Gun Review: Kel-Tec Sub-2000 .40

Last week, RF wondered if handgun-caliber carbines were destined to become the next home defense shotgun. He made the connection after firing the Kel-Tec Sub-2000 chambered in S&W .40 during my previous test of the the ArmaLite AR-10. RF was amazed at the Kel-Tec’s simplicity, low recoil and tremendous accuracy. While I’m not sure if his theory is an application too far for handgun caliber rifles, this much is true: the Kel-Tec Sub-200 is a breakthrough piece that offers a little something for everyone, and a lot of something for those who “get it.” Kel-Tec has hit another one out of the park.

How Swede It Is

Kel-Tec is yet another American firearms success story. After making his gun designer bones for foreign firms, Swede George Kellgren landed in the Sunshine State to work for Swedish subsidiary Intratec, makers of the infamous TEC-9. In 1991, Kellgren lived the dream, founding Kel-Tec CNC Industries in Cocoa Beach, FL. Since 1995, his baby’s been manufacturing small, affordable semi-auto pistols, expanding to carbines and rifles in 9mm, 40 S&W and 5.56mm (amongst others).

According to the ATF, Kel-Tec is now the third largest handgun maker in the US.

The Kel-Tec Sub2000 (or Sub2K) is Kellgren’s second attempt at the folding carbine concept. The company pulled the original Sub-9 folding carbine, introduced by Kel-Tec in the mid-90s, after only a few years. Cost, production and reliability concerns stunted sales and killed margins.

As its name implies, Kel-Tec introduced the replacement Sub2K carbine at the turn of the millennium as a “new-and-improved” version of the Sub-9. It’s equipped with a space age polymer receiver that requires significantly less tooling than the original steel version. Kellgren’s mob sent it to market with a significant reduction in the weapon’s price tag: about half of the former Sub-9’s $700-to-$800 price tag.

Kel-Tec’s designers kept the original’s Sub-9′s cheap(ish)-to-shoot 9mm parabellum chambering. The newbie Sub2K’s 16.1 inch barrel adds a lot of potency. Bullets head downrange like a scalded rabbit, delivering the impact of a hot .357 magnum round. Yet another appealing aspect of the design: it’s fed by a variety of popular hi-capacity pistol round magazines from Glock, Sig-Sauer, Beretta and Smith & Wesson.

The Sub-2K 9mm was an immediate success. With a price point of anywhere from $325-to-$375, it was hard to keep 9mm Sub2Ks on the shelves at most gun shops and their scarcity and long order waiting periods made them collectors items and a “cult gun” right from the get-go. Just take one to a range anywhere in the USA, unpack it and it’s only a matter of time before you get a gaggle of curious onlookers all wanting to check it out up close and personal.

What’s even more impressive: most folks can hit what they are aiming at with this folding carbine. A lot more so than they could with a handgun sporting a four or five-inch barrel chambered for the same round.

In the past decade, Kel-Tec’s manufactured thousands of these potent and portable little 9mm carbines. The original Sub2K was a companion piece to my Glock 17L, employing the G17 and G33 hi-cap mags. Over  eight years, I put 5,000+ rounds through the Kel-Tec’s tube with nary a hiccup. I eventually sold the gun to a friend who was looking for a reliable Home-D weapon, and waited for the more potent 40-cal version to arrive.

Nuts & Bolts

The Sub2K tips the scales at only four pounds, unloaded. It’s a blowback operated, semi-automatic firearm. Its operating spring is located within the tubular stock. The receiver is made of an impact modified glass reinforced Zytel. The front end houses a hinge block holding the barrel and the rear site. This block is securely locked in place by a swiveling trigger guard. The receiver rigidly attaches to the stock by multiple lugs. The bottom of the receiver forms the pistol grip, also accepting different magazines according to the version specified. The receiver also houses the firing mechanism.

The 4130 ordinance steel barrel has a spring loaded collar to ensure an accurate lock between the receiver and the polymer forend. The tubular steel stock contains the bolt and is terminated by the polymer butt stock. The heavy duty two-piece steel bolt holds the firing pin, the extractor and has the operating handle on the bottom. A captive guide recoil spring with buffer actuates the bolt.

The firing mechanism is a conventional single action. It has a positive disconnector: a push bolt safety that blocks the sear and disengages the trigger bar. The hardened steel ejector is internal. This design, with its long bolt travel, allows for smooth and simple operation and enhanced reliability.

