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	<title>Comments on: Will This Anti-Gun Second Amendment Argument Ever Die?</title>
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		<title>By: Moonshine7102</title>
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		<dc:creator>Moonshine7102</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Sep 2011 15:05:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ms. Fink has delusions of intellect.  Her statement, &quot;In any case, when guns are used by individuals to commit crimes, any militia they may belong to or are prepared to belong to is not very well-regulated&quot; conveniently ignores the fact that, by definition, criminals do not obey the law.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ms. Fink has delusions of intellect.  Her statement, &#8220;In any case, when guns are used by individuals to commit crimes, any militia they may belong to or are prepared to belong to is not very well-regulated&#8221; conveniently ignores the fact that, by definition, criminals do not obey the law.</p>
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		<title>By: amey lynn</title>
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		<dc:creator>amey lynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Sep 2011 14:58:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>guns are dangerouse, but we need them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>guns are dangerouse, but we need them.</p>
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		<title>By: SPURWING PLOVER</title>
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		<dc:creator>SPURWING PLOVER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Mar 2011 07:25:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I doubt if there ever will be a end to the antigun anti second a,endment arguments as long as the gun ban crowd has the lap dog press and talking dummieheads to listen to them and parrot their minldess drivel</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I doubt if there ever will be a end to the antigun anti second a,endment arguments as long as the gun ban crowd has the lap dog press and talking dummieheads to listen to them and parrot their minldess drivel</p>
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		<title>By: Read the PREAMBLE</title>
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		<dc:creator>Read the PREAMBLE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Aug 2010 06:32:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The First 10 Amendments to the Constitution as Ratified by the States December 15, 1791 
PREAMBLE Congress OF THE United States.
&quot;THE Conventions of a number of the States having at the time of their adopting the Constitution, expressed a desire, in order to prevent misconstruction or abuse of its powers, that further declaratory and restrictive clauses should be added: And as extending the ground of public confidence in the Government, will best insure the beneficent ends of its institution..&quot;

Amendment II &quot;A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.&quot;

[http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/bill_of_rights_transcript.html]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The First 10 Amendments to the Constitution as Ratified by the States December 15, 1791<br />
PREAMBLE Congress OF THE United States.<br />
&#8220;THE Conventions of a number of the States having at the time of their adopting the Constitution, expressed a desire, in order to prevent misconstruction or abuse of its powers, that further declaratory and restrictive clauses should be added: And as extending the ground of public confidence in the Government, will best insure the beneficent ends of its institution..&#8221;</p>
<p>Amendment II &#8220;A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.&#8221;</p>
<p>[http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/bill_of_rights_transcript.html]</p>
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		<title>By: Auntie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Auntie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Aug 2010 18:38:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ms Fink and many others, have their sights set on the wrong area.  Gun crime is not the issue of gun control.  The gun crime rate is higher in stiffly regulated communities than it is in less controlled communities. 

It is unfortunate that the bad apples in the basket, give every other gun owner a bad name.  It is a matter of interaction with an individual to teach them the proper use and respect of a firearm.  Be it for sports or hunting.  

I come from a rural community setting.  The only time you hear about deaths by a gun are generally from the media, speaking of drive by shootings, etc., etc.  The next you will hear, is of someone in such emotional despair over finances or a catastrophic illness, that has decided to end their own life.  Usually, the gun is the last resort in a suicidal situation.  They have most likely tried other ways first, but have failed or been found.  So, they are more determined, to overcome the interruption of what they think, they truly want to do to themselves, by utilizing a firearm.  They did it to themselves.

Now, also, coming from a rural setting, I have grown up around guns my entire life.  The old saying, &quot;Guns don&#039;t kill people, people kill people.&quot;, is so very correct.  Maybe it is because we are outside the big city limits and can look from abroad and see it.  When I was a child, I was told &quot;No&quot; for a reason.  So, if I was told not to touch a gun unless supervised by an adult, that&#039;s what I did.  Guns were used for hunting and sporting events.  However, if it meant that the same gun was going to be needed for protection from a home invader, it would be used.  The 2nd amendment rights were written for that very purpose.  As for Chicago&#039;s crime rate, they are no different than any other metropolitan crime rate.  It all boils down to parents interacting with their children.  Remaining an active influence on their lives.  You have to be a parent for the 1st 18 years of their life, then you can become friends.  Too many, try to be friends, rather than guide and teach valuable lessons on many things, including gun saftey and use.  

