Michael Moore: Suburban Gun Owners Are Racists by Robert Farago | Jan 21, 2011 | 37 comments facebook twitter linkedin email comments Ralph says: January 21, 2011 at 15:38 Amazing, isn’t it, that Michael Moore can read the minds of suburban gun owners? He’s gonna be totally pissed when he gets to reading mine. Reply JOE MATAFOME says: January 21, 2011 at 16:18 I can’t even begin to tell you how I feel about this fool, because if I did poor ole Robert would have to ban me from this site and I love it here. Reply KW says: January 21, 2011 at 16:36 Great example. Let’s examine it. They didn’t deter lynchings by banning rope, or creating ridiculous rope control laws that stopped the sale of rope over a certain thickness. Did they? But they sure could have because the right to keep and bear rope is not provided for by the constitution. That’s the line of reasoning taken by gun control advocates like this one who are stupid enough to shoot themselves in the foot with their own lesson. Give a guy enough rope (or microphone cord) and he’ll hang himself. Apparently MM, who is obviously a staunch advocate of the first amendment, thinks it’s ok to pick and choose which of those amendments should be followed in this country. It seems to be the ones that are most useful for him at the moment. And don’t ask what I’m so afraid of with my guns. I have so many that I’m not afraid of a damn thing. Reply Richard Linares says: January 21, 2011 at 16:59 People have gun live far safer place than people with out them. All one has do look any place where gun ownership restricted in USA like Washington, D.C. . Where muder rate crime rate much higher than other states. Reply Jeff says: January 21, 2011 at 18:46 What am I afraid of? This – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wc_SgpyJWRY I keep a gun so my business doesn’t go up in flames when the local police/sports team/whatever does something that people agree/disagree with. Reply Magoo says: January 21, 2011 at 21:32 Jeff, do you spend more than 10 seconds a week worrying about the possibility of this happening to you? If so, why? Surely you know you have any number of far better things to worry about. Riots are rather unusual events, fortunately. This is exactly the point Moore was making: that our fear of these potential events is all out of proportion to the actual threat. Something about this event pushes peoples’ buttons, and realistically, it can’t be the likelihood that it could actually occur, which is beyond remote. The odds of being struck by lightning are probably better. Crime paranoia does keep the gun industry and gun lobby humming, but how does it make us safer in real terms? Reply Robert Farago says: January 21, 2011 at 22:25 If Dr. Petit had had immediate access to a gun (home carry baby), his family might still be alive. That is the reality of that situation. The reason that gun owners prepare for something that will in all statistical likelihood never happen: the downside of NOT preparing is horrific. The urge to protect your most precious assets—with lethal force if needs be—is not unnatural or illogical. Sure, the practice creates plenty of plenty of collateral damage: suicides, negligent discharges, stolen guns ending up on the street, etc. But it also saves lives. Not often. But sometimes. Gun owners make the calculation and tool-up, as they are allowed to do under the United States Constitution. More than that, any society that treats adults like children—abridging their God-given right to self-defense for their own good—is a society that’s moving away from liberty. Just sayin’. Reply Buuurr says: January 22, 2011 at 01:14 “This is exactly the point Moore was making: that our fear of these potential events is all out of proportion to the actual threat. Something about this event pushes peoples’ buttons, and realistically, it can’t be the likelihood that it could actually occur, which is beyond remote. The odds of being struck by lightning are probably better. Crime paranoia does keep the gun industry and gun lobby humming, but how does it make us safer in real terms?” Its funny. If we replaced the topic we are talking about, gun ownership with another topic, lottery tickets there would be nothing but agreement. You play down ones rights to defend themselves (no matter what the chance of it is, I will be prepared for it) but see nothing wrong with one getting their hopes up on winning the big one. Isn’t the chance of winning the lottery a lot less then a home invasion? Isn’t the chance of gun violence a lot less then winning the lottery? Yet most would agree that they have to have their ticket for the big draw. I find it funny that when it comes to things that actually matter, family, home security, safety, protection and the maintaining of rights that many are so against it. I would also like to point out that many of those anti-gun advocates are lottery ticket holders. rita says: January 22, 2011 at 22:46 the chance of being the victim of crime (burglary, robbery, carjacking, rape, murder, home invasion…) is MUCH better than the chance of getting hit by lightning. i need a gun because i’m older, slower, smaller, weaker and less violent than the average criminal. Reply TTACer says: January 21, 2011 at 19:28 People who support gun control are racist. Reply Magoo says: January 21, 2011 at 20:09 Michael Moore did not call anyone a racist. He only pointed out that to a large degree, crime paranoia feeds upon race and class fears –which is indisputably true. You