Folding Money

The carbine’s main distinguishing characteristic: it folds in half. It’s an enormous advantage over other handgun-chambered carbines. In terms of storage, the Sub2K-40 doesn’t require a full-size gun case or gun safe. It’ll tuck away within easy reach for HD owners. You never knew how bulky your rifles were to transport until you put a Sub2K in your car’s trunk. And concealment? Let’s put it this way: don’t tell the bad guys.

The weapon breaks apart and pivots at the centerline. To fold, you pull downwards on the trigger guard and swing the barrel assembly back over the top of the carbine. A latch in the buttstock secures to the front sight housing. For added safety, you can lock the gun in the folded position. The Sub2K cannot be fired when folded.

Takedown for basic cleaning is simple. Just push out the stock pin about ¾ of the way until the buffer is free to be removed. Then pull the bolt back by the operating handle and catch the recoil spring. Pull the operating handle out and downwards from its recess in the bolt. The two-piece bolt slides out. You can separate the two bolt components for more efficient cleaning. Further disassembly is not required.

To reassemble, just reverse this process and make sure that you don’t have any extra parts lying on your workbench. Leave the hammer back and the safety on during the disassembly and reassembly process. I you do not follow this one simple rule, it will be very challenging to put the pieces back together again (sort of like Humpty-Dumpty).

Reach Out and Touch Someone

When sending rounds downrange, the 9mm Sub2K has an effective reach of over 100-yards. At distances up to approximately 50-yards, a standard 115-gr FMJ 9mm bullet approaches the muzzle velocity and impact energy of a .357 magnum round fired at point blank range. At 200-yards downrange, the Sub2K’s 9mm round’s velocity approximates that of a .380 Auto’s muzzle velocity.

The 40-cal version of the Sub2K is an even more potent carbine, sending a 180-gr projectile downrange at over 1,200 fps. That gives the 40-cal Sub2K a lot more knockdown punch than the 9mm version, approaching .41-magnum ballistics. With that 16.1-inch barrel and extended sight radius, most shooters can continue to pour rounds accurately into whatever target they are aiming at time after time at distances ranging from five-to-50 yards with minimal practice. It’s a “plus” weapon right out of the pizza box.

Let’s Dance

Having picked up a Parkerized version of the Sub2000-40G (Glock) earlier this year, I was anxious to get it sighted in and to see what she could do at the range. The good folks at Winchester supplied the ammunition for our field test. My plan: keep it simple, narrowing our 40 S&W loads to 100-rounds each of plain vanilla Winchester White Box 165-gr FMJTC, 180-gr FMJTC and 180-gr HP ammo, just like the economy-priced stuff you can get at Wal-Marts and your local gun shop.

The good news: after popping the caps on all 300-rounds, absolutely each and every one went “boom.” The Kel-Tec fed them reliably from a quartet of pre-ban G22 15-round hi-cap mags in my inventory. While all three flavors of 40-cal ammo produced decent groups at both 25 and 50-yards, the 180-gr FMJTC (full metal jacket truncated cone) seemed to produce the tightest groups—by a hair—over the other two competitors.

If you have some basic shooting skills, you should expect consistent 1.5-to-2 inch groups shooting offhand at 25-yards, and three to four inch groups at 50-yards. For a plinker that shoots pistol ammo with rudimentary sights (the front is adjustable for both windage and elevation) and folds in half, this is pretty good shooting. A LOT better than the average person could accomplish with a pistol shooting the same ammo.

Just for the heck of it, I entered an uber-competitive pistol carbine match at a local range a few months back (in June). I did the whole “run and gun” thing in the “factory stock” category, putting over 150-rounds down the tube during the five-stage match. Just like the earlier range session, the Kel-Tec Sub2K-40 did it’s thing with 100 percent reliability. the Sub2K-40 didn’t miss a beat, firing first time and every time with zero jams, malfunctions or problems of any kind.

I was mildly amused at the steel popper phase of the competition, where many of the 9mm shooters had to send multiple rounds downrange to knock down their targets, losing time and compromising their planned reload schedule. The Sub2K’s 40-cal ammo dropped the plates and poppers with a resounding metallic snap—further testimony to the potency of the 40 S&W round accelerated by a 16.1-inch barrel. If you hit it, it will fall.

When the smoke cleared, I placed in the upper third of the competitors—with an under $400 made-in-USA weapon.

Summary

The Kel-Tec Sub2K-40 is the perfect “companion” gun for .40-caliber Glocks, Beretta model 96, Sig-Sauer P226 and Smith & Wesson model 4006 40-cal pistols (whose mags match-up with the Kel-tec carbine). Just about everyone who shoots this handy little carbine for the first time loves it. Why wouldn’t they? It’s fun to shoot! Recoil is minimal while that 16.1-inch barrel assures phenomenal accuracy.

