it. I’ve ordered a new firing pin from murraysguns.
    The 7.62 x 39 has similar power to the 30-30, but better ballistics downrange as it’s shaped like bullet, not the end of a finger.
    Here in New Zealand we are restricted to 5 round magazines only for centrefire (unless you pay to have a different category license and buy a much heavier/thicker walled safe). That’s OK, I can only afford occasional shoot ‘em ups.

    Last week I got a Norinco JW-25A, a copy of the Mauser KKW training rifle, in .22 calibre. Sweet rifle, a lot like my CZ 452, but a lot cooler and more “military” looking (and less the half the price). Will have fun in the range this year! Oh yes, you Yanks will have to smuggle these over the border if anyone in Canada has any left – I think they’re all sold out.

  20. avatarTom says:

    If you own an SKS you know how ridiculous this is. Don’t get me wrong they’re great reliable guns but an “evil cannon of a gun”?? What a FAIL. I guess you can expect such ignorance from a state with so many strict gun laws. The people who live there obviously no nothing about firearms. I’m just surprised they didn’t try to pass it off as one of those horrible, evil, big scary AK47s. The news usually refers to everything as an AK or an “assault rifle”. I think everybody on the planet knows what an AK looks like by now since they usually show a picture of one even if the gun in question was a flint lock musket.

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