Ms Fink, take a better look at the picture around you.  You aren&#039;t seeing the core problem of your need to quelch constitutional rights, that we, and you, were born to.  And I have a few questions for you.  In all my 50+ years, I have never seen a gun sit up and shoot itself off at someone or something.  The only time I have ever seen a gun fire, is when there is another individual at the end of the trigger.  Have you?  So who are you really trying to control?  The guns or the people who shoot people with guns?  If you are trying to control the people who shoot people with guns, then the control begins at home with proper parenting and guidance.  It doesn&#039;t mean taking the right to own a gun away from the responsible individuals.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ms Fink and many others, have their sights set on the wrong area.  Gun crime is not the issue of gun control.  The gun crime rate is higher in stiffly regulated communities than it is in less controlled communities. </p>
<p>It is unfortunate that the bad apples in the basket, give every other gun owner a bad name.  It is a matter of interaction with an individual to teach them the proper use and respect of a firearm.  Be it for sports or hunting.  </p>
<p>I come from a rural community setting.  The only time you hear about deaths by a gun are generally from the media, speaking of drive by shootings, etc., etc.  The next you will hear, is of someone in such emotional despair over finances or a catastrophic illness, that has decided to end their own life.  Usually, the gun is the last resort in a suicidal situation.  They have most likely tried other ways first, but have failed or been found.  So, they are more determined, to overcome the interruption of what they think, they truly want to do to themselves, by utilizing a firearm.  They did it to themselves.</p>
<p>Now, also, coming from a rural setting, I have grown up around guns my entire life.  The old saying, &#8220;Guns don&#8217;t kill people, people kill people.&#8221;, is so very correct.  Maybe it is because we are outside the big city limits and can look from abroad and see it.  When I was a child, I was told &#8220;No&#8221; for a reason.  So, if I was told not to touch a gun unless supervised by an adult, that&#8217;s what I did.  Guns were used for hunting and sporting events.  However, if it meant that the same gun was going to be needed for protection from a home invader, it would be used.  The 2nd amendment rights were written for that very purpose.  As for Chicago&#8217;s crime rate, they are no different than any other metropolitan crime rate.  It all boils down to parents interacting with their children.  Remaining an active influence on their lives.  You have to be a parent for the 1st 18 years of their life, then you can become friends.  Too many, try to be friends, rather than guide and teach valuable lessons on many things, including gun saftey and use.  </p>
<p>Ms Fink, take a better look at the picture around you.  You aren&#8217;t seeing the core problem of your need to quelch constitutional rights, that we, and you, were born to.  And I have a few questions for you.  In all my 50+ years, I have never seen a gun sit up and shoot itself off at someone or something.  The only time I have ever seen a gun fire, is when there is another individual at the end of the trigger.  Have you?  So who are you really trying to control?  The guns or the people who shoot people with guns?  If you are trying to control the people who shoot people with guns, then the control begins at home with proper parenting and guidance.  It doesn&#8217;t mean taking the right to own a gun away from the responsible individuals.</p>
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		<title>By: Leif Rakur</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leif Rakur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Aug 2010 18:08:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To Roy:
I think you must count all 30,000 yearly American gunfire deaths as real gunfire deaths.  No one can know how many would have died anyway, even without the presence of a gun.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Roy:<br />
I think you must count all 30,000 yearly American gunfire deaths as real gunfire deaths.  No one can know how many would have died anyway, even without the presence of a gun.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Aug 2010 01:32:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WHEN! The government inflates the dollar out of existence. The National Guard will not have any money to supply weapons and training to anyone. It will be God fearing families that will form the militia. It will be small groups of patriots that fight back the progressive, Marxists, elitists scum. It will be those of us who love the freedoms that the constitution secured for us who will return this nation back into a constitutional republic. For those of you who hate the constitution. BEWARE! There are more of us than there are of you! </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WHEN! The government inflates the dollar out of existence. The National Guard will not have any money to supply weapons and training to anyone. It will be God fearing families that will form the militia. It will be small groups of patriots that fight back the progressive, Marxists, elitists scum. It will be those of us who love the freedoms that the constitution secured for us who will return this nation back into a constitutional republic. For those of you who hate the constitution. BEWARE! There are more of us than there are of you!</p>
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		<title>By: yaba</title>
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		<dc:creator>yaba</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Aug 2010 00:45:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The National guard was intended to replace state militias but something happened on the way to the replacement. They didn&#039;t replace them. Deliberately so if I recall the federal statute in question. To say nothing of the Constitutional intents.