The gun’s light weight and fold-in-half portability make this carbine unique amongst its peer group. There’s nothing else like it on the market that can do the same things at the same affordable price. At $350-to-$375 retail with a lifetime warranty (to the original owner), you really can’t go wrong. AND you don’t need a pistol permit to buy it.

Whether or not the Kel-tec Sub-2000 in .40-caliber is the perfect Home-D gun is a question for another day. Judged by its own merits, what’s not to love?

SPECIFICATIONS:

Weight: 4 pounds
Length Open: 31 inches
Length Folded: 16.5 inches
Height Folded: 7 inches
Width: 2 inches
Barrel Length: 16.1 inches
Sight Radius: 14.5 inches
Magazine Capacity: 10 rounds, supplied (also uses hi-cap mags)

RATINGS (Out of FIve)

Style * * * *

Stylish it’s not. A Beretta CX4 has all the looks, But sometimes ugly is beautiful, especially when it’s functional.

Ergonomics (carry) * * * * 1/2

What’s not to like? It’s light at under four pounds, folds in half and you can hook up a single point sling to carry in under your arm.

Ergonomics (firing) * * * 1/2

It’s a little challenging to center the front sight with the somewhat poor cheek weld, but you’ll get used to it. Technically, tje front sight is “adjustable,” but it’s a real PITA. Very manageable recoil—way more than a 12-gauge and further reach too.

Reliability * * * * *

Shot everything I fed it, including steel case wolf, aluminum case CCI (not recommended) and 500-rds of Winchester 180-gr FMJTC and HPs.

Customize This * * * *

Kel-Tec makes an interesting assortment of aftermarket parts like a low-pro forend, stock extension, rail attachments, etc.

Overall Rating * * * * 1/2

It’s ugly, but it sure can shoot straight. The “perfect” SHTF weapon and survival tool, especially in hard hitting 40-cal.

81 Responses to Gun Review: Kel-Tec Sub-2000 .40

  1. avatarChris Dumm says:

    Wow! It's under $400, it reliably shoots cheap and readily available ammo, and it's accurate, lightweight and compact? As a defensive/survival carbine, this sounds almost perfect in my book.

    And (as if this gun weren't already a bargain) you wouldn't necessarily have to use premium defensive ammunition in it, although you'd probably want to. When a 180-grain, .40 inch bullet goes 1,200 feet per second it causes beaucoups of damage whether it expands or not. If you did splurge on the 180-grain JHPs, this gun could reliably (if not legally) harvest medium-sized game at close ranges. That's a defensive/survival carbine par excellance.

    Does the 9mm version accept Ruger magazines??? On the other hand, don't answer; my wife would kill me if I brought home *another* stray gun this year…

    • avatarCapt. John says:

      Chris-

      To my knowledge, the Kel-Tec Sub2K-40 only accepts Glock, Beretta, Sig-Sauer and S&W pistol mags (each is a different version of the carbine that must be ordered accordingly). As you so astutely observed, it is a "perfect" survival weapon that has more reach than your typical shotgun or pistol…but not as much as an AR-10 or AR-15. The folding stock is a major plus for portability and I like the 40-cal edition twice as much as my old 9mm flavor due to the additional downrange potential. Plus, the price is right and so is that great L/T warranty. It's a total "can't miss" if you need something a little stronger and straighter shooting than a handgun that shoots handgun ammo. Glad you found the article useful and informative.

      Regards,

      capt.john

    • avatarIdahoPete says:

      The only thing I would add to the review is a warning for those with a beard or long mustache: The bolt handle moving back and forth next to your cheek can grab your face fuzz and rip out a few chunks. The solution is a “beard guard”. Take a piece of fairly stout but flexible black plastic (a throw away paint-roller tray – trim size – works well), and cut out a shield-shaped piece to tape to the round buttstock tube. Use electricians tape in front of and behind the bolt handle opening, with the plastic shield on the “face side” of the tube. The shield will have two extensions [same size as the tube] front and back to tape to the tube, with a wider central portion in the middle to keep your fuzz out of the bolt op handle opening. Easier to figure out with a gun in hand than to describe.

  2. avatarkevin falvey says:

    Capt John

    Wow! Compact and with a punch ands accuracy at 50 yds. Would be perfect for security at home or aboard my boat.

    Question: no permit required to buy the gun but do I need a permit to buy the ammo?