are free to look inside yourself and decide if this factor figures into your own personal obsession with firearms for defense. If not, great. Super. You are now free to move on to all the other possible motivations for it. Reply Ralph says: January 21, 2011 at 22:42 Magoo, why do you own guns? Reply Buuurr says: January 22, 2011 at 01:36 “Michael Moore did not call anyone a racist. He only pointed out that to a large degree, crime paranoia feeds upon race and class fears –which is indisputably true. You are free to look inside yourself and decide if this factor figures into your own personal obsession with firearms for defense. If not, great. Super. You are now free to move on to all the other possible motivations for it.” I don’t know about obsession with firearms for me. I moved from Canada about 2 years ago to the U.S. I never owned a gun besides the 410 my Dad gave me when I was eight. I will tell you that after reading the confidential police report that gets emailed to me by a friend that my decision to purchase a firearm was class AND race driven. I live in an area where there were 121 rapes with a firearm, 40 assaults with a firearm and 751 break ins in the past 28 days. The area I live in is poor, I am not poor. The area I live in is mostly black and the suspects are also mostly black. For me it isn’t racism that drives my owning a gun, it is a learned reaction to be ready for what comes and the adaptation needed to be ready and survive. Reply mikeb302000 says: January 23, 2011 at 07:22 Buuurr, I think you should move to a safer neighborhood. Reply Buuurr says: January 23, 2011 at 11:02 That’s your solution to crime and defending oneself? Move? And when I move and the crime moves with me what do I do? Hemmm? This has happened all through American history. In the ’90’s wealthy people moved to the burbs to get away from the crime of the city. Guess what?! Not much money in a city home to take. What does the crime do? It moves to the burbs. Get a clue, Dude. Joshua says: January 21, 2011 at 20:37 He’s crazy. “The vast majority of these guns are owned by people who live in… places where there are very few murders.” Which came first? High gun ownership or low crime? “Only 5 or 600 home invasion murders a year… but in a nation of 310 million people….” Why carry a gun? Ask those 5 or 600 people… their families… their friends… And why is it the “imaginary person” that’s going to break into my house? It’s the potential person… very different from imaginary. Bah! Knucklehead! I wish he was evil. Then I could hate him. I can only pity him since he’s an idiot. Reply Roy Hill says: January 21, 2011 at 21:24 Somehow, I typically manage to make it through my days without paying attention to anything said by Michael Moore. In fact, I actually tried to watch the video link that accompanied this post, but simply couldn’t go on after about 27 seconds or so. Why does anyone, especially in the firearms-owning community, pay any attention to what Moore says, especially after he got busted falsifying things via “creative film editing” in Bowling For Columbine? http://www.hardylaw.net/Truth_About_Bowling.html Reply JOE MATAFOME says: January 21, 2011 at 21:52 I hope this isn’t considered a “flame or flaming” or whatever you want to call it, but Magoo must have chosen this nic because he is BLIND to the reality of gun ownership. All gun owners are NOT paranoid or cowering in fear, we just refuse to be SHEEP led to the slaughter. Crime is also a reality that most people have never had to suffer, but it can’t hurt to be prepared. I’ll bet Magoo doesn’t need home or life or car insurance because he would just be wasting his time worrying about these facts of life. Please don’t ban me, cuz I tried to be as nice as I could and I just had to get in a couple of lil digs. P.S. Moore implied that these gun owners are racist, which the same thing. Reply James says: January 22, 2011 at 04:20 I bet if you snuck up behind Michael Moore and stuck him with something sharp, he would bleed pure beef gravy. Reply Mdanda says: January 22, 2011 at 09:04 In my neighborhood, the person most likely to illegally enter my home is the drugged up teenage son of the ultra high-achieving parents who hates the world and needs a thrill Reply AntiCitizenOne says: January 22, 2011 at 09:33 and? Reply Mdanda says: January 22, 2011 at 17:43 It happened to a friend of mine recently. The kid stole their iPhones and wallets and left. It was midnight and everyone slept through it. In this case, I fear more for the kid, because he had no idea just how dangerous it was for HIM, rather than the homeowner. Reply AntiCitizenOne says: January 22, 2011 at 20:14 Why would you “fear” for someone who has OBVIOUSLY broken the law? Buuurr says: January 23, 2011 at 11:06 Often times those breaking the law are too young and naive to know what they are getting into. I would have no issue in defending my home against such an offender. Although I would feel sorry for them and their stupidity in the end. I think this is what Mdanda is trying to say, at least what I got from it. JOE MATAFOME says: January 22, 2011 at 11:46 Anti is right on with “AND ?” That drugged up punk would probably kill your family. I’m sure he’s not breaking in for some cookies and milk. “AND” THEN WHAT WOULD YOU DO. Reply Buuurr says: January 23, 2011 at 11:07 I think Mdanda is trying to say that they fear for the persons doing something without a clue as to the fact that people, like those on this forum, WILL and DO