But that doesn&#039;t fit their wish list or conform to their desires for the rest of us. We should just let them run everything right now and forevermore!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The National guard was intended to replace state militias but something happened on the way to the replacement. They didn&#8217;t replace them. Deliberately so if I recall the federal statute in question. To say nothing of the Constitutional intents.</p>
<p>But that doesn&#8217;t fit their wish list or conform to their desires for the rest of us. We should just let them run everything right now and forevermore!</p>
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		<title>By: Luis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Luis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jul 2010 21:58:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;We can contend with the evil that men do in the name of evil, but heaven protect us from what they do in the name of good&quot;.

Richard Boone as &quot;Paladin&quot; quoting Erodius.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;We can contend with the evil that men do in the name of evil, but heaven protect us from what they do in the name of good&#8221;.</p>
<p>Richard Boone as &#8220;Paladin&#8221; quoting Erodius.</p>
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		<title>By: Roy Hill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roy Hill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jul 2010 21:25:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Leif Rakur, just a little math for you. 
 
Yes, about 30,000 Americans die by gunfire every year. 
 
Typically, at least half of those are suicides. All the reputable psychological stuff I&#039;ve read says that folks determined to kill themselves will do it, no matter what. 
 
Japan has hardly any civilian gun ownership, yet they manage to have a lot more suicides than the US does. 
 
Okay, so 30K, minus about 15K suicides leaves about 15K. 
 
That 15,000 includes all people who die from gunfire, period. 
 
That includes criminals killed by other criminals (translate gangbangers involved in gang wars, drug trafficking, etc), criminals killed by police, criminals killed by civilians, civilians murdered by criminals, accidents, etc. etc. 
 
That&#039;s in a country with 350 million people, and at the most conservative estimate, around 100 million guns. 
 
Let&#039;s say that a separate gun is used to kill each and every person who dies from any type of gunfire, accident, crime, shot by police while committing a crime, etc. 
 
Now that is far from the truth, but just for the sake of argument, let&#039;s use it as  number, shall we?  
 
That means every single year in the United States, .00008571 of the population dies from gunshots that come from .0003 of the guns in the country. 
 
And I&#039;m having to make a leap here, as neither the calculator on my computer, nor the calculator on my desk will let me put enough zeros in to use the numbers 350 million and 100 million. 
 
I&#039;m dividing 30,000 by 350 million for the number killed, and 30,000 by 100 million for the total number of guns used, which is a total stretch, but just to illustrate the point. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Leif Rakur, just a little math for you.</p>
<p>Yes, about 30,000 Americans die by gunfire every year.</p>
<p>Typically, at least half of those are suicides. All the reputable psychological stuff I&#039;ve read says that folks determined to kill themselves will do it, no matter what.</p>
<p>Japan has hardly any civilian gun ownership, yet they manage to have a lot more suicides than the US does.</p>
<p>Okay, so 30K, minus about 15K suicides leaves about 15K.</p>
<p>That 15,000 includes all people who die from gunfire, period.</p>
<p>That includes criminals killed by other criminals (translate gangbangers involved in gang wars, drug trafficking, etc), criminals killed by police, criminals killed by civilians, civilians murdered by criminals, accidents, etc. etc.</p>
<p>That&#039;s in a country with 350 million people, and at the most conservative estimate, around 100 million guns.</p>
<p>Let&#039;s say that a separate gun is used to kill each and every person who dies from any type of gunfire, accident, crime, shot by police while committing a crime, etc.</p>
<p>Now that is far from the truth, but just for the sake of argument, let&#039;s use it as  number, shall we? </p>
<p>That means every single year in the United States, .00008571 of the population dies from gunshots that come from .0003 of the guns in the country.</p>
<p>And I&#039;m having to make a leap here, as neither the calculator on my computer, nor the calculator on my desk will let me put enough zeros in to use the numbers 350 million and 100 million.</p>
<p>I&#039;m dividing 30,000 by 350 million for the number killed, and 30,000 by 100 million for the total number of guns used, which is a total stretch, but just to illustrate the point.</p>
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