    Kevin Falvey

    • avatarCapt. John says:

      Kevin-

      You can get the 40-cal ammo anywhere online and at most local retail outlets. The only place I've had a problem with getting 40-cal ammo is LI based Wal-Mart stores, who seem to have an inane policy of needing to see a pistol permit to buy it, even though it is for a carbine. In contrast, Dicks and Sports Authority don't seem to have a problem with it.

      capt.john

  3. avatarBrett Solomon says:

    Yet another winner from the Capt! I really want to go out and buy one soon.

    I can’t wait to meet up with him at our local stomping grounds next week for some new product testing and to alleviate a little stress from home improvement hell.

  4. avatarKen Matthews says:

    Very high tech.I though K-Tel made sound alike records.

    I wish I had the $s to play with those toys but as for now, I'll be counting on the Alabama National Guard, Baldwin County Sherriffs Dept., and USCG for my safety.

    I would like to play student again someday.

  5. avatarGR8GUY says:

    For the 9mm market, feed it +P or +P+ aLLLLLLLL DAY, 147gr. HP RANGER or HYDRA-SHOK's for MAX. IMPACT!! Destroys targets, makes a .357 look wimpy! YOW!! Needs a good RED DOT or HOLO optics system, tho. cant wait till they start shipping the new Picatinny Rail Forend. : )

  6. avatarJoshua says:

    I have a Sub2000 and I like it. I think it is a fun firearm.

    I would not trust it for shtf and feel like calling it the "perfect" shtf firearm is more than a stretch.

  7. avatarARYAN says:

    Want a SUB2000 on steroids? Military-grade tough! Boringly-accurate & reliable, but for not much more than the SUB2000 (all things considered)? Do urself a favor: Try the THUREON DEFENSE 9mm Carbine! [http://www.thureondefense.com/]

    I HAVE BOTH! Love the SUB2000 but the THUREON sits next to 'my' bed, hunter-ready! strictly FYI.

    • avatarnathan says:

      So I went and checked that link out. Two problems I see with that unit for SHTF.

      It does not fold for easy stashing

      It uses Uzi mags that are already expensive, AND they're modified at that. I'd rather have a carbine that took a standard hi-cap pistol mag that interchanged with my sidearm, than have to find unicorn rare Uzi mags and then cut them up or send them off at a cost of $15 a mag to the Thureon folks to be modified.

      And my last complaint, price, Thureon lists their 9mm at $659.99, the Kel-Tec can be had for much less, leaving money for ammo and magazines.

  8. avatarJohn says:

    I want one now!

  9. avatarJason says:

    Reply to “GR8GUY”

    The average Muzzle energy for the .357 magnums is around 550′s ft/lbs and can top out at over 750 ft/lbs

    There are no official specs for “+P+” and it is usually just used as a marketing gimmick. Tests have shown that many +P+ are actually weaker than good +P cartridges.

    The average energy for 9mm +P or +P+ is around 450 ft/lbs, even the hottest 9mm +P or +P+ was just over 500 ft/lbs which is not even close the average energy of all .357 magnums.

    So to say 9mm +p+ makes the .357 look wimpy is a VERY big exaggeration. I recommend, moving to 10mm if you want some good power in a semi-auto or moving the time tested and proven 75+ year old .357 magnum technology.

    By the way I am not saying the 9mm is a bad cartridge, it definitely has its place. They are great and fairly inexpensive for plinking and for people who cannot control a more powerful cartridge. Many people like myself believe a person should carry the cartridge with the most power they can comfortably control. If for you that is a 9mm then it is the best cartridge for you.

  10. avatarSteve says:

    While I’ll admit I’m not a huge fan of Kel-tec’s pistols, Kel-tec’s rifles are another story altogether. Being the owner of a 9mm Sub2000, and having owned a Kel-tec SU-16A, I can attest to the fact that they’re extremely reliable, surprisingly accurate, and easy to shoot well. Oh, and they’re fun, too! I can quickly pick off soda cans at 50 yards all day long, without hardly trying.

    It really is an almost perfect survival, home defense or “trunk” gun.

  11. avatarCUJO THE DOG OF WAR says:

    I have a love for all things Kel Tec, even their knives! I anxiously await their bullpup shotgun, and have a badass setup on my plr-16 that includes a green laser, back up red laser and a Blackhawk Gladius flashlight. Brownells has an excellent harmonic muzzle brake which makes life easier-be sure to use loctite as its vicious blast will loosen them up otherwise! I am on the fence over the sub 2000 or a Beretta carbine-I have a case of true NATO pressure 9mm +P+ JHP. I demand 100% reliability and want to KNOW which can handle the +P+ pounding. I grew up suffering NINE break ins as a kid and had my first shootout at 14 years old. I stopped an attempted home invasion during my first marriage with my Remington 870. It’s too late in the middle of the night to find out you bought the wrong weapon! Thanks for the review, knowledge shared is knowledge gained! Mike Perrine

  12. avataradam says:

    Hey I love this gun! Problem is I am only 18, so I can buy the gun but not the ammo in Colorado. Any suggestions?