defend what is rightly theirs. Reply Ralph says: January 22, 2011 at 12:12 Michael Moore was the fat kid in high school who got picked on and had his lunch money stolen. By the looks of him, he hasn’t missed a meal since. Reply mikeb302000 says: January 23, 2011 at 07:25 Joe Metafome said about gun ownership, “but it can’t hurt to be prepared.” The problem is it does hurt, Joe. You know very well that abuse of firearms does a lot of hurt, and abuse can come in many forms. So, it always gets down to the question of “do guns do more good than harm.” You know what I think. Reply Dogman says: January 23, 2011 at 10:16 Accept Michael Moore for what he is–a buffoon. His sole purpose is entertainment value. The only people who take his statements seriously are the ignorant and arrogant mainstream and left-of-mainstream news media. I didn’t even bother to watch the video since he is irrelevant to any serious discussion. Reply Buuurr says: January 23, 2011 at 11:21 Exactly. The guy sees things in the best possible light for his argument and then completely ignores the downside. I remember watching a ‘documentary’ he was doing about Americans and no healthcare. He was in Canada (my original country) and he was interviewing Canadians about healthcare. He would tell them first that he was American and that America does not have healthcare and then ask what they thought about it. The Canadians of course jumped on the old Canada is better because we have healthcare wagon. If he had not mentioned America or that he was American he would have gotten stories about how bad the healthcare is, the wait times and the malpractices that are rampant in the ‘free’ healthcare world. He would have gotten the story that Canadian taxes are ridiculously high in comparison to American and that the care isn’t even close to as good (I can vouch). I would compare the hospitals in Canada to have the tech and feel of any old school Russian state compared to American. As a Canadian I can honestly say that ‘free’ healthcare is a waste. It is used to keep smokers alive and addicts treated. That is where the bulk of Canadian tax dollars go. To those that have been trying to kill themselves their hold lives. I can’t say that having ‘free’ healthcare follow me to The United States of America makes me happy. Reply Magoo says: January 23, 2011 at 15:03 Joe Matafome writes: “I hope this isn’t considered a “flame or flaming” or whatever you want to call it, but Magoo must have chosen this nic because he is BLIND to the reality of gun ownership. All gun owners are NOT paranoid or cowering in fear, we just refuse to be SHEEP led to the slaughter.” Thanks for your views, Joe. I’m sure many gun owners aren’t paranoids. But an awful lot of them are. And they have changed the shooting world, too, and not for the better. A good percentage of the people on the gun scene today give me the creeps. Reply Buuurr says: January 23, 2011 at 15:32 “A good percentage of the people on the gun scene today give me the creeps.” How so? Reply Magoo says: January 23, 2011 at 17:59 Buuurr, when I was a kid the gun world was predominantly hunters, target shooters, outdoor sportsmen. If someone had shown up at our civilian range with a 31-round handgun magazine or anything even vaguely resembling a human silhouette target, everyone would take five giant steps away from him. Today all this Travis Bickle stuff is becoming the norm. And here is the really eye-opening part: Increasingly, the imaginary target on the paper is not a street criminal but the government. That’s beyond paranoid. That’s nuts from my perspective. Reply Buuurr says: January 24, 2011 at 11:25 Heh, I won’t argue any of your points. I grew up in that age group too. I grew up with targets in the yard and never to shoot anything living. For me it was about the outdoors and hunting as well. Things have changed though. Crime rates have soared, enforcement has failed. So people are doing what they think is needed. Some think it over a little too much, but others are just trying to be vigilant. What can you do? Reply Magoo says: January 24, 2011 at 15:17 Except that crime rates have not “soared.” They’ve been in significant decline for 20 years now. http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/uscrime.htm The first table is absolute numbers, while the second is per 100,000 population. Buuurr says: January 24, 2011 at 16:36 My apologies. I was referring to what I know. In the U.S. the crime is on the drop. Whether that holds true for cities or some, I don’t know. The Canadian crime rate is what I was referring to. Sorry, I should have stipulated. Robert says: August 16, 2011 at 16:54 That’s like saying. Look, you’ve fallen down many times on your bike, and you didn’t get any brain damage, why do you wear the helmet, what are you afraid of? Well maybe I didn’t get damaged because of the helmet, ever think of that fatass? Maybe these areas are safe because of law abiding citizens owning the guns and being able to defend themselves from criminals who own guns illegally anyway? Gun owners deter crime, criminals just go to areas where there are no guns, where the pickings are easier, where the sheep are more timid. Even NPR has an article on how states’ crime rates dropped after relaxing gun control. Learn2reason noobs. Reply Write a Comment Cancel reply Your email address will not be published. Required fields are marked *Comment Name * Email * Website Notify me of follow-up comments by email. Notify me of new posts by email.