    • avatarCUJO THE DOG OF WAR says:

      Brother, move down South!

      • avatarCUJO THE DOG OF WAR says:

        Honestly, I am not an expert, but I never heard of an under 21 suspect being arrested for only possessing pistol ammo. Do like I did as a young Marine and have a relative buy it.

  13. avatarsure go ahead says:

    Just spoke with a nice lady in Sales at the Kel-Tec factory. She says the Sub2000-9mm can take either Glock magazines or, with the installation of an appropriate magazine catch provided free of charge by the company, Beretta, S+W or Sig magazines. This means that if you purchased the Glock-mag variant, you can reconsider your decision and try some of those fine MagTech “18-rounds-in-a-15-round-size” products.

    • avatarCUJO THE DOG OF WAR says:

      Better yet-Pro Mag makes 18, 20 and 32 rounders in the 9mm Beretta flavor, and both Scherrer and Glock make 33 round 9mm mags. They are also slightly-barely-less capacity available in .40 S&W. I have 8 32-rounders for my Beretta 9mm Cx4 carbine-with the model 92 magazine option, not the Storm magazine option.

  14. avatarSaint Louis Shooter says:

    I purchased the Sub2000 9mm two weeks ago in the Glock mag version with two 33 round clips. The cost with two 33 round clips and the weapon was $457.63. After firing over 1500 rounds of “expired ammunition” in two weeks, the gun has never jammed or misfired. I bought this to have fun with and because the ammo is much cheaper to shoot than the 40 with fewer rounds of free ammo available. I can tell you, that if you decided to use the Sub2000 as a personal defense weapon in the 9mm, you can expect excellent accuracy with the cheap standard sighting. At 20 yards, you can barely see the remaining center of standard law enforcement bowling pin target after firing 33 rounds. If you like, it looks like the manufacturer sells a single rail attachment for the underside for light or laser. If you want to use this for personal home defense, buy the lower rail and a powerful light. If you want to have fun, spend the money for the new forend with rails ($100 upper and lower) and add whatever you want. The extended barrel on the 9mm is so much more powerful than a standard handgun round, that it easily compares to the 357 magnum handgun round at 25 yards, but the accuracy is phenomenal. I am sure the 40 will give you the same result if it is made the same. Either round is going to knock down a home intruder when the usual shot is less than 6 yards anyway, and usually within 10 feet.

    SLS

  15. avatarchuckufarley says:

    I bought a new 9mm Sub 2000 (Beretta) at a local gunshow in Augusta ,GA last year for $300 plus tax. I was so excited to be able to get one that I didn’t even ask about which mag it took. The first time I took it out I shot 100 rounds WWB ball (no hiccups), 100 rounds Remington UMC ball (1 stovepipe). After 7 stoppages in first 25 rounds of PMC 115 grain ball I stopped trying it. What a lot of fun. The gun is easily more accurate than I am. Barrel gets a little warm but nothing like 5.56 NATO. Recoil almost unnoticeable and I’m a wimp. Was using three factory Keltec 10 shot mags which fed perfectly. Thinking about a Leopold Deltapoint sight for it, but that costs more than the gun. I’ve ordered a Mec-Gar 20 round mag for a Beretta 92f. We’ll see how that works. Thanks for the review.

  16. avatarKevin says:

    I am considering the Sub 2000 and the Cx4. Why does the Cx4 cost twice as much as the Sub 2000 to purchase… $375 vs $780? Is it the quality of the steel (4130 vs 4140) or does one come with a chrome lined barrel and the other not?

    • avatarGT says:

      CX4 vs Sub2000 –

      Having owned both, I definitely prefer the CX4.

      The Sub2000 is crude, mine had a front sight housing that was offset… so I had to move the front blade all the way over to make it shoot straight. It looked even worse like this, but, in defense to the gun it does shoot straight.
      The plastic body on the Sub2k also feel cheap and there is no attention to detail, plastic edges are sharp there is no finish whatsoever. It’s a gun to go bang. It almost feels like a disposable gun. I do love the weight and folding ability though.

      The CX4 is quite the opposite. The plastic frame is thick everywhere. It’s polished presentation (it even has soft rubber pieces sandwiched between plastic parts to ensure no-snag areas). The sight are much nicer. The barrel is chrome-lined.

      Basically the CX4 is something you could show off and be proud of and twice the cost of the Sub2k which works but is very crude and ugly.

      Hope that helps.

  17. avatarJohn Gerdel says:

    I have one 9mm and one .40 of the SUB2000 with matching S&W pistols. Since I have tired eyes, 50-100 yards is all that I need. And they do that very well, thank you. If I need long-range, a scoped 30.06 fills the bill nicely.

  18. avatardennis heinz says:

    GHOST GUNS …
    Do these Kel Tec sub2k models actually exist ?
    Know one seems to have any and have not had any for months -
    Kel Tec seems to be only manufacturing a limited number of these guns and back orders are now off the chart, no one can get them. I am now seeing where dealers are pricing these weapons at $500 or more because of the price and demand situation, when and if they can get them. There are better weapons for less -

  19. avatarErick Guidry says:

    I just bought a KelTec S2K in 9mm Glock new for $300. The shop had a ton of them for that price. In 9mm and .40.

  20. avatarKevyn says:

    Which gun shop did you find it at? These things are impossible to locate around here…

  21. avatarDr.J says:

    In sniper mode with a bolt action I carry this 4 lb sub2000 9mm in a backpack for fire power out to 125 yards if our situation goes south. My spotter carrys a scoped FAL.

  22. avatareric says:

    There are some SUB2000 stock extensions on ebay. They are very hard to find. This is the only place that I have found them.

  23. avatarnewbie J.R. says:

    Ive always been interested in the ‘strange and unusual’ in the gun world but havent purchased my own yet (me and the misses didnt come of legal age until recently). Ive been shopping around for a good Home Defense/at the range with the guys gun and am heavily considering the s2k .40. Anybody have other weapons theyd like to weigh in with for consideration?

  24. avatarprivatespy says:

    Erick Guidry !! where did you purchase your S2K ???
    I relly want one too !!! I need the nme and location of the store … thanks

    • avatarSeantos says:

      DD’s Ranch in New York has .40 in stock. Just ordered mine last week. they said they had about 15. They also have California Compliant ones too. (i live in California; bullet button, stock extension, and 10 round mags).

  25. avatarMike H. says:

    I just purchased the .40 cal version at Shooter’s Supply in Loveland OH two days ago for $300 and then took it straight to the range. It worked perfectly and was a lot of fun! I just ordered the buffer cylinder, bolt tube cover and operating handle cover from http://www.tacticoolproducts.com and plan to install them today. Next, I’m putting the Kel Tec gen 2 quad rail forend on it with an Ultradot Pan AV red dot…..should be even more fun with these mods.

  26. avatarBlake says:

    I love shooting my 9mm version just picked it up bout a week ago for $200

    • avatarDave says:

      Blake, where did you find this for $200? I’m on the fence, but at $200ish that’s too cheap to not just give it a try.

  27. avatarNorm says:

    I recently purchased two new Kel Tec Sub 2000 9mm guns and matched them up with 33-round factory Glock magazines that my sons and I use regularly with our Glock 17s . Anyway, both Kel Tecs jammed frequently with the spent bullet casings.

    Any suggestions would be highly appreciated.

    • avatargunsmithlee says:

      Fresh out of the box my S2k wasn’t very reliable. I found it to feed more reliably the more rounds i put thru it. Seems like a good 500 rounds before it really started shooting. Not only that but the gun seems to like to run wet. A good dripping coat of SLiP 2000 EWL on the bolt seems to make a big difference.

      Also the gun seems to like heavier grain ammo. I recommend 147gr for 9mm and 180gr for 40sw.

    • avatarTerry says:

      Norm the reason your sub 2k is having that problem is because your using the korean version of mag which looks the same as the factory glock mag but with all the problems if you use the same mag in the glock handgun it will work but the mag sticks when you press the release…so order yourself a fatory glock mag and you problem will be solved…..

  28. avatarKen says:

    I bought my Sub 2K in 9mm S&W because I have a dozen S&W factory mags for my Mod 59. The dealer assured me that was the mag the gun was made for. My mags don’t lock in place. They fall out when you move the gun or fire it. I spoke to Kel-Tec, they said send it to them for a fix. I did and got the gun back WITH EXACTLY THE SAME PROBLEM! Obviously Kel-Tec can’t/won’t try to fix their problems. Anyone have a possible solution?

    • avatargunsmithlee says:

      Try a Beretta mag, however if for sure its a S&W 59 mag, don’t waste your time with ANY aftermarket mag.

      Probably wouldn’t hurt to see if a Glock magazine fits and feeds either…

  29. avatarLanny says:

    I have had my Sub2k 40G for a year or more, and until I started building ARs it was my truck gun. A very fun gun to shoot with, and to ‘trick out’. Mine now has an AR collapsible over the Sub2K tube a rail and a pressed-on A2 birdcage. I would love a 9mm barrel as I carry all Glock ‘flavors’. I’d love to see what the Sub2k could do in .357 SIG out of a 16″ barrel.

  30. avatarjim says:

    Just payed for my kel tec sub 2000 and the store told me i have to wait the atf put a delay on it, could it be i have purchased to many firearms in a short period of time? Well maybe we will see

  31. avatargunsmithlee says:

    Fresh out of the box I found the Kel-Tec S2K40 had a little more kick than I expected. At first the gun wasn’t very reliable. It seems to feed alot more reliably the more rounds I put thru it, and it likes lots of lube. Looks like after about a good 500rds it breaks in good, and run wet on Slip 2000 EWL lube. Also I found it favored heavier 180gr .40sw ammo.

  32. avatarSteve Tec says:

    I have First Edition Sub 2000 Glock version 40cal. that I acquired back in 2004. This ugly plastic thing is a GREAT plinker, it’s never jammed up or miss fed a round after 1000 rounds of all types of ammo.
    Just ordered a really cool 4 rail and Front sight setup from RED LION PRECISION.
    Check them out.
    Love my Sub 2000, get one if you can.

  33. avatarMHGinTN says:

    I did a mod up job on my KT 40 cal. Cut half of the plastic handguard off and mounted two ‘shotgun tri-rails and a quad rail in front. Allows for falshlight, laser and a vertical foregrip if I wanted one, which I don’t. Also bought and use a Remington rubber rifle buttpad which slips on and off easily and holds my little battery backups.

    The Korean hi cap Glock style mags will work in the gun nicely if you sand the sides down to allow the rounds to ‘spread the innards’. This is how the Glock mags work so reliably.

    • avatarR.T. Morse says:

      I’m having trouble with jambs with aftermarket hi-cap mags. When you said “sand the mags” do you mean actually take off enough material to make the “walls” thinner. Handsand, belt or sanding table? Hope to hear from you. R.T. Morse

  34. avataroCD says:

    Looking for accessories to trick out my Kel-Tec Sub2000 .40

    Got some, need some others.

  35. avatarEarl says:

    Ordered a .40 cal from Gander Mountain this past early April, and after checking today, 3 May, they indicated there was roughly a 9 month waiting period. When I placed the order in April, they initially indicated approximately a 2 to 3 month waiting period. What gives??? Do various regions of the country have a higher priority than others??? I would like to have this in my inventory especially since I am a deputy with the county sheriff’s office, and this would be a nice backup addition to our Glock 40′s. Any suggestions.

  36. avatarConnor says:

    Theh should make a .45acp version that takes glock or 1911 mags I’d buy that one, but I don’t like 9mm out of a handgun and I wouldn’t get anything besides this in 40 and I like to keep standardized ammunition.

  37. avatarNath camp says:

    Hello, my feed problem wa due to feed ramp bur, used sand round file and sand paper, now she feeds like extremly well.

  38. i am interested in kel tech sub 2000 40 cal availability and price abd catalog if available please email me back

  39. avatarNatalie says:

    i’d like to get a keltec sub2000 but some people say its not as good and others say its amazing…which side do i go with???? please help

  40. avatarNatalie says:

    i’d like to get a keltec sub2000 but some people say it isn’t as good and others say it’s amazing…which side do i go with???? please help

  41. avatarAnimorphs135 says:

    Still VERY new to the field of weapons; which is a better gun to search for, the 40 cal or the 9mm?

    • avatarDave says:

      I don’t think one is actually better than the other. It all depends on what you want. I had a Glock in .40 cal and stumbled across the S2K in .40 so I bought it. The 40 has more power and the ammo is a bit more costly than the 9 but what sold me was the fact my Glock mags would fit the S2K. Personally, I say, go for the power factor, you will be glad you did.

  42. avatarDave says:

    I recently bought the .40 cal version and have not had a lick of trouble with it. Though I have a MAK-90 for the home, the .40 cal is best for inside the home should I have to touch it off there. I found Remington 180 GN JHP flies real well but the S2K will eat just about anything I feed it. This carbine compliments my Model 35 Glock so the package will do for the WROL / SHTF situations.

  43. avatarKen says:

    I would love to find a Sub2000 in 9 MM that takes Glock mags. Can’t find one anywhere.

  44. avatarJerry Parks says:

    I can’t fine the keltec su2000 in Ky. Does anyone know where I can purchase one.

    • avatarDave says:

      I found a Kel Tec Sub 2000 .40 cal for $375.00 at B&B Pawn in Gadsden, Alabama. It was brand new hanging on the wall. Still there as of this writing, 9/16/12

  45. avatarDoc says:

    I’ve been trying to find a KEL TEC Sub 2000 9 mm since last April. Finally gave up ! A couple of days ago, I went into my local Gun Shop and I about passed out because on the counter was a New Sub 2000 40 Cal in the box . I asked “how long have you had this” ? I was told it had been in the store about 15 minutes and they had just marked the price and set it on the counter. I took it out of the box and then the other customers in the store came over to see what all the fuss was about. Needless to say I bought it. If I had not, the other customers would have. They are hard to find new and this was the 3 RD KEL TEC that the dealer has received in 15 months. The Dealer said he could have put it on the Internet for more money but would rather take care of his own customers first. The Dealer said that he had a bet with his co workers that the the first customer in the store that saw this Sub 200 would buy it. He was right because I did ! Am I excited ? You bet that I am.
    DOC

    • avatarDave G / Mak-90 says:

      Hey Doc.
      I think you will be pleasantly surprised with the performance of the Sub2K in .40 cal. I have read some guys have had problems until the guns are broken in, just don’t feed it Blazers with aluminum cartridges.

      For mine, I bought it used and have since put a lot of lead down range without a single issue. Mine has the Glock handle which takes 10, 15, 22 round magazines, couldn’t be happier.

      When it hits the fan, you will be able to bug out or survive in place without worrying about the S2K laying down on you. Even though it is a good little carbine I would suggest a back up. Any of the Glocks in the same caliber would be a good idea. I like that the magazines interchange, a Glock 22 or 35 Generation 3 is a very good back up. Take care. Dave

  46. avatarerik says:

    Would this rifle be considered a long gun or a handgun, for law purposes?

  47. avatarmartinconte says:

    Erik, this would be considered a “long gun” due to it’s 16 inch barrel.

  48. avatarOmega Dog says:

    Bought the 9mm version because it interesting. I keep it in my bug out bag with a Glock 17. Thousands of rounds and no hickups. Awesome gun. Easy 4 to 6 inch pattern at 100 yards. Looking for another to be a companion to my wifes Glock 26 in her bugout bag. Glock 17, Glock 26 and Sub2K can all use Glock 17 mags. Makes things real simple.

  49. avatarint19h says:

    One thing of note is that if you can find the version that takes S&W mags, it will also happily take CZ 75 mags – stock, MecGar, whatever. So if you want a carbine to pair with your CZ, this is it.

    Now finding one may be tricky (I’ve got mine used). However, the 92 and SIG versions can be easily converted to S&W. The most common Glock17 version is, unfortunately, not so convertible.

  50. avatarJoe Frykas says:

    It’s too bad these things go for $700 here in Canada… The price point in the states is what makes it attractive.

  51. avatarTexheim says:

    Glad yous didn’t explode on you like mine did….

    http://i1189.photobucket.com/albums/z424/Texheim/IMG_0779.jpg

  52. avatarJimmer says:

    The article says it best! The warranty is great. I had trouble with the feed ramp and they replaced the entire gun. Many rounds thru the new .40 S&W cal. no issues. Shoots straight and lot of fun. Great for back packers.

  53. avatarAlbaniaaaa says:

    Sucks that these are now going for 100-150 more than they were a couple years ago and they are hard as hell to find locally. Still plan on getting one in G22 40S&W, just waiting for a good deal.

    • avatarPudd'nHead Wilson says:

      What really sucks is that used ones are not hard to find but they are generally worthless because some shade tree parts changer that thinks he’s a gunsmith “polished the feed ramp” instead of just going through the normal 300-500 round break-in. I know a few guys that have bought used ones that were absolutely ruined due to the fine finishing work on the feed ramp that was unnecessary.

      I’d be glad to pay a little more for a NIB Keltec Sub2000 that uses Glock mags. Caliber doesn’t matter to me. The problem is, the ones on Gun Broker that are listed as NIB are really LNIB if you read the fine print. I mean does anyone really believe that “I opened it but never shot it. It’s been laying around for a couple of years so I’m selling it.” Hogwash if you ask me.

      I think they are damn nice guns for what they are. I’d gladly pay up to $600 for one that is really NIB and not been messed with. Hell if I could find them I’d buy one of each caliber.

      